The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[Orba]

Evans has explicitly stated that once he finishes his contract with Marvel, he is retiring from acting. He has already completed most of his contract with two Captain America films and an Avengers film. I believe he is obligated to appear once more in a third Captain America and two more Avengers movies.

While he plans to focus on things behind the camera he doesn't plan to retire from acting, a few weeks after the whole retirement story came out he corrected the rumour to say that he wouldn't be retiring.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/apr/01/captain-america-chris-evans-not-quitting-acting

 

[GuestStar2004]

all the villains being from oscorp isn't a bad thing at all, infact this is what marc webbs world is... its a grounded world which has been pulled into fantasy, where things shouldn't exist but because of oscorp they do, its oscorp thats creating these villains

this world isn't just spider-man gets bitten gains spider powers, elsewhere something happens to a guy and he gains sand powers, and elsewhere a man gets stuck in a robotic rhino suit, elsewhere a man gains electric powers ect ect

Although i can see Oscorp being completely destroyed in TASM3 in a final battle

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

It's poor story telling having them all come from Oscorp. It's like having Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Riddler, Scarecrow, Man-Bat, and Hugo Strange come from Wayne Industries.

 

[Arach Knight]

While he plans to focus on things behind the camera he doesn't plan to retire from acting, a few weeks after the whole retirement story came out he corrected the rumour to say that he wouldn't be retiring.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/apr/01/captain-america-chris-evans-not-quitting-acting

Glad he changed his mind. I feel as though the man got no recognition prior to now, but I enjoy his work, including Scott Pilgrim, Push and yes, even Fantastic Four. I think it is great that he has a niche that he adheres to (science-fantasy).

It's poor story telling having them all come from Oscorp. It's like having Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Riddler, Scarecrow, Man-Bat, and Hugo Strange come from Wayne Industries.

If you consider it poor story telling, then you should take issue with the multi-award winning Ultimate Spider-Man comicbook series, written by Brian Michael Bendis. He is the writer that famously presented the idea of most of Spider-Man's woes coming from Oscorp or Trask Industries, including the spider that bit him, both Goblins, Doc Ock, Venom etc. It does lean heavily upon coincidence, but so does the entirety of the genre.

How else does one ever explain a concentration of costumed villains in the same particular city in which there are costumed heroes? Logically speaking, these villains would go terrorize cities that lack super heroes. Yet, the characters remain in contested areas where heroes tend to take the day. But that is where one opts to suspend disbelief. Though, your criticism is quite valid.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Well create another company. Have Allen Chemical.

Personally, I've always liked the idea that Doc Ock created his tentacles and owns them. He uses them in experiments with Oscorp if he wants. Not something Oscorp invented.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's poor story telling having them all come from Oscorp. It's like having Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Riddler, Scarecrow, Man-Bat, and Hugo Strange come from Wayne Industries.

for the story they are telling it makes sense, its probably not what people want because they want all these people to create these robot gadgets or have accidents that change them else where and then be gathered, right now at this moment in time we don't know how its going to come together so its not poor storytelling

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Not saying anything pro Raimi but I liked how Conners was a college professor. Scarecrow was a professor and I think Man-Bat might have been. Maybe one of Peter's college teachers could be a villain.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

It's poor story telling having them all come from Oscorp. It's like having Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Riddler, Scarecrow, Man-Bat, and Hugo Strange come from Wayne Industries.

I was thinking about that...

we already saw Doc Ock's tentacles, and vulture's wings, but, that doesn't mean it wasn't Octavius, and Toomes that made them...

they could've worked at Oscorp at one point, or those could have been inventions from rival company's that they, bought out, or even stolen those inventions from (which is why they were locked up in secret projects section and not being used

if they were ideas that stole from there original creators, Octavius/ Toomes, it'd make sense for Harry/ man in the shadows to approach them about having a chance to take there inventions back and use it

 

[HarryOsborn]

Glad he changed his mind. I feel as though the man got no recognition prior to now, but I enjoy his work, including Scott Pilgrim, Push and yes, even Fantastic Four. I think it is great that he has a niche that he adheres to (science-fantasy).



If you consider it poor story telling, then you should take issue with the multi-award winning Ultimate Spider-Man comicbook series, written by Brian Michael Bendis. He is the writer that famously presented the idea of most of Spider-Man's woes coming from Oscorp or Trask Industries, including the spider that bit him, both Goblins, Doc Ock, Venom etc. It does lean heavily upon coincidence, but so does the entirety of the genre.

How else does one ever explain a concentration of costumed villains in the same particular city in which there are costumed heroes? Logically speaking, these villains would go terrorize cities that lack super heroes. Yet, the characters remain in contested areas where heroes tend to take the day. But that is where one opts to suspend disbelief. Though, your criticism is quite valid.

They don't go and terrorize cities in most modern tellingly. Also all superhero films taking place in New York is a thing of the past. Iron man was in Miami and LA, Thor was in London, cap in DC, Hulk in across the world, and guardians are in space. It's not that black and white.

 

[HarryOsborn]

I hope the series starts using some pre existing villains, ie the Otto Octavio's when we meet him is already doctor octopus, he just doesn't know spider-man yet.

 

[Iceman]

Marvel can't bank on those two for that much longer. Both Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans have given statements that effectively express that they will be stepping away from these characters once their contractual obligations are fulfilled. The reasons of course are different, but still yield the same result.

RDJ simply recognizes that he is getting too old for the role. Chris Evans no longer wishes to act and is transitioning his career from in front of the camera, to behind the camera: Evans wishes to direct and produce films rather than star in them. Evans has explicitly stated that once he finishes his contract with Marvel, he is retiring from acting. He has already completed most of his contract with two Captain America films and an Avengers film. I believe he is obligated to appear once more in a third Captain America and two more Avengers movies.

Also, once Marvel has the rights for Spider-Man, I am sure they will get to work with employing a strategy similar to what they worked out with Universal for The Incredible Hulk. Rather than having to fully reboot the character, they will simply introduce the existing take on the character into the MCU.

That would be fine with me. 6 appearances in 3 solo and 3 team films is enough before giving these characters a 5 or 6 year break. They have so many other characters to introduce anyway and it might be part of the story that they get injured during Avengers 3, or Cap 3 in Cap's case. And Iron Man will be very hard to recast down the line but even though Evans was great I think there will be other actors who can play a good Cap (just not the ones on their stupid shortlist from which Evans was definitely best).

If any of these characters were licensed to Sony there'd be no option to stop though due to the rights, and they'd have to continue being pushed in our faces until every new successive film was guaranteed to lose money. I don't want 9 films in a short space of time by any other Marvel character either, it's not something specifically against Spider-man.

 

[Nemeres]

If you consider it poor story telling, then you should take issue with the multi-award winning Ultimate Spider-Man comicbook series, written by Brian Michael Bendis. He is the writer that famously presented the idea of most of Spider-Man's woes coming from Oscorp or Trask Industries, including the spider that bit him, both Goblins, Doc Ock, Venom etc. It does lean heavily upon coincidence, but so does the entirety of the genre.

The TASM movies can only wish they were as well written as Bendis's Ultimate Spider-Man comics. That's why it can't get away with the same things and you hear people bringing up the same issue over and over; because it's not presented in a manner that leaves the impression that there couldn't be a better way.

How else does one ever explain a concentration of costumed villains in the same particular city in which there are costumed heroes? Logically speaking, these villains would go terrorize cities that lack super heroes. Yet, the characters remain in contested areas where heroes tend to take the day. But that is where one opts to suspend disbelief. Though, your criticism is quite valid.

There are many ways. And if they were well thought out and imaginative and actually made the Spidey universe seem complex and diverse, I doubt you would hear many complaints that it's unrealistic. Especially when the lack of plausibility goes by forgiven in so many other areas of these movies.

 

[XSpidercideX]

As of May 19th (three days ago) the film has been sitting at $634 million. And no, $700 million won't be a relief. As it stands, this movie needs $119 million just to match the first films box office take of $752 million. That is already proving to be a huge hurdle for this film, as it is continuing to see a reduced number of screens, first from Godzilla, this week from Days of Future Past and next week, by Maleficent. The chances of this film even having a comparable performance to the first film are slim. And while reaching $700 million will likely secure a third film and a second chance to launch a Sinister Six spin off, $700 million is $300 million below what Sony told investors this film would make, which means that this film will cause Sony to take a hit.

Box Office Mojo only updates OS numbers once a week, so I'm not sure what your point is. Also, Sony may have a high end goal of 1 billion, but they probably have a range of success, where they consider anything from 700-1 billion successful, while under 700 is a problem. A recent interview stated that they were happy going forward with future films making half a billion WW as a sign of success. You realize only about half the profit comes from theatrical Box Office?

TASM2 may have less of a WW box office drop than the original trilogy had from SM to SM2, which I'm sure they will be happy with.

 

[VenomsMom]

Anybody know when this film will release in Somalia?

 

[Donut]

How about a movie with no drama ? Let Spider-Man be Spider-Man for once without being driven by saving somebody he loves or honoring Uncle Ben & no romance. Give Peter Parker one movie where the last thing on his mind is romance & focus on the fun of Spider-Man

 

[The Joker]

Well create another company. Have Allen Chemical.

Personally, I've always liked the idea that Doc Ock created his tentacles and owns them. He uses them in experiments with Oscorp if he wants. Not something Oscorp invented.

Hear hear. Ock and Vulture should be the creators of their own technology. It makes it more personal to them, not to mention shows their genius, instead of it just being hand me downs from Oscorp!

 

[Mr.M]

How about a movie with no drama ? Let Spider-Man be Spider-Man for once without being driven by saving somebody he loves or honoring Uncle Ben & no romance. Give Peter Parker one movie where the last thing on his mind is romance & focus on the fun of Spider-Man

That my friend, is how you lose another 50% of your audience. I would take a page from Cap. Maybe focus on other guys in college besides Harry. Get Flash in there, or a more decent Brock. Or add some original characters. At this point though, I don't see how you actually make anybody interesting. Clearly Black Cat is a way to go, but she's a Catwoman ripoff. Spidey is running out of options big time. Parker is just too boring to care about and Spidey doesn't have the pull by himself. The quips get stale at some point. You need an interesting Peter Parker to sustain this franchise.

 

[JOE]

It's sad that The Avengers made more in it's OW than Spidey will make in it's entire Domestic run.

 

[JOE]

That my friend, is how you lose another 50% of your audience. I would take a page from Cap. Maybe focus on other guys in college besides Harry. Get Flash in there, or a more decent Brock. Or add some original characters. At this point though, I don't see how you actually make anybody interesting. Clearly Black Cat is a way to go, but she's a Catwoman ripoff. Spidey is running out of options big time. Parker is just too boring to care about and Spidey doesn't have the pull by himself. The quips get stale at some point. You need an interesting Peter Parker to sustain this franchise.

It doesn't get anymore interesting than the Sinister 6. If they fail with that in TASM 3 then the franchise should rest for a decade or so. Franchise fatigue is killing Spider-Man's image.

 

[Iceman]

TASM2 may have less of a WW box office drop than the original trilogy had from SM to SM2, which I'm sure they will be happy with.

Nope, because a drop after SM1's record breaking start (which is almost Avengers money if you take inflation into account) doesn't equate to the completely unexpected drop after TASM. Everyone including me and you were expecting TASM2 to do better than TASM and build this new reboot out as a foundation for all the other planned projects. They were expecting this to improve on the 1st and for TASM3 & 4 to be making a fair way over $300m.

 

[Iceman]

It doesn't get anymore interesting than the Sinister 6. If they fail with that in TASM 3 then the franchise should rest for a decade or so. Franchise fatigue is killing Spider-Man's image.

It definitely is, but Sony unfortunately don't have that option. If Marvel had the character back they could give him the rest he needs, no solos for a good few years at least.

 

[Spiderine]

It doesn't get anymore interesting than the Sinister 6. If they fail with that in TASM 3 then the franchise should rest for a decade or so. Franchise fatigue is killing Spider-Man's image.

If they are forced to rest the franchise then Sony has no choice but to hand it back to Marvel.

 

[JOE]

That's the problem, they won't rest the franchise. Which is why they're trying to tie up Garfield until 2020. TASM 4 & 5 better have Venom in one of them.

 

[Erzengel]

It's sad that The Avengers made more in it's OW than Spidey will make in it's entire Domestic run.

No it's not.

It should make one feel good that average moviegoer is rewarding quality.

The last thing we need is another At World's End or Dark Side of the Moon.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The last thing I'd want is a spider-man crime drama. I want more emotional life lessons. Disney has some solid writers that have made grown men cry watching cartoons, we need people like that for spider-man.

Someone like say old Joss Whedon who wrote Toy Story? t:

Crossing the 700M line will be a relief for TASM 2, it could have been a lot worse. Thankfully the OS carried the BO.

I'm still thinking Sony is going to have to get creative with the numbers to get it over $700 m WW. I just don't see things going well for Spidey with DOFP this weekend and Maleficent next weekend and Godzilla smashing the BO right now. They are going to lose a ton of theaters in all markets in the next weeks and historically movie theaters only keep movies around that have good legs and keep selling tickets and that really isn't the case with this movie

Box Office Mojo only updates OS numbers once a week, so I'm not sure what your point is. Also, Sony may have a high end goal of 1 billion, but they probably have a range of success, where they consider anything from 700-1 billion successful, while under 700 is a problem. A recent interview stated that they were happy going forward with future films making half a billion WW as a sign of success. You realize only about half the profit comes from theatrical Box Office?

TASM2 may have less of a WW box office drop than the original trilogy had from SM to SM2, which I'm sure they will be happy with.

Funny how you arbitrarily start at the number it's barely struggling to reach currently. I highly doubt anyone at Sony considers this a success with the less than stellar BO and the fact the OS profits are nowhere near as much as they would like at this point.

Again I admire your tenacity to try and spin this series in a positive light but the writing is going to be on the wall for Sony and Spidey if they don't blow people minds with next film