Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - - - - Part 13

[First Avenger]

Well I do think that people around here overestimate just how much hate for the movie there really is. If you go look at the major review sites like Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic, the reviews are very mixed but in terms of both critics and user ratings, there are still more positive reviews than negative. Not by a large amount, but still it's not completely hated like some people here would lead you to believe.

But you also must consider the fact that we are talking about the no.1 (marvel)superhero in the world,the character that set the stage in the first place back in 2002 for the pletora of CBMs we are getting today. In my eyes it's a bad reception for a character as known and beloved like him.Spider-Man CANNOT be beaten by the freaking Guardians of the Galaxy in every single department,he deserves much better than what ASM2 made to him and the other characters involved,he deserves a great movie,not a series of mediocre ones and by all accounts we haven't had a great Spider-Man movie since 2004. He deserves a movie that everyone should love,but now he's in a position where the general audience just doesn't care enough about the character and that is sad.

 

[Spider-man95]

An answer to a question couple pages earlier: Eric Larsen's Spider-man would be pretty badass on screen

Yay somebody answered my question!

 

[Spider-man95]

But you also must consider the fact that we are talking about the no.1 (marvel)superhero in the world,the character that set the stage in the first place back in 2002 for the pletora of CBMs we are getting today. In my eyes it's a bad reception for a character as known and beloved like him.Spider-Man CANNOT be beaten by the freaking Guardians of the Galaxy in every single department,he deserves much better than what ASM2 made to him and the other characters involved,he deserves a great movie,not a series of mediocre ones and by all accounts we haven't had a great Spider-Man movie since 2004. He deserves a movie that everyone should love,but now he's in a position where the general audience just doesn't care enough about the character and that is sad.

Agreed, a Spider-Man film should have people excited to see it not hesitant.

 

[spiderman2]

It's not like that. I mean look at the critics score or audience reception. ASM2 just isn't a liked movie,no matter what our opinions are.

While it just fell like that because I have never disagreed with people about a movie has much has I have with this movie and one the big complaints about the movie is that the movie is to cheesy even though sm 1-3 where more cheesy no one really complains about it being cheesy. So its like sm 1-3 where not to cheesy but asm2 is? Get out of hear. How can you complain about asm2 being overly cheesy yet not complain about the same thing with sm 1-3? You also have people who complain about the movie having dubstep music say that the score sucks even though the substep is just a small fraction of the score.

 

[Erzengel]

A Spider-Man movie shouldn't have mixed reviews.

A good Spider-Man movie shouldnt be beaten at the box office by Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy and X-Men.

If some fans want to argue it's not hated that's fine but the opposite can be equally argued that it's not loved.

 

[CaptainWagner]

A Spider-Man movie shouldn't have mixed reviews.

A good Spider-Man movie shouldnt be beaten at the box office by Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy and X-Men.

If some fans want to argue it's not hated that's fine but the opposite can be equally argued that it's not loved.

Well, it's learly not universally loved, a lot of folks (myself included) just don't feel it's the abhorrant mess that some people make it out to be.

 

[spiderman2]

A Spider-Man movie shouldn't have mixed reviews.

A good Spider-Man movie shouldnt be beaten at the box office by Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy and X-Men.

If some fans want to argue it's not hated that's fine but the opposite can be equally argued that it's not loved.

Yeah a sm movie should easily make a billion if not more. The old sm movies are all like right at a billion slighyly over a billion and that was with cheaper tickets, no 3d and a lot smaller international market. Really a sm movie should be like a 1.6-2 billion type of movie. I mean if you take sm 1-3 had inflation and 3d ticket prices the movie would be already like a 1.4 billion movie and then you still have the international market plus imax to get you more money. I don't think sm 1-3 had imax or at least not has man imax showings has asm1 and 2 did.

 

[spiderman2]

Well, it's learly not universally loved, a lot of folks (myself included) just don't feel it's the abhorrant mess that some people make it out to be.

Yeah its simi liked. Its not out right hated like a catwoman, green lattern ect.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I'm all about respecting opinions, but these recent poll results just give off a vibe of stubbornness and elitism. I may be wrong

You are wrong. Fans just like what they like. They don't need to be stubborn. The ones who get angry about it are the ones who show stubborness and taking it personally.

Just go look at the poll results, it's pretty telling. Almost every vote for SM-2 are from the people who hate everything about TASM.

The ones who all vote TASM movies are fans of them. So same could be said of you votes. But we not say that because we respect that you like what you like best. Sad that you cannot do same without making false accusations and getting annoyed.

 

[LizardMan07]

You are wrong. Fans just like what they like. They don't need to be stubborn. The ones who get angry about it are the ones who show stubborness and taking it personally.



The ones who all vote TASM movies are fans of them. So same could be said of you votes. But we not say that because we respect that you like what you like best. Sad that you cannot do same without making false accusations and getting annoyed.

So when you say "we" have you got some creepy gollum thing or are you just talking collectively for every Raimi fan out there.

I like TASM2 better but I realise that the Raimi films did a lot better in some aspects.

CGI is not one of them, as they just didn't have access to a time machine to get the current tech. Don't see why that's hard to admit.

I can guarentee that plenty of opinions have been met with hostility from "Raimi fans" or whatever you want to call them, insults flying, calls of death, it's all there.

Crazy stuff. At least we can all be happy that Dylan O'Brien may not get another role ever again, that'd be wonderful.

Can't we all get along? Praise Tobey and all that

 

[Doctor Octopus]

So when you say "we" have you got some creepy gollum thing or are you just talking collectively for every Raimi fan out there.

I like TASM2 better but I realise that the Raimi films did a lot better in some aspects.

CGI is not one of them, as they just didn't have access to a time machine to get the current tech. Don't see why that's hard to admit.

I can guarentee that plenty of opinions have been met with hostility from "Raimi fans" or whatever you want to call them, insults flying, calls of death, it's all there.

Crazy stuff. At least we can all be happy that Dylan O'Brien may not get another role ever again, that'd be wonderful.

Can't we all get along? Praise Tobey and all that

See you even respond to post making some insult like the Gollum one Brab. How you expect everyone to get along when you do things like that.

I say we because I mean fans who not vote the way you happy with.

Just because the Cgi is more advanced today than it was years ago does not always mean effects look better to people in the older movies. Problem is movies now become to reliable on them and that makes them look more fake. I not say all effects in ASM movies look bad but I think a lot of them look too much cgi and not as good older movies. Raimi relied a lot on using real people and stunt actors for his action scenes and things when he could. Probably why Spider-Man 2 win Oscar for it's visual effects. People also are not always impressed by same things are others.Some fans say something might have better effects but it not wow them like other stunts with less effects do. Like you know part in Spider-Man 2 where Doc Ock go flying through glass window of bank and smash into the taxi cab parked in the street? That look more impressive and exciting to me than the big giant Sandman of Spider-Man 3 final battle.

My point is that we explain why we like them better, but that not good enough for you and you still make comments like we being biased hater and forum jumped shark, and things that are insulting and not true to say.

You make it too hard for fans to get along most of time. I think fights going to happen every time a poll happen now and it end up not getting the votes you like.

 

[Spider-Ock]

.....
Let's just leave it guys. If y'all wanna deserve the Spider-Pupp movie, we need to stop arguing all the time. Otherwise, Spider-Pupp will be sad and you dont want the cute little pupp to be sad, right?

Oh, and Doctor Octopus, I think you can get a 75x75 avvy mate. You have like 1890 posts and you are just 110 shy of getting a 100x100 one.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Thank you Spider-Ock. I have this avatar for so long now I forget to ever change it lol.

 

[Spider-Ock]

Thank you Spider-Ock. I have this avatar for so long now I forget to ever change it lol.

I made a GIF thread of Spidey's original trilogy in the Spider-man 1,2,3 section. There are some Doc Ock avvys there if you wanna take a look. Here's the link

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=482745

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Thanks Spider-Ock. What do you think? I feel so different with new avatar like I change my clothing image after having same style for years lol.

 

[LizardMan07]

Might be able to make a bigger version of your old one too!! Since they're mainly stills

 

[Spider-Ock]

It looks great, Doc Ock! If you want your original avvy, like BRAB said, you can increase its size as well. There are tons of gif editors online that resize avvys to the desired dimension (which, in this case, is 75x75). A prominent example is ezgif.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I have no problem with the CGI in any Spidey films but TASM2 mostly because I felt some of Electro's scenes didn't look that good along with the Rhino.

The thing you have to remember about the Raimi films is 2 things:

1. CGI was very new. Directors would balance CGI and practical effects. When you look at Episode 1, yea not the best example but go along, most of the effects in terms of the city designs and looks with Naboo were practical and they still stand to this day because they used it sparingly. Here are examples:

When you look at Raimi's first Spider-Man, all the CGI scenes include Goblin flying on his glider, spidey sense and Spidey web slinging. Just about the rest of the film is practical. Scene where Goblin crashes Jonah's office? Practical. All the fight scenes? Practical. When you look at the scene where Spidey is holding the car and MJ, it's a mix of practical and CGI. CGI backgrounds but most of it is done through close ups which are practical.

For Spider-Man 2, same thing. Mix of practical and CGI. Dr Ock's arms were done via puppets for some scenes.

The point is nowadays I do feel film directors are far more lazy where instead of using models they will CGI it. When you look at the original Star Wars films, they are 90% practical. All the space battles? Practical.

Your film will stand the test of time when you do more with practical effects then CGI. CGI isn't bad but again it's how you use it. In 90% Superman's scenes in Man of Steel, they were done via practical effects through wires and a green screen.

I will admit, on Krypton the CGI looked off a tad and overblown but I'm more talking about Superman's scenes.

Point is in the early days of CGI, directors would find a way to mix practical and CGI so they that they didn't rely on CGI. Nowadays too many directors rely on CGI. It's the directors who know how to use the CGI that make films in which CGI stands the test of time. The Planet of the Apes reboots films, Peter Jackson's King Kong, some of the Star Wars prequels (there are still scenes like in Episode 2 that seem bad), the Christopher Nolan Batman films, Snyder with Superman. I will even say Webb did a good job in TASM1.

That's my 2 cents.

 

[LizardMan07]

Awesome post Levi

Practical vs CGI has been controversial for years

Old practical effects vs new CGI can be debated

Old CGI vs new CGI can't really.

There's something romantic about building your own set from scratch as opposed to on a computer

 

[Spider2099]

I think practical effects and CGI can work well together.

 

[LizardMan07]

Most scenes are like that

The power plant fight was 95% CGI from memory

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

It just depends who's directing when it comes to CGI. Raimi mixed both with his Evil Dead series. He knows how to use cgi and when to use it.

No offense but Webb doesn't have that much experience with cgi. He's never used it before TASM1.

It's fair to say that Spider-Man 2 will likely stand the test of time more than TASM2 from a visual POV. Hell I don't think Spidey 2 has really aged visually. Maybe with time because people have cell phones, tablets, and other stuff but it still holds up from a visual stand point.

AND GOOD GOD, HOW DID I NOT MENTION JURASSIC PARK WHEN TALKING PRACTICAL!!!!

 

[ironwez20]

A Spider-Man movie shouldn't have mixed reviews.

A good Spider-Man movie shouldnt be beaten at the box office by Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy and X-Men.

If some fans want to argue it's not hated that's fine but the opposite can be equally argued that it's not loved.

Exactly the fact that Gotg won over spiderman is a big deal. A bunch of no names. With all due respect I love Gotg but come on a spiderman movie lose to them. Somthing must be done.

 

[Urich Leeds]

I have no problem with the CGI in any Spidey films but TASM2 mostly because I felt some of Electro's scenes didn't look that good along with the Rhino.

The thing you have to remember about the Raimi films is 2 things:

1. CGI was very new. Directors would balance CGI and practical effects. When you look at Episode 1, yea not the best example but go along, most of the effects in terms of the city designs and looks with Naboo were practical and they still stand to this day because they used it sparingly. Here are examples:

When you look at Raimi's first Spider-Man, all the CGI scenes include Goblin flying on his glider, spidey sense and Spidey web slinging. Just about the rest of the film is practical. Scene where Goblin crashes Jonah's office? Practical. All the fight scenes? Practical. When you look at the scene where Spidey is holding the car and MJ, it's a mix of practical and CGI. CGI backgrounds but most of it is done through close ups which are practical.

For Spider-Man 2, same thing. Mix of practical and CGI. Dr Ock's arms were done via puppets for some scenes.

The point is nowadays I do feel film directors are far more lazy where instead of using models they will CGI it. When you look at the original Star Wars films, they are 90% practical. All the space battles? Practical.

Your film will stand the test of time when you do more with practical effects then CGI. CGI isn't bad but again it's how you use it. In 90% Superman's scenes in Man of Steel, they were done via practical effects through wires and a green screen.

I will admit, on Krypton the CGI looked off a tad and overblown but I'm more talking about Superman's scenes.

Point is in the early days of CGI, directors would find a way to mix practical and CGI so they that they didn't rely on CGI. Nowadays too many directors rely on CGI. It's the directors who know how to use the CGI that make films in which CGI stands the test of time. The Planet of the Apes reboots films, Peter Jackson's King Kong, some of the Star Wars prequels (there are still scenes like in Episode 2 that seem bad), the Christopher Nolan Batman films, Snyder with Superman. I will even say Webb did a good job in TASM1.

That's my 2 cents.

Great post, and agreed. :up

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes only made 2 million less than TASM.