The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[Tobias]

Any idea how much more it can make in the OS markets? its coming up to 5 weeks in some which is sort of the end of the line runwise.

 

[terry78]

I think they actually want something with an escapism vibe whereas the rest of us are actually more cynical and burned out. Hell, you see how good every Transformers movie has done in those circles.

 

[STARMAN]

Make a great Spider-Man film and that will solve half your problems.

 

[Spiderine]

Make a great Spider-Man film and that will solve half your problems.

I think there are several people at Sony with different ideas and suggestions as to what exactly makes a good Spidey film.

 

[JOE]

Make a great Spider-Man film and that will solve half your problems.

Hans't been done since 04'. Webb's got one last chance at redemption with TASM 3. Let's see if he can kill two birds with one stone and redeem the symbiote. Still think it's their best shot to get people back in the theatres one last time.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Hans't been done since 04'. Webb's got one last chance at redemption with TASM 3. Let's see if he can kill two birds with one stone and redeem the symbiote. Still think it's their best shot to get people back in the theatres one last time.

Sony's making a big mistake if Webb gets a third chance to get it right. I have to agree with I See Spidey on this. Sony should fire Webb and Arad and transition Drew Goddard from Sinister Six to TASM3.

 

[JOE]

Sony's making a big mistake if Webb gets a third chance to get it right. I have to agree with I See Spidey on this. Sony should fire Webb and Arad and transition Drew Goddard from Sinister Six to TASM3.

Webb's the pilot for this trip. Right now, the plane is decreasing in altitude and is in line to crash. Do we teleport a brand new pilot in his place to try and land the plane safely? Will he be able to figure out the problem he didn't create? Will that create more problems? Or do we hope to God Webb can figure out what caused the altitude drop and get the plane back on a safe course?

I'm all about analogies. Passengers get to make the call, we're all the passengers as die hard Spidey fans. What would YOU do?

 

[Frodo]

I blame Sony more than Webb, and really, if we get a new team, they're gonna be just a new set of people implementing Sony's lazy world building ideas. What's needed imo is not only a new creative team, but the type of leadership at the top, which is willing to treat the property with care. It takes both elements which have to work together. Otherwise youre not really solving the problem. Now maybe , the ASM2 reception will cause them to look critically at what they did wrong. On the other hand they may say " The Sinister 6 and more characters is what's needed for ASM3!".

 

[Spiderine]

Hans't been done since 04'. Webb's got one last chance at redemption with TASM 3. Let's see if he can kill two birds with one stone and redeem the symbiote. Still think it's their best shot to get people back in the theatres one last time.

I don't see how the sym would be the best shot to get butts back in the seats when they just did that story in SM3. Many complaints are the repetitive unoriginal ideas thats already been done in this franchise. The symbiote would be retelling of a story thats already been done.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Why do you think that is?

That point's not really an opinion it's a fact. In places like asia especially the overall number of theatres and 3D equipped theatres especially has blown up in the last few years.

They were just late to the party and are starting to catch-up.

I believe there are significantly more theatres in china now than North America. The trade-off is China sticks studios with big taxes and tarifs so it's harder to get their money's worth.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

The damage is done. It's over for this character as a big time draw. I could care less if I ever see this character on screen again. That's the legacy these last three films have created for me.

 

[JOE]

I don't see how the sym would be the best shot to get butts back in the seats when they just did that story in SM3. Many complaints are the repetitive unoriginal ideas thats already been done in this franchise. The symbiote would be retelling of a story thats already been done.

Exactly. The only way I see that being a problem is if the story we got back in 2006 was any good. It wasn't, hence the retelling. Give it justice.

 

[Spiderine]

Exactly. The only way I see that being a problem is if the story we got back in 2006 was any good. It wasn't, hence the retelling. Give it justice.

The problem is not that u couldn't do a better story but you are gonna have to sell the general audience on seeing black suited spider in trailers again. It wouldn't take much to do a better story than 2007 but you have to really sell the idea that its not a retread. Thats difficult to do. Spidey goes dark again and gains special abilities? They better make a better and bigger splash than that.

 

[JOE]

The problem is not that u couldn't do a better story but you are gonna have to sell the general audience on seeing black suited spider in trailers again. It wouldn't take much to do a better story than 2007 but you have to really sell the idea that its not a retread. Thats difficult to do. Spidey goes dark again and gains special abilities? They better make a better and bigger splash than that.

Why not? They sold the origin story to the public again? Peter Parker, an outcast high school science wiz student get's bitten by a spider and gets super powers. His uncle dies when he could have prevented it had only he'd known what responsibility was with those great powers.

Does the symbiote have to come on a random meteor in central park and latch on to his backpack? No. You get what I'm trying to say though, right?

 

[Spiderine]

Why not? They sold the origin story to the public again? Peter Parker, an outcast high school science wiz student get's bitten by a spider and gets super powers. His uncle dies when he could have prevented it had only he'd known what responsibility was with those great powers.

Does the symbiote have to come on a random meteor in central park and latch on to his backpack? No. You get what I'm trying to say though, right?

Ummm....No. I don't believe they really sold many on the idea of seeing the origin again. That's been stated by many and it made the least amount of money as a result. It had been done before. People were eager to see black suited Spidey in SM3. I understand what you are saying about doing a better story it just doesn't change my opinion about them doing it again.

The general audience hasn't gotten anything new and worthwhile with this franchise anymore. Thats part of the problem. Black suited spidey isn't gonna generate overwhelming new interests when it was recently done. And lead up to a villain they already saw.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Webb's the pilot for this trip. Right now, the plane is decreasing in altitude and is in line to crash. Do we teleport a brand new pilot in his place to try and land the plane safely? Will he be able to figure out the problem he didn't create? Will that create more problems? Or do we hope to God Webb can figure out what caused the altitude drop and get the plane back on a safe course?

I'm all about analogies. Passengers get to make the call, we're all the passengers as die hard Spidey fans. What would YOU do?

I would hire an entire new creative team. New writers, new director, etc. This movie in the 2 year turnaround is going to be more of the same. Webb isn't the pilot to right this ship, IMO. For all the good stuff that is done with the action, the Charlie Chaplin over reshooting and editing the movie together and hoping it would become something cohesive is not how you make a superhero film. These films need more guidance, and Webb is either not going to do it, or Sony won't let him. In either case, I don't see things getting any better with him at the helm.

I don't think anything outside RAVE reviews will boost BO performance for the series. It will gross around the same that TASM & TASM2 have. No symbiote or Sinister Six will boost the BO without quality behind it.

 

[JKKS085]

Why do you think that is?

I think there are several factors at play here.

First of all there is the rapid growth of the theater offer. We're still in the middle of a "multiplex boom" in several asian markets. Theaters construction is booming in China (+5,000 screens in 2013 only), India (+8,000 screens since 2009) in Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea but also Russia and the exploding market of digital theater only accentuates the current trend. That's one thing.

The other is pretty much the consequence of the first one because you have an entirely, eager, new audience not affected by the "franchise fatigue" who is probably seeing Spider-Man in cinemas for the first or second time. So there is a demand, significantly higher than the one on more "historic" markets. And I'm not accounting for the fact that Spider-Man, ever since the first movie has always been extremely popular overseas most than any other cbm character in fact (it took Batman 6 films until The Dark Knight Rises to reverse the domestic/overseas balance at the BO, Spider-Man did it in one in the early 2000's.).

Now that the demand can meet the offer you get record breaking openings that reflect both the growth in theater offer and the fact an entirely new audience is now able to see these movies in theaters (helped by the increase of minimum wage, the massive rural exodus movement on some emerging markets ...)

 

[Tony Stark]

In all honesty, there needs to be a 10 year wait before they do anything else with the character. I know that won't happen, because Sony would lose the rights.

I'm just telling you if there's not a prolonged period before another Spider-man film, the public will grow more disinterested.

 

[Spider-Fan]

In all honesty, there needs to be a 10 year wait before they do anything else with the character. I know that won't happen, because Sony would lose the rights.

I'm just telling you if there's not a prolonged period before another Spider-man film, the public will grow more disinterested.

Time isn't the issue. As someone said, we got 8 Harry Potter films in a very short period of time, and all those did well at the BO and the series maintained a high level of quality. The problem with the Spider-Man series isn't QUANTITY. It is QUALITY. We haven't had a Spider-Man film that people loved since 2004. That is now 10 years of bad-mediocre reception for the character. Interest is dropping as a result.

 

[Tobias]

In all honesty, there needs to be a 10 year wait before they do anything else with the character. I know that won't happen, because Sony would lose the rights.

I'm just telling you if there's not a prolonged period before another Spider-man film, the public will grow more disinterested.

Why does it have to be so. Batman has a 4 year wait and is being re-launched in the 2016 Batman/pre-JL film.

Its more a question of good story, directing and the actors.

 

[spider-neil]

The damage is done. It's over for this character as a big time draw. I could care less if I ever see this character on screen again. That's the legacy these last three films have created for me.

That's $12 Sony will never see. Oh well...

 

[JOE]

Ummm....No. I don't believe they really sold many on the idea of seeing the origin again. That's been stated by many and it made the least amount of money as a result. It had been done before. People were eager to see black suited Spidey in SM3. I understand what you are saying about doing a better story it just doesn't change my opinion about them doing it again.

The general audience hasn't gotten anything new and worthwhile with this franchise anymore. Thats part of the problem. Black suited spidey isn't gonna generate overwhelming new interests when it was recently done. And lead up to a villain they already saw.

They sold $750M worth of people worldwide on the origin, your argument is invalid.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They sold $750M worth of people worldwide on the origin, your argument is invalid.

750 mil is a fairly steep drop between BO grosses, and does show a significant diminished return. So, it isn't an invalid argument. They lost a fair share of the audience for the series, and TASM2 is showing it possibly dropped even more (or remained about the same).

 

[JOE]

750 mil is a fairly steep drop between BO grosses, and does show a significant diminished return. So, it isn't an invalid argument. They lost a fair share of the audience for the series, and TASM2 is showing it possibly dropped even more (or remained about the same).

From one origin to another they still got people in the seats. 3/4 a billion is nothing to joke about. Do you think if they introduced the symbiote that there wouldn't be any interest? If anything, people want to see that storyline given justice after the massacred it in SM3.

 

[Spider-Fan]

From one origin to another they still got people in the seats. 3/4 a billion is nothing to joke about. Do you think if they introduced the symbiote that there wouldn't be any interest? If anything, people want to see that storyline given justice after the massacred it in SM3.

I don't think it would raise the BO of the series any, honestly. It's going to likely remain around the same. TASM & TASM2 are earning around the same type of BO. This is despite the whole Sinister Six teasing and them adapting one of Spider-Man's best known stories. I don't see them shoehorning the symbiote into the next movie making people who already were lukewarm/didn't like these movies to come back to the theater. I think the audience will only come back if the movie itself is strong. If it gets the same type of buzz the last 2 got, then it will make the same. Regardless of whatever gimmicks Sony throws at us.