The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[spider-neil]

I'm curious which blockbuster or summer tent pole movies bombed that were highly praised?

Scott Pilgrim.


Also, who said I was talking about blockbuster or tentpole movies?

 

[Spider-Ock]

Bring. In. The. Symbiote...

Amen to that

 

[spider-neil]

Venom should be developed in his own movie to gauge the reaction of the general audience before putting him in ASM. The ASM franchinse is on thin ice as it is.

 

[Spider-Ock]

Venom should be developed in his own movie to gauge the reaction of the general audience before putting him in ASM. The ASM franchinse is on thin ice as it is.

According to me, the symbiote possessing Peter is a great way to convey the effects of Gwen's death. The symbiote can guilt trip him into thinking that he could have overpowered the Goblin faster and caught Gwen before she fell had the symbiote bonded with him earlier. If they focus on Symbiote Peter more and and just do a post-credits tease of it occupying Brock, it might work.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...ience-fatigue-isnt-really-hurting-spider-man/

when $700 million is what a Spider-Man “failure” looks like? What it says is that while the audience undeniably shrank, it sure didn’t shrink enough for anyone to claim global audiences are “tired” of Spider-Man to any serious extent.

Exactly. Probably something like a 10% decline or something.

 

[Erzengel]

Scott Pilgrim.


Also, who said I was talking about blockbuster or tentpole movies?

Well blockbusters are kind of a different breed, and I don't think there's been a movie that's cost $200 million, got outstanding praise and bombed.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

DoFP has passed TASM2 at the domestic box office.

 

[Erzengel]

Exactly. Probably something like a 10% decline or something.

It's why Studios keep doing Tom Cruise movies. They don't care that he can't really carry a movie outside of MI in the States as long as he's popular overseas.

 

[The Joker]

DoFP has passed TASM2 at the domestic box office.

Wonderful news

 

[JKKS085]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...ience-fatigue-isnt-really-hurting-spider-man/

Sony doesn't make any money from merchandising. I won't even bother reading the rest of this article when it obviously is a biased, misinformed demonstration constructed on flawed hypotheses.

The franchise hasn't lost 10 or 12 or even 20% of its domestic attendance but 64% compared to 2002. Internationally if it wasn't for China, ticket price inflation, 3D premiums and the lower dollar, that meager growth the film is showing from TASM would be a steep decline as well.

If that isn't enough to claim that the franchise's audience has shrunk enough to raise any alarm bells then what is exactly ?

 

[SpideyK]

Oh man, ASM2 still hasn't hit $700M.

Wtf.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...ience-fatigue-isnt-really-hurting-spider-man/

Sony doesn't make any money from merchandising. I won't even bother reading the rest of this article when it obviously is a biased, misinformed demonstration constructed on flawed hypotheses.

The franchise hasn't lost 10 or 12 or even 20% of its domestic attendance but 64% 2002 . Internationally if it wasn't for China, ticket price inflation, 3D premiums and the lower dollar, that meager growth the film is showing from TASM would be a steep decline as well.

If that isn't enough to claim that the franchise's audience has shrunk enough to raise any alarm bells then what is exactly ?

I'm giving you a round of applauds right now. That article is a poorly researched travesty written by a pathetic fanboy.

I do not take kindly to people making up their own facts because they enjoyed or didn't enjoy a film.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Even in China it is pretty much soley because the market there has expanded rather than a bunch of extra love for the film. TWS and DoFP out grossed ASM2 in China too, just like they did in the US.

I said this in the DoFP thread, but I feel like it is appropriate here as well. In just a little over a year a Spider-Man film has now been out grossed at the domestic box office by an X-Men film, a Captain America film, a Thor film, a Superman film, and an Iron Man film. That's stunning to me.

 

[spider-neil]

Wonderful news

Ha ha! I don't see DoFP passing ASM2 overseas BO

 

[GuestStar2004]

The critic response probably hurt spidey abit, not a lot but it seems these days that if you make a comic book movie that the critics rave for that the boxoffice will go up quite abit purely from audiences curiosity

I mean if you look at Thor the dark world... Which made $644 million and got its fair amount of bad reviews (to my surprise) and then you have the winter soldier which the critics raved for it at 89 on RT and made $710 mil, and yet the first Thor movie actually made more then the first capt movie

 

[spider-neil]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...ience-fatigue-isnt-really-hurting-spider-man/

Sony doesn't make any money from merchandising. I won't even bother reading the rest of this article when it obviously is a biased, misinformed demonstration constructed on flawed hypotheses.

The franchise hasn't lost 10 or 12 or even 20% of its domestic attendance but 64% 2002 . Internationally if it wasn't for China, ticket price inflation, 3D premiums and the lower dollar, that meager growth the film is showing from TASM would be a steep decline as well.

If that isn't enough to claim that the franchise's audience has shrunk enough to raise any alarm bells then what is exactly ?

There a ton of reasons, many of which are listed in the article you couldn't be bothered to read. Including the Raimi franchise being the first out of the gate, far more superhero movies to choose from, greater influences outside the cinema now than 2002 like pirating and home theatre. None of that matter though, right?

 

[spider-neil]

Even in China it is pretty much soley because the market there has expanded rather than a bunch of extra love for the film. TWS and DoFP out grossed ASM2 in China too, just like they did in the US.

I said this in the DoFP thread, but I feel like it is appropriate here as well. In just a little over a year a Spider-Man film has now been out grossed at the domestic box office by an X-Men film, a Captain America film, a Thor film, a Superman film, and an Iron Man film. That's stunning to me.

Spidey has been having dimishing returns domestically since 2004.
It's sad that he is now being out grossed domestically by many CBMs but Spidey's real market these days is overseas.

 

[Spider-knight]

with the film being postponed along with hopefully the sinister six sony needs to make this movie and franchise great bygiving creators the chance to do what they want, hire some talented writers who are well known for successful movies and tv shows critcally, not overuse so many effects, and not overmarket everything. if they truely want to keep the rights then they need to stop messing with the films and give us some great spidey movies.

i also hope we see a director's cut in the near future

 

[The Joker]

Ha ha! I don't see DoFP passing ASM2 overseas BO

You mean you hope it doesn't pass it's overseas BO t:

 

[spider-neil]

Also Cap2 is the second movie out the gate (not the 5th) AND has an Avengers boost. People want to make out that makes no difference, we'll see how well the 5th Cap movie does at the box office.

X-Men is a mega cross over with the original cast teaming up with the FC cast. Plus Wolverine coming off one of the most successful X-Men universe movies.

Spidey's box office was disappointing but there was no Avengers boost, no major crossover, it's coming off a mixed reception for ASM and a even more mixed reception for ASM2. The movie is still going to cross the 700m mark. This could have turned out a lot lot worse.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh it's going to get a lot worse in 2016 or 2017.

 

[spider-neil]

As a comparison Batman's 4th movie out the gate was Batman and Robin and the 5th was Batman Begins. Check out the Box office returns of those movies. Sure the Batman franchise was going to explode but that is where it was at after the 5th movie.

Xmen's 4th and 5th movies were Origins and First Class. Check out the box office returns of those 2 movies.

Superman's 4th and 5th movies were Superman 4 and Superman Returns. Check out the box office returns of those two movies.

Obviously with Spider-Man's popularity you'd expect more but it's unfair to compare to movies that came out a decade ago and was Spidey's first outing on the box screen at a time when there were fewer CBMs to choose from. But as I said it could be a LOT worse unless 700m is now considered a flop.

 

[Erzengel]

Also Cap2 is the second movie out the gate (not the 5th) AND has an Avengers boost. People want to make out that makes no difference, we'll see how well the 5th Cap movie does at the box office.

X-Men is a mega cross over with the original cast teaming up with the FC cast. Plus Wolverine coming off one of the most successful X-Men universe movies.

Spidey's box office was disappointing but there was no Avengers boost, no major crossover, it's coming off a mixed reception for ASM and a even more mixed reception for ASM2. The movie is still going to cross the 700m mark. This could have turned out a lot lot worse.

Honestly, all that is speculative. Especially since Cap 2 didn't seem to me to be marketed as from the people who brought you the Avengers.

And X-Men for being one of the oldest Marvel CBM franchises never really did high numbers. X-3 as craptacular as it was did the best until DoFP even though it's regarded as one of the worst of the series.

It can be simply, TWS and DoFP were just better received and arguably better movies than TASM 2 and that's why.

 

[Spider-Ock]

I See Spidey, what is your prediction for Asm2's final gross. Your estimates have been pretty bang on so far so I would really appreciate your opinion.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Who said 700mil was a flop? Just about no one. 700mil is a huge number but you can't look at that number without factoring in how much was spent on the film and the fact that it was supposed to kick off these yearly Spider-Man related films. You also cannot ignore the film's mixed to negative reception.