The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Neno_Kos]

Where did i say he is not or he is Spider-man fan? Nevermind. I stay behind arguments i said.

 

[Tony Stark]

In general, I think people need to grow thicker skin around this stuff. What bothers me the most is "this film doesn't deserve the negative criticism" as if to invalidate all the bad reviews that come in.

What people like or dislike is subjective. Whether the fans agree or the critics agree, or the genral population are sometimes three different things. To deny that the general viewing audience doesn't seem as interested in this film as they have been in past Spider-man films, is to ignore reality. I don't know if those folks are right or wrong, but it's a reality.

You had IM3 last year that the general audience seemed to love, the critics gave it positive reviews, but a lot of the fans tore it apart. I liked that film, but I can totally understand why the people that didn't like it, felt the way that they did.

I guess it's only natural to want to have your opinions validated, but it doesn't always work out that way. I think fans can hold to their opinions, but at least acknowledge that other people may differ.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Where did i say he is not or he is Spider-man fan?

It sure is implied right here.

Was it great comicbook movie translating perfectly comicbook pages as they are coming into life? Yes. But most people dont read comics and watch animated series too see this and appreciate it.

 

[Visualiza]

But most people dont read comics and watch animated series too see this and appreciate it.

Where did i say he is not or he is Spider-man fan? Nevermind. I stay behind arguments i said.

See above. That very quote suggests that people who don't like the movie don't read the comics or watch other Spider-Man related media, thus they can't appreciate the genius that is the new movie. In other words, they're not a genuine fan.

You don't have to say something verbatim for it to be the overarching message.

 

[Visualiza]

In general, I think people need to grow thicker skin around this stuff. What bothers me the most is "this film doesn't deserve the negative criticism" as if to invalidate all the bad reviews that come in.

What people like or dislike is subjective. Whether the fans agree or the critics agree, or the genral population are sometimes three different things. To deny that the general viewing audience doesn't seem as interested in this film as they have been in past Spider-man films, is to ignore reality. I don't know if those folks are right or wrong, but it's a reality.

You had IM3 last year that the general audience seemed to love, the critics gave it positive reviews, but a lot of the fans tore it apart. I liked that film, but I can totally understand why the people that didn't like it, felt the way that they did.

I guess it's only natural to want to have your opinions validated, but it doesn't always work out that way. I think fans can hold to their opinions, but at least acknowledge that other people may differ.

It's only getting worse as time passes, it seems. I really feel like this forum is Man of Steel all over again, whereby every single criticism is met with some sort of logical fallacy or derision.

I sincerely believe that if something like Catwoman or even GL were released today, we'd see the same army of white knights taking up defenses against the criticisms.

 

[Tobias]

It looks like Amazing Spider-Man 2 is turning out the way I thought it would, it's going to continue in its path of declining domestic returns (Box Office Mojo reports that it's on track to do $230 million) while the international box office gets boosted by fantastic Asia numbers.

Overall looking good. With Asian markets TASM2 might exceed 800 million. A big success and blowing past TASM 1.

 

[Green Goblin]

So apparantly the domestic numbers have been falling after Spider-Man 1?

Can anyone verify this?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I sincerely believe that if something like Catwoman or even GL were released today, we'd see the same army of white knights taking up defenses against the criticisms.

We did have that! I remember those forums well.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

So apparantly the domestic numbers have been falling after Spider-Man 1?

Can anyone verify this?

Yep.

http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=spiderman.htm

 

[Green Goblin]

It's only getting worse as time passes, it seems. I really feel like this forum is Man of Steel all over again, whereby every single criticism is met with some sort of logical fallacy or derision.

I sincerely believe that if something like Catwoman or even GL were released today, we'd see the same army of white knights taking up defenses against the criticisms.

Ok that first paragraph is complete crap. Every fourm will them, it isn't exclusive to the Spider-Man boards or Man Of Steel boards.

What is funny is that you are one. I sure didn't appreciate your snarky remarks because I thought Iron Man 3 was "Ok".

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But it bugs me when they are blind to what is actually going on around them (as in how it is received by other people and the public at large).

It was especially frustrating in the case of Man of Steel, because there is an aesop in that film (the Kryton Elders ignoring all the signs that their planet was about to explode because it didn't mesh with their world views) about not falling into that trap. So it was like a lot of the more obsessive fans didn't even understand the messages in the film they love so much. And I say that as someone who liked Man of Steel.

 

[Marvin]

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

It means I've read critics do what you are accusing people of doing. People that are different types of fans than you, are writing reviews for fans that share in their perspective, and not accounting for the fact that you have a different perspective on the property.

That's all.

 

[Marvin]

I think people underestimating the Overseas reach of this film/property.
ASM did far lower domestic numbers than the prior films but that didn't stop it from doing 'the damn thing' thanks in part to what spiderman can do overseas and in this particular market and with 3D inflation.

To not thing that will be even more present this time...I find odd.

I also wonder what type of spin people have planned for the Transformers situation. Another high roller internationally, with slightly diminishing domestics. I also wonder just how low domestics have to be for people to start feeling blue.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I predicted over 500mil last time I checked. I think 565mil.

 

[Tobias]

I predicted over 500mil last time I checked. I think 565mil.

Adding the 230 plus expected in US and TASM2 does a lot better than TASM and its seen as a success. People over-reacted to the domestic opening. Forbes says it will be a big success.

 

[Green Goblin]

Yep.

http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=spiderman.htm

Why has the US become less interested since the the very first film?

 

[spider-neil]

RDJ's reaction...

That works both in context of movie's BO and the comics as Peter is always struggling to make ends meet compared to the billionaire Wayne and Stark.

 

[Liam_H]

Why has the US become less interested since the the very first film?

Not everyone was clamoring for the reboot so soon and not everyone loved TASM. Add that up and declining interest is not that surprising.

You could also say with the popularity of other heroes shooting up since SM3 has somewhat made Spider-Man less special.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Why has the US become less interested since the the very first film?

I think Box Office Mojo has it right

The Spider-Man character clearly remains very popular—if that weren't the case, it couldn't have possibly reached $90 million. It's abundantly clear, though, that this franchise has to some extent worn out its welcome with moviegoers.

 

[Visualiza]

Ok that first paragraph is complete crap. Every fourm will them, it isn't exclusive to the Spider-Man boards or Man Of Steel boards.

What is funny is that you are one. I sure didn't appreciate your snarky remarks because I thought Iron Man 3 was "Ok".

Please. I got smart with you because you refused to explain yourself after being asked to do so repeatedly. For what it's worth, I apologize, and if you want to have a chat about this, PM me.

Otherwise, keep in mind that I never said that this doesn't happen elsewhere either. I just it reminds me of what happened in that particular forum last year. Calm yourself.

It means I've read critics do what you are accusing people of doing. People that are different types of fans than you, are writing reviews for fans that share in their perspective, and not accounting for the fact that you have a different perspective on the property.

That's all.

That seems like a non-sequitur to me. I can appreciate different perspectives, but one doesn't invalidate the other. While I do think that like-minded people would tend to find more value in reviews that are cut from the same cloth, so to speak, I don't think that means that others should be left out of the discussion, or bastardized, for that matter. I believe every perspective should be given due consideration, even the subset of critics/moviegoers who apparently hate these films, because as soon as one of them do come around, you can bet that several people will jump on the train and exclaim "Well how about that! Even A.O. Scott loved this movie!" "Whaaaaaaaaat? Armond White liked this? Mind blown!"

I'm still not sure if you're trying to justify that sort of false dichotomy or what.

 

[Green Goblin]

Not everyone was clamoring for the reboot so soon and not everyone loved TASM. Add that up and declining interest is not that surprising.

You could also say with the popularity of other heroes shooting up since SM3 has somewhat made Spider-Man less special.

I was talking about the domestic decline since Spider-Man 1.

 

[Liam_H]

I was talking about the domestic decline since Spider-Man 1.

Cause Spider-Man just became one of those movies that just hit at the right time that everyone went to see, lots of repeat viewings. SM2 did decline but not by much and SM3 just fell off a cliff because it was crappy.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The only reason Spidey 3 didn't hit 400mil is because it was garbage, plan and simple. That decline was solely due to quality.

Spider-Man started out so huge that there was always going to be a slight decline but the continuing decline is because the 3rd film was lousy.

 

[Tobias]

Cause Spider-Man just became one of those movies that just hit at the right time that everyone went to see, lots of repeat viewings. SM2 did decline but not by much and SM3 just fell off a cliff because it was crappy.

Hitting at the right time is a factor definitely. IM, the Nolan Batman, Avengers.

Everyone assumes Batman vs Superman will be massive but it will take a bit of luck to do that. Hitting at the right time.

 

[Marvin]

The only reason Spidey 3 didn't hit 400mil is because it was garbage, plan and simple. That decline was solely due to quality.

Spider-Man started out so huge that there was always going to be a slight decline but the continuing decline is because the 3rd film was lousy.

Release date didn't help.
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