So many contradictions, clear errors, falsehoods, omissions that I don't really have the time to adress them all. But here's one.
TASM2 and Neighbors have very different breakdown demos. Most of the TASM's audience is male, most of Neighbors audience is female. TASM behaves like a family film (low weak days apart from an healthy tuesday bump, 175%+ friday bump, good saturday bump and decent sunday hold) meaning that it appeals to kids and their parents which is a different demo than the ya rushing to watch Neighbors or any other R-Rated comedy.
MoS faced in its second week end a 4 quadrants Pixar film and a zombie action film drawing young males so the comparision is completely irrelevant.
You forgot to adress TASM2's early tracking which was about 37 millions (around a 60% drop) for the week end (and about 10 millions less for Neighbors) based on TASM's week days only and had nothing to do with Neighbors overperforming ? Were they delusionnal or driven by some kind of agenda too? TASM2's number were pretty much set in stone after last week end all competition aside. Because let's face it it didn't faced any competition during its opening week end (unless you consider TOW direct competition too and I think you can spin that too) and it performed quite poorly (but I know it's the MCU's fault).
You remove all the YA's from the spidey audience poll, including the girls that are primed for the romance angle post ASM and the famed spiderman numbers will drastically change. This isn't Dredd. Talk of how demo breakdowns work doesn't account for how many many young men went along to watch titanic with their dates. Spiderman 'performing' as a family film with it's stronger weekend vs weekdays during may, doesn't negate that young adults fuel all these sorts of films to large degrees.
This only Neighbors tracking I've read was lead by young males(spiderman has no interest in them clearly) followed by females(again nothing of interest to spidey). Imagine that. I'm left wondering, what on earth are you exactly referring to here. Last I heard the audience for ASM2 is 60 percentile males, now I'm to believe that has no cross over with a hit R Rogen comedy...as I'm sure it also isn't indicative of that last McFarlane R comedy or this 22 jump street film either.
MOS faced a solid competition at the box office(though people like to ignore it), ASM faced solid competition at the box office, the relevance begins there. Unless you can some how prove that ASM would have made the same amount of money it did had this weekend had no new releases, the amount of quadrants is a fickle game imo. In my screening of Neighbors, there were a large amount of males my age. I assume the same happened in the screening afterward and across the continent. Not so different than most Seth Rogan R comedies including Superbad.
Now I'm blaming the MCU? Please do me a favor and find that particular post while we are at it, if you can't please stop putting words in my mouth. Get this much straight if anything, I am firmly on the ASM2 is under performing angle, particularly it's opening weekend. This current discussion pertains to if it would have done better against Rio or Neighbors. Do I think asm 2 would have performed as well as any of the raimi films if Neighbors wasn't around, no. Again this is about falling second place the equally poorly received Rio.
If nothing else(and I'm sure there will be nothing) retain that.
As for the tracking point. This same tracking that suggested Neighbors wasn't going to land over 50mill? That's great that forecasts supposedly thought the film would do one thing but I'm more concerned with what the reality was. Same deal with WWZ. For when it comes to discussing the ebbs and flows of the weekend, the actuals tell a better story for pertinent discussion. That being said;
I personally didn't stumble upon any trade tracking for ASM2 that landed before thursday night. How early was this early tracking that specified 37mill exactly and did it at all mention Neighbors? Link? I don't really buy that the number was simply derived from the day by day performance but rather, but the weekend tracking, as it was for Neighbors.
Moreover I'm not talking about neighbors over performing but rather performing strong with high word of mouth, I haven't seen any tracking whatsoever that hasn't mentioned neighbors and it's pull. Sorry.
Now please, keep on finding excuses, keep on twisting things after they happened without assessing the main reason why TASM2 is underperforming because in the end, this is rather fun. After all this is what you said about Neighbors being competition last Tuesday answering Angryfantasyfan's statement (which is pretty much the opposite of what you're saying today):
I think it says a lot.
Families and Children! How is that at all any different that what I'm saying today? Pretty sure no 6 or 10 year olds and the pixar family ilk went to see the movie with penises and curse words. I wasn't counting on families and children to flock to Neighbors and I'm certain children with their families didn't contribute the films gross in any significant manner(if at all).
Is that the only quote you can find?
I think that says alot..
Just a guess but you really do seem to have a thing for people that you think are trying to do what you are accusing me of. Good luck with that. The main reason, as I've said, for this particular films under performance is a variety of things that mostly fall upon sony's decision making(such as another goblin story, convoluted story, nothing new being brought to the table, no MJ and so on).
One of the major reasons it's going to fall short of it's expected domestic haul is due to the major competition that lies before it(as historically seen with other similar films). I also think this weekend would have landed higher if there were no new releases at all.
When I say that's the only reason the film is underperforming, then you have my endorsement to run off at the mouth. Till then, let's keep it focused here.
Now let me ask you a basic question. Do you think that all this May competition will play no such factor in ASM's totals? If you say anything but no, you will find yourself squarely in my particular position. Which is hella fun btw.
