The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

[WilliamK99]

Hold your horses. Just because this film isn't going to make a billion dollars doesn't mean Sony is going to sell back the rights. It will still make around 700 mil which is very good. It may not make enough to cover it's inflated budget, but then hopefully Sony realizes not to spend so much dough on advertising.

Sony has bigger issues than this...Studio is falling apart at the seams and is hemorrhaging money...Quickest way to fix this is pull a Paramount and get paid for future movies without investing a dime...

 

[ares834]

Sony will be okay if they learn their less for TASM3. If they have a repeat of TASM2 then they are in trouble, especially since the third may just gross a lot less than this movie.

Good point. I completely forgot about the effect the negative reception of ASM2 could have on ASM3.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Here's the problem: if Disney/Marvel buys the film rights to Spider-Man, would that be the best business decision? Would spending a billion to buy the character rights back actually make them profit more? I think the only way Spider-Man is going back to Marvel/Disney is if the rights expire like with Daredevil.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Good point. I completely forgot about the effect the negative reception of ASM2 could have on ASM3.

But then comes another issue... if people have lower expectations for TASM3, Sony is going to have to go all out again and really make sure the movie looks good. They should just make a couple of really good theatrical trailers and stop with all of the other excessive marketing gimmicks to save money.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Sony will be okay if they learn their less for TASM3. If they have a repeat of TASM2 then they are in trouble, especially since the third may just gross a lot less than this movie.

They learned nothing from TASM. Hence why TASM2 takes everything that was bad last time, and amplified it. I have no doubt the next one will be a giant dose of mediocrity as well. Webb's not a great CBM director. Plain and simple.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well I actually thought he did very well with TASM1, but I don't think he had as much say in the sequel as I initially thought. Felt like a CBM made by studio heads if that makes any sense.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If TASM2 cost 250mil why wouldn't the Sinister Six film cost at least around 275-300mil? And after they spend that much they will probably spend close to 200mil marketing it and it won't make Spider-Man money so it would be a bad business decision. I just do not see that film happening and I agree with Tymminator that both spin-offs sound like awful ideas.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well I actually thought he did very well with TASM1, but I don't think he had as much say in the sequel as I initially thought. Felt like a CBM made by studio heads if that makes any sense.

I felt his stamp most definitely. Hence the large portions of the film that have no action and meander into more like a romance film with the jilted additions of a bad villain and an underdeveloped/used villain. Webb helped crap this one from the beginning. He was there from draft 1 til the shooting script. He no doubt had more say on this film, IMO. I blame him, the producers, and the writers for this movie's end product. I know I am hard on TASM (despite the fact I liked it), but this movie is hard to defend. No way this shouldn't have been more epic.

 

[WilliamK99]

If TASM2 cost 250mil why wouldn't the Sinister Six film cost at least around 275-300mil? And after they spend that much they will probably spend close to 200mil marketing it and it won't make Spider-Man money so it would be a bad business decision. I just do not see that film happening and I agree with Tymminator that both spin-offs sound like awful ideas.

Sony is trying to create a cinematic universe, where none should exist...Don't see this working out for them at all, especially if ASM 3 pulls less numbers than ASM2...

Rebooting every 10 years isn't going to work either...

 

[Picard Sisko]

If TASM2 cost 250mil why wouldn't the Sinister Six film cost at least around 275-300mil? And after they spend that much they will probably spend close to 200mil marketing it and it won't make Spider-Man money so it would be a bad business decision. I just do not see that film happening and I agree with Tymminator that both spin-offs sound like awful ideas.

If sony continues to go in this direction then Spider-Man will no longer be profitable for them.

I felt his stamp most definitely. Hence the large portions of the film that have no action and meander into more like a romance film with the jilted additions of a bad villain and an underdeveloped/used villain. Webb helped crap this one from the beginning. He was there from draft 1 til the shooting script. He no doubt had more say on this film, IMO. I blame him, the producers, and the writers for this movie's end product. I know I am hard on TASM (despite the fact I liked it), but this movie is hard to defend. No way this shouldn't have been more epic.

It didn't really feel like a "WEBB" film though. It felt like Webb had his stamp but it didn't mix well with both studio demands and Orci/Kurtzman writing the script. T

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sony is trying to create a cinematic universe, where none should exist...Don't see this working out for them at all, especially if ASM 3 pulls less numbers than ASM2...

Rebooting every 10 years isn't going to work either...

Sony can't wait 10 years.

If they wait beyond 5 they lose the rights.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Sony can't afford to wait more than a year or two to make a Spider-Man film. That's why they want to start releasing one per year starting with TASM3.

 

[WilliamK99]

Sony can't wait 10 years.

If they wait beyond 5 they lose the rights.

Do you think there is a point where Sony could do permanent damage to the character by releasing crap film after crap film?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

They learned nothing from TASM. Hence why TASM2 takes everything that was bad last time, and amplified it. I have no doubt the next one will be a giant dose of mediocrity as well. Webb's not a great CBM director. Plain and simple.

They were trying to take the better elements from SM 1-3 and ASM1.

The combination resulted in an uneven movie.

They were trying to recapture the Raimi audience and that sounds like a studio decision.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Do you think there is a point where Sony could do permanent damage to the character by releasing crap film after crap film?

Yes and no. Let's assume the movies get REALLY bad and audiences get sick of him. Then Disney buys the rights and makes their own Spider-Man film, and it's REALLY good. I think at that point the character could easily be revived with a really good movie. Sort of like the transition from B&R to Batman Begins, followed by TDK.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They were trying to take the better elements from SM 1-3 and ASM1.

The combination resulted in an uneven movie.

They were trying to recapture the Raimi audience and that sounds like a studio decision.

I don't think trying to regain the Raimi audience was the issue. The issue was it forced in too many stories into the narrative and gave us an awful villain that should NEVER have been allowed to be filmed with that type of material. Say what you will about the crowding and such, but he helped craft this version of Electro. If this is the best Webb could come up with when crafting the story with the writer's, he has a bad sense of story.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Do you think there is a point where Sony could do permanent damage to the character by releasing crap film after crap film?

I don't think it's possible to do permanent damage to a character.

If Batman can recover from Adam West and Joel Schumacher, Spider-man can recover from mediocre SM films.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think there would just need to be a small break after the sony films (if Disney ever received the film rights). Maybe start Spider-Man off by featuring him in another MCU movie and then giving him his own feature film?

 

[Leenie]

I don't think it's possible to do permanent damage to a character.

If Batman can recover from Adam West and Joel Schumacher, Spider-man can recover from mediocre SM films.

Adam West actually saved Batman in mainstream relevance ...

I'm weary about Spider-Man right now, because it looks like Superman hasn't really recovered. Superman II was his last unanimously good film ... Which was 34 years ago.

 

[Tymminator]

If TASM2 cost 250mil why wouldn't the Sinister Six film cost at least around 275-300mil? And after they spend that much they will probably spend close to 200mil marketing it and it won't make Spider-Man money so it would be a bad business decision. I just do not see that film happening and I agree with Tymminator that both spin-offs sound like awful ideas.

 

[Raiden]

I also don't see why GA would be interested in a couple of spinoff movies with villains as the "stars" and no Spidey himself. Seems like a recipe for disaster.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I also don't see why GA would be interested in a couple of spinoff movies with villains as the "stars" and no Spidey himself. Seems like a recipe for disaster.

Well I don't think that the Sinister Six film wouldn't have Spider-Man in it. He just wouldn't be the lead I suppose.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I don't think trying to regain the Raimi audience was the issue. The issue was it forced in too many stories into the narrative and gave us an awful villain that should NEVER have been allowed to be filmed with that type of material. Say what you will about the crowding and such, but he helped craft this version of Electro. If this is the best Webb could come up with when crafting the story with the writer's, he has a bad sense of story.

I'm not ready to throw Marc Webb under the bus just yet but I readily concede he's better at depicting the good guys than he is co-creating the villains.

His take on Spider-man villains seem like hack jobs in almost every instance.

Raimi may have botched the Green Goblins and Venom in certain ways but people love his Dr. Ock and Sandman so much he earns a free pass.

Webb needs a home run villain. Too many strike outs is why he can't winover enough detractors.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I felt his stamp most definitely. Hence the large portions of the film that have no action and meander into more like a romance film with the jilted additions of a bad villain and an underdeveloped/used villain. Webb helped crap this one from the beginning. He was there from draft 1 til the shooting script. He no doubt had more say on this film, IMO. I blame him, the producers, and the writers for this movie's end product. I know I am hard on TASM (despite the fact I liked it), but this movie is hard to defend. No way this shouldn't have been more epic.

After thinking about the movie more and not being wowed much by this franchise 2 movies I am definitely thinking Webb is part of the problem and not the solution. After seeing the movie I felt nothing, but after thinking about it the next few days it got a lot better in my head, but then I started remembering all of the bad points a few days later.

I am going to see the movie a 2nd time because TASM1 improved a lot for me on repeat viewings so I am hoping the same happens for the sequel, but at this point I think my rating may go lower.

I think both movies have seemed unfocused, and I think Webb dropping story points halfway through the production of both movies (TASM 1 was originally going to tell the whole story of Peters parents, then they decided halfway through it was going to be told over the trilogy, the MJ thing for TASM2) are a big reason for that. I think Webb's unfocused with these stories and it shows in the movies.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not ready to throw Marc Webb under the bus just yet but I readily concede he's better at depicting the good guys than he is co-creating the villains.

His take on Spider-man villains seem like hack jobs in almost every instance.

Raimi may have botched the Green Goblins and Venom in certain ways but people love his Dr. Ock and Sandman so much he earns a free pass.

Webb needs a home run villain. Too many strike outs is why he can't winover enough detractors.

Agreed, and the indication is we will get the SS possibly next film! Based on his current record with villains, I don't see him doing well with them. Especially if he has to juggle 6 of them!

After thinking about the movie more and not being wowed much by this franchise 2 movies I am definitely thinking Webb is part of the problem and not the solution. After seeing the movie I felt nothing, but after thinking about it the next few days it got a lot better in my head, but then I started remembering all of the bad points a few days later.

I am going to see the movie a 2nd time because TASM1 improved a lot for me on repeat viewings so I am hoping the same happens for the sequel, but at this point I think my rating may go lower.

I think both movies have seemed unfocused, and I think Webb dropping story points halfway through the production of both movies (TASM 1 was originally going to tell the whole story of Peters parents, then they decided halfway through it was going to be told over the trilogy, the MJ thing for TASM2) are a big reason for that. I think Webb's unfocused with these stories and it shows in the movies.

Agreed. These films have the same issues, and ultimately, the buck stops with the director. I don't think it is ALL his fault, but I certainly think he is part of the problem. This series needs a tremendous overall in creative talent.