The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Silver Surfer]

CBM fatigue excuse? LOL now I know this movie is a failure.

 

[daddydivine]

I think it's more down to francise fatigue and CBM fatigue which will only get worse. Could probably do with a break.

Didn't Cap 2 increase its box office take by like a 1000% from Cap 1? Maybe you mean mediocre superhero movie fatigue?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

There is no comicbook movie fatigue. The Not So Amazing Spider-Man 2 is still going to make over 700mil and so is Winter Soldier and I'd be surprised if X-Men missed 600+mil worldwide.

 

[Visualiza]

Didn't Cap 2 increase its box office take by like a 1000% from Cap 1? Maybe you mean mediocre superhero movie fatigue?

That's what I'm thinking. The crowds will turn up in droves if the movie gives them a compelling reason to do so. Cap 2 continues to prove that, as have a myriad of these movies in the last 15 years or so.

This franchise fatigue thing is a myth. Resident Evil hasn't even reached that point. Harry Potter never did either.

 

[daddydivine]

That's what I'm thinking. The crowds will turn up in droves if the movie gives them a compelling reason to do so. Cap 2 continues to prove that, as have a myriad of these movies in the last 15 years or so.

This franchise fatigue thing is a myth. Resident Evil hasn't even reached that point. Harry Potter never did either.

I honestly believe comic book adaptions will become their own genre instead of being put in the Scifi category. And kids a few years down the line will treat the movies like any other genre. (which only suffers from fatigue when you have a series of failing movies in one year.)

 

[Spiderine]

The MCU is offering movie goers something fresh and new and never been done before. An entire universe of characters that are in continuity with each other. Thats a major factor in their success and it started with Robert Downey's take on Stark. Fans loved it. They now had a foundation.

Nolan gave us back the Batman we lost years ago. And fans couldn't wait to see the Joker again and it delivered.

What has everyone else offered in terms of something fresh and original? Something audiences were wanting to see again? Even Xmen has declined. I think DOFP can do well but Xmen not giving u a billion dollar movie.

Sony is more interested in a Spideyverse. Its obvious. WB will try to sell us a rushed JL movie in a Superman sequel. And I have my doubts. FF has failure written on it. Call it what u want, but audiences are responding in declining numbers for these other films.

 

[thomass]

I'd say Raimi/Maguire is basically an automatic win over Webb/Garfield now, if we're actually looking at this from an objective standpoint.

These films aren't getting worse reviews and not doing as well at the box office by magic/coincidence.

People have become far too revisionist about Raimi/Maguire just because of Spider-Man 3 without actually thinking about the studio interference and the general making of that film. Have we all just forgotten that those films were, at the very least, great in their time? I myself would say they're still both great now, and certainly better than the drivel that Webb/Garfield have produced, but yeah.

Starting a post with a subjective opinion and then saying its from an objective standpoint. Hmmmm...

 

[JC00]

cbm fatigue is such a hilarious myth.

You expect me to believe that somehow people are so fatigued from going to the movies every so often to be entertained?

For example this year between April and August, 4 cbm will have been released. Yet these cbm fatigue believers think that people are going to get fatigued that they won't spending 8 hours in 4-5 months to go be entertained.

Do these people also believe in TV show or sports fatigue too?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think it has to do with the villain factor. Most heroes outside of Batman, Spider-man, and maybe Superman don't have a great rogues gallery that would work on screen. Bond is always fighting the same egomaniac that wants to take over the world, but the writers don't feel tied to the books anymore.

No, he doesn't. Only very rarely and mainly in the campiest Roger Moore films.

 

[BlackFox]

cbm fatigue is such a hilarious myth.

You expect me to believe that somehow people are so fatigued from going to the movies every so often to be entertained?

For example this year between April and August, 4 cbm will have been released. Yet these cbm fatigue believers think that people are going to get fatigued that they won't spending 8 hours in 4-5 months to go be entertained.

Do these people also believe in TV show or sports fatigue too?

QFT

If people like something they will go and watch it, as long as its good enough or they will just skip the next installment if not.

Rom-coms have been around far longer than CBM's, surely that bubble has to burst first and it doesnt look like happening, because its not going to happen.

 

[Visualiza]

No, he doesn't. Only very rarely and mainly in the campiest Roger Moore films.

Hey, HEY! You watch your mouth!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Hey, HEY! You watch your mouth!

Well, it's true. The main films where it happens are The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, and to a certain extent, Octopussy. Although in the latter case, it is the Soviet Union he wants to rule the world and not himself personally. In TSWLM and Moonraker, it still really isn't played entirely straight. In both cases the villain thinks that humanity has become too corrupt and decadent and basically wants to wipe out civilization so a new one can be formed under the sea/repopulated from outer space.

Most Bond villains just want to get rich(er).

 

[def28]

cbm fatigue is such a hilarious myth.

Agreed.

 

[GenUsername]

QFT

If people like something they will go and watch it, as long as its good enough or they will just skip the next installment if not.

Rom-coms have been around far longer than CBM's, surely that bubble has to burst first and it doesnt look like happening, because its not going to happen.

RomComs are the worst example you could have used. The amount of RomComs produced by major studios has drastically declined in the last 6 years. And they rarely pull impressive grosses, normally there would only be one standout per year nowadays. This year there may be 2 though

 

[Visualiza]

Well, it's true. The main films where it happens are The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, and to a certain extent, Octopussy. Although in the latter case, it is the Soviet Union he wants to rule the world and not himself personally. In TSWLM and Moonraker, it still really isn't played entirely straight. In both cases the villain thinks that humanity has become too corrupt and decadent and basically wants to wipe out civilization so a new one can be formed under the sea/repopulated from outer space.

Most Bond villains just want to get rich(er).

Oh I know, I was kidding. All those old Bond flicks occupy a special place for me all the same; I'm a sucker for them.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Oh I know, I was kidding. All those old Bond flicks occupy a special place for me all the same; I'm a sucker for them.

Me too. I like Roger Moore. TSWLM and For Your Eyes Only are two of my very favorite Bond films, and even the bad ones he did are entertaining.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Me too. I like Roger Moore. TSWLM and For Your Eyes Only are two of my very favorite Bond films, and even the bad ones he did are entertaining.

I love almost every Bond film for one reason or another! Whether it be they're legitmately good, or they're funny bad!

Connery era is probably still my favorite. Though I love Casino Royale and Skyfall was well.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The Connery era was the best for sure, but he was also in the one Bond film I actually don't enjoy, Diamonds Are Forever. That's the one that bores me. It is campy like the Moore films, but Connery is phoning in his performance so it lacks the energy and excitement of the Moore years. Moonraker might be stupid, but it sure isn't boring.

The first six Bond films are all great.

 

[jmc]

The problem is with the fact that no one cared to think things through. For the studio, they see a superhero and the only thing that comes to mind is money. They can't be bothered with a long-term plan because they really don't think the properties are anything but "origin, then keep adding bad guys to make each movie seem cooler." Before the FIRST Spider-Man film was shot, they should have had a rough idea for Spider-Man 10. It isn't like the character is a fad that will go away in 5 years. Had they cared to properly develop the story, we'd have a Spider-Man 5 right now that makes sense.

They are thinking long term, that's the problem. People keep subscribing to this theory that a plan has to be in place, in actual fact what needs to happen is full concentration needs to be placed on the film that's being made at present. This is the current problem for not just Spider-Man but superhero films in general over the last 5 or so years.

 

[Nardz937]

For a Spider-Man movie to make under 100 million on it's opening weekend is pretty bad.

Spider-Man 1 which came out 12 years ago made nearly 115 million on it's opening weekend and that was back there was no expensive 3D tickets and general tickets were cheaper.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love almost every Bond film for one reason or another! Whether it be they're legitmately good, or they're funny bad!

Connery era is probably still my favorite. Though I love Casino Royale and Skyfall was well.

I can watch the hell out of Connery's first four, OHMSS and Craig's films. The rest I can watch too varying degrees. Casino Royale and Skyfall are my favorites by quite the margin.

 

[Heretic]

There's no such thing as comic book movie fatigue. Have you ever heard anyone say that there is "movies based on novels fatigue" or "original screenplay fatigue"??? No, of course not. Comic books are just a source to get ideas from.

In fact, at last year's Cannes film festival...the most respected event of its kind...a comic book movie unanimously won the grand prize. A comic book tv show is breaking records and is considered the most successful series in cable tv history. It is now expected that most of the top grossing movies every year will be comic book films.

What people tire of is seeing the same story. For a long time, every comic book movie was handled the same. They were weak stories with poorly fleshed out characters. There was no effort to make a "good" movie. Once we saw a few dozen, we realized that they were all empty calories. It was basically interchangeable stories that left us feeling nothing when it was over. Now we expect more. You're either going to deliver the greatest spectacle we could possibly see...or we expect a good movie. When a studio doesn't care to do either and is comfortable giving us the type of movie we used to get (RIPD, for instance) then we can often sense that, and reject it. This is amplified when they reboot a franchise that we just paid to see a few years ago.

But it isn't JUST comic book movies. Robocop was not the hit it was expected to be. Carrie bombed. Pacific Rim underperformed. Random disaster porn film Pompeii tanked. Battleship sunk. That Hercules movie earlier this year bombed (the first of at least 3 Hercules movies that I know of this year). The Devil Inside, Oculus and The Quiet Ones all under-performed because they looked exactly like movies we've already seen a million times.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier was a spy thriller. Iron Man 3 was a Lethal Weapon style comedy. Thor: The Dark World tried (and failed) to be closer to an epic fantasy film. The Dark Knight was NOTHING like Avengers. The public will never get sick of these movies as long as we feel like the movies have a reason to exist.

So yeah...it has nothing to do with the fact that more movies are being adapted from comic books.

 

[Heretic]

They are thinking long term, that's the problem. People keep subscribing to this theory that a plan has to be in place, in actual fact what needs to happen is full concentration needs to be placed on the film that's being made at present. This is the current problem for not just Spider-Man but superhero films in general over the last 5 or so years.

No, they are RUSHING into the future. A long term plan would involve slowly growing the universe over the course of many films.

 

[The Joker]

I love almost every Bond film for one reason or another! Whether it be they're legitmately good, or they're funny bad!

Connery era is probably still my favorite. Though I love Casino Royale and Skyfall was well.

Goldfinger is still my favorite quintessential Bond movie. It's full of iconic moments and characters; Goldfinger, Oddjob, ***** Galore, Q becoming a fully fledged character, the Aston Martin DB5, the laser sequence; "Do you expect me to talk - No Mr Bond I expect you to die", the girl dead on Bond's bed painted head to foot in gold, the Fort Knox assault etc.

Classic. Connery was the man.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Goldfinger is still my favorite quintessential Bond movie. It's full of iconic moments and characters; Goldfinger, Oddjob, ***** Galore, Q becoming a fully fledged character, the Aston Martin DB5, the laser sequence; "Do you expect me to talk - No Mr Bond I expect you to die", the girl dead on Bond's bed pained head to foot in gold, the Fort Knox assault etc.

Classic. Connery was the man.

Goldfinger is my favorite too.