The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - Part 51

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[Spideyfan117]

I honestly thought the debate started purely because digific thought she was already accepted. I think the american education system is different, so I'll have to sit this one out; I don't know enough of the logistics re. colleges to contribute.

Maybe because the school year ends in late november where I am from, and then summer hits for 3 months, before university begins in march.

But yeah, I tap out lol. I am not following the convo well enough.

Well you're right that it started that way. But I jumped in with a random idea and tried to explain why it was plausible. That's all.


In the case of Oxford, their FAQ provides transfer information. They accept transfers (in the sense that people switch universities), but not credits or courses from other universities. So Gwen could go, but that means beginning her studies all over again.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

Would oxford start in june? Don't you guys have summer holidays for a decent while? I would have thought there would be at least a few months holidays after high school graduation?

so you have graduation early in the film, gwen and peter in new york because on holis, gwen goes to oxford *one year later* back in new york.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Would oxford start in june? Don't you guys have summer holidays for a decent while? I would have thought there would be at least a few months holidays after high school graduation?

so you have graduation early in the film, gwen and peter in new york because on holis, gwen goes to oxford *one year later* back in new york.

After the high school semester ends in June, there is a summer vacation. U.S. College semesters usually don't start until late August/early June.

IDK when the Fall semester starts at Oxford since that's in the U.K. though.

 

[sl500jazz]

Lol, thanks. I'm not saying it happens that way. It's just something to consider. I mean, an entire year passes post-high school graduation. There are several possibilities to consider.

No prob. Considering how vague they've been (with the exception of Jaimie Foxx lol) there are definitely a myriad of possibilities. Although, if she were to get accepted directly after graduation, I'm not sure that Oxford would let her postpone attendance for that amount of time. Imo, it makes more sense that she would apply and leave during that 'one year' time lapse or that she would apply after the time lapse as a transfer student (maybe via a study abroad program between ESU and Oxford.)

 

[Spideyfan117]

Would oxford start in june? Don't you guys have summer holidays for a decent while? I would have thought there would be at least a few months holidays after high school graduation?

so you have graduation early in the film, gwen and peter in new york because on holis, gwen goes to oxford *one year later* back in new york.

Oxford would still start in late summer/fall. I wonder, though, would she go to Oxford for that whole year and then take a summer job/internship at Oscorp? Just a thought.

 

[Spideyfan117]

No prob. Considering how vague they've been (with the exception of Jaimie Foxx lol) there are definitely a myriad of possibilities. Although, if she were to get accepted directly after graduation, I'm not sure that Oxford would let her postpone attendance for that amount of time. Imo, it makes more sense that she would apply and leave during that 'one year' time lapse or that she would apply after the time lapse as a transfer student (maybe via a study abroad program between ESU and Oxford.)

These options make the most sense to me.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Its possible she initially applied to ESU, attends that for a year, and then applies to Oxford as a transfer student.

 

[DigificWriter]

Gwen going to Oxford is not a big enough issue to warrant obfuscation.

 

[Spideyfan117]

Its possible she initially applied to ESU, attends that for a year, and then applies to Oxford as a transfer student.

That's what I was getting at the entire time. lol

 

[DigificWriter]

Oxford doesn't let students transfer. You can apply while attending another school, but if you're accepted, you're effectively starting from scratch when you get to Oxford.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That's what I was getting at the entire time. lol

Lol sorry, I'm really tired. I thought you were saying that she gets accepted to Oxford, but then decides to go to ESU, and then transfers back to Oxford.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ See what I just said about Oxford not allowing students to transfer from other schools.

 

[Spideyfan117]

Oxford doesn't let students transfer. You can apply while attending another school, but if you're accepted, you're effectively starting from scratch when you get to Oxford.

I mentioned that detail from Oxford's FAQ page a few posts. It's still switching schools and still a plausible route they could take. Credits don't transfer but that's the extent of it.

 

[Spideyfan117]

Lol sorry, I'm really tired. I thought you were saying that she gets accepted to Oxford, but then decides to go to ESU, and then transfers back to Oxford.

No problem, Picard. I'm losing my wits from exhaustion as well. I've had a long day. lol

 

[sl500jazz]

^ See what I just said about Oxford not allowing students to transfer from other schools.

This is a fictional universe (ESU?) so that really doesn't mean much.

Besides, in Spidey's world ESU is meant to be a cross between Columbia and NYU so it is a pretty prestigious school in its own right. I wouldn't be surprised if it had ties to Oxford. Maybe it gives some of its best and brightest students the opportunity to study in London (at Oxford) for an extended amount of time via study abroad.

 

[DigificWriter]

Elsewhere on the Oxford website, it says the following:

Oxford does not accept transfer students under any circumstances.

Source

 

[Spideyfan117]

Elsewhere on the Oxford website, it says the following:

Source

And that means she couldn't switch schools because...? 'Transfer' in this context means transferring an entire student record, complete with grades, credits and coursework.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ If she were to leave ESU for Oxford, she would basically have wasted however many semesters/months she spent there.

IOW, she would not, in this instance, be 'switching schools'; she would be dropping out of one school and enrolling at another.

 

[Spideyfan117]

^ If she were to leave ESU for Oxford, she would basically have wasted however many semesters/months she spent there.

IOW, she would not, in this instance, be 'switching schools'; she would be dropping out of one school and enrolling at another.

That's the definition of switching schools... She would have to start from the ground up per Oxford's requirements. But that doesn't negate the possibility of changing her mind and putting in for Oxford after being at ESU.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

Oxford would still start in late summer/fall. I wonder, though, would she go to Oxford for that whole year and then take a summer job/internship at Oscorp? Just a thought.

If she goes to oxford right after chinatown, then coming back one year later and working at oscorp (maybe she is lured back, cos evil) is consistent with the elevator and second date scene. the way she looks at spider-man on the monitor kind of does look like she's thinking "huh, so this is what you have been up to while i've been away?"

as for the 2nd date, if you look at the footage from the perspective that it is a reunion, it makes sense. they are somewhat awkward around one another. they walk in parallel, but peter doesn't have his arm around her or anything. i can totally buy that the "so sorry i'm late" date scene is the first time peter and gwen have seen one another since she left.

also, from the sustainability reel, we see peter walking away and stopping that truck with his hand, all whilst staring off into the distance. he looks somewhat dumbstruck/dumbfounded. i think gwen may have said she has returned to new york because she wants to be with him. peter can't believe his luck. whether gwen staying in new york means she has transferred to ESU is unknown, but that could be an additional reason.

we know that gwen wants to be with peter despite his promise. i think it has been cited that she is equipped to deal with it because her dad was a cop. so her returning to new york and getting back with peter then leads to her helping spidey with electro and we all know how that ends.

what's great about this theory is that it silences people who didn't like that peter broke his promise at the end of tasm1. if peter breaks up with gwen the scene after graduation, and she goes away for a year, then he has achieved responsibility level 9000 as far as i am concerned. contrast this to the end of tasm1 where his broken promise is responsibility level -10.

it's gwen that spearheads them getting back together, which allows peter's acquiescence to be totally understandable. he has proven to the audience that he has honored cap's promise, but obviously gwen has a say too, and that one year apart was good for both of their souls. they did some reflection and getting back together is far less impulsive and "screw you captain stacy". it's great imo. kurtzman and orci have had their cake and eaten it too.

then, when gwen dies at the end of the film, it isn't all on peter. he is only partly responsible. if anything, it will teach him to be even more rigid in his great power great responsibility in the future; an aspect of the character we know too well from the comics. in other words, peter's greatest critic has always been himself.

 

[Spideyfan117]

If she goes to oxford right after chinatown, then coming back one year later and working at oscorp (maybe she is lured back, cos evil) is consistent with the elevator and second date scene. the way she looks at spider-man on the monitor kind of does look like she's thinking "huh, so this is what you have been up to while i've been away?"

as for the 2nd date, if you look at the footage from the perspective that it is a reunion, it makes sense. they are somewhat awkward around one another. they walk in parallel, but peter doesn't have his arm around her or anything. i can totally buy that the "so sorry i'm late" date scene is the first time peter and gwen have seen one another since she left.

also, from the sustainability reel, we see peter walking away and stopping that truck with his hand, all whilst staring off into the distance. he looks somewhat dumbstruck/dumbfounded. i think gwen may have said she has returned to new york because she wants to be with him. peter can't believe his luck. whether gwen staying in new york means she has transferred to ESU is unknown, but that could be an additional reason.

we know that gwen wants to be with peter despite his promise. i think it has been cited that she is equipped to deal with it because her dad was a cop. so her returning to new york and getting back with peter then leads to her helping spidey with electro and we all know how that ends.

what's great about this theory is that it silences people who didn't like that peter broke his promise at the end of tasm1. if peter breaks up with gwen the scene after graduation, and she goes away for a year, then he has achieved responsibility level 9000 as far as i am concerned. contrast this to the end of tasm1 where his broken promise is responsibility level -10.

it's gwen that spearheads them getting back together, which allows peter's acquiescence to be totally understandable. he has proven to the audience that he has honored cap's promise, but obviously gwen has a say too, and that one year apart was good for both of their souls. they did some reflection and getting back together is far less impulsive and "screw you captain stacy". it's great imo. kurtzman and orci have had their cake and eaten it too.

then, when gwen dies at the end of the film, it isn't all on peter. he is only partly responsible. if anything, it will teach him to be even more rigid in his great power great responsibility in the future; an aspect of the character we know too well from the comics. in other words, peter's greatest critic has always been himself.

Some very interesting stuff here, RB. You certainly make a better case for the plausibility of that scenario than I could have.

 

[Picard Sisko]

If she goes to oxford right after chinatown, then coming back one year later and working at oscorp (maybe she is lured back, cos evil) is consistent with the elevator and second date scene. the way she looks at spider-man on the monitor kind of does look like she's thinking "huh, so this is what you have been up to while i've been away?"

as for the 2nd date, if you look at the footage from the perspective that it is a reunion, it makes sense. they are somewhat awkward around one another. they walk in parallel, but peter doesn't have his arm around her or anything. i can totally buy that the "so sorry i'm late" date scene is the first time peter and gwen have seen one another since she left.

also, from the sustainability reel, we see peter walking away and stopping that truck with his hand, all whilst staring off into the distance. he looks somewhat dumbstruck/dumbfounded. i think gwen may have said she has returned to new york because she wants to be with him. peter can't believe his luck. whether gwen staying in new york means she has transferred to ESU is unknown, but that could be an additional reason.

we know that gwen wants to be with peter despite his promise. i think it has been cited that she is equipped to deal with it because her dad was a cop. so her returning to new york and getting back with peter then leads to her helping spidey with electro and we all know how that ends.

what's great about this theory is that it silences people who didn't like that peter broke his promise at the end of tasm1. if peter breaks up with gwen the scene after graduation, and she goes away for a year, then he has achieved responsibility level 9000 as far as i am concerned. contrast this to the end of tasm1 where his broken promise is responsibility level -10.

it's gwen that spearheads them getting back together, which allows peter's acquiescence to be totally understandable. he has proven to the audience that he has honored cap's promise, but obviously gwen has a say too, and that one year apart was good for both of their souls. they did some reflection and getting back together is far less impulsive and "screw you captain stacy". it's great imo. kurtzman and orci have had their cake and eaten it too.

then, when gwen dies at the end of the film, it isn't all on peter. he is only partly responsible. if anything, it will teach him to be even more rigid in his great power great responsibility in the future; an aspect of the character we know too well from the comics. in other words, peter's greatest critic has always been himself.

Some good speculation you got there.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

lol thanks. it very much is speculation, but it fits with what we know. if peter forces and/or instigates them staying together, then gwen's death could be met with "that's what you get!" from certain audience members. i like the added layer of gwen wanting peter back, which is facilitated by being apart for one year.

btw, max's adoration of spider-man could impact on gwen, who *could* be back in new york purely for work. she might be conflicted whether to reconcile with peter. but if she hears from max how great spider-man is (she doesn't know he's unstable), that could melt her a bit. shows that peter has put his money where his mouth is. he didn't simply break up with her and quit being the hero because he was so depressed. he is honoring his responsibility vow all by himself. what a good guy. i'd go out with him.

ps., i imagine the scene of spider-man watching gwen from atop the building occurs before the second date scene. he's unsure how to approach gwen, but still loves her and thus spies on her as spider-man. if your ex gf love of your life returned, you would naturally want to see her.

edit: if gwen sees spider-man watching over her, which from the set video looks to be the case via her looking up, then that could lead her to call peter and ask to see him (aka date scene no. 2). in other words, she is in a similar mindset as peter, and not sure how to approach things. her seeing him watching tells gwen that he still loves her and gives gwen enough courage to call him. by showing them as being on the exact same page, it emphasises just how perfect they are for one another.

remember when zimmer said that he loved just how much heart was in tasm2, and how much the relationship stuff worked? i think the above is consistent with that. it's infinitely more layered than gwen and peter simply being together. if there is a star crossed lover element then the film will be stronger for it, especially given the way it will likely end...