Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - - - - Part 13

[The Joker]

I haven't, but that's actually on my list of comics to read.

Highly recommend it. It's not hard to find either. The comic book title it was in, Tangled Web, has many great stories in it.

To me, that lies the problem...after Spider-Man 2, motivation for the villains, have not been taken seriously...and that irks the hell out of me. Has anyone stop to ponder for a moment, you have a career criminal, native to Russian, with ties to the Russian underworld, known as a killer, gets his hand on a mechanical weapon that can level half the city, at his disposal, going up against a proven vigilante, whom has powers and have taken down a giant & deadly humanoid Lizard, and a brother whom has electrical power of a minor god...and you just gonna clown around with this guy, with a gathering crowd cheering like at a game. Unrealistic.

A person with Alexis background, wouldn't waste time conversating, he would be about the business. They are not taking these villains seriously, that is and have been my beef with these films. I wish for once, i could write for them, w/o any interference from Avi or anyone else. It's ridiculous how villain are being portrayed.

Hear hear

Love it

Apart from his Silver Age origin, that's the arc I think of when it comes to Rhino.

Tangled Web is full of great Spidey stories in general.

Yes it is. It's one of those great titles that flew under a lot of people's radar. Rhino also got some great exposure in the last few years, especially in the ASM 600's when he was working for Ock in his Sinister Six.Whole new dimension seen to his character there.

Exactly, great post Joker.

Thank you

Can you please respect that some people just didn't like it? We're just as welcome here as you are. Stop treating us like we're pests because we're criticizing something you liked.

 

[Spider2099]

Fox are negotiating with Disney to make a live action X-Men TV series.
It's like there is movement for everything except Spider-Man.

Funny because I always thought that Fox and Disney had a terrible relationship. Spider-Man just ended up in the worst hands, didn't he?

Highly recommend it. It's not hard to find either. The comic book title it was in, Tangled Web, has many great stories in it.

There's a book store near me that has a used copy of that trade paperback for a low price. Thinking about picking it up.

 

[First Avenger]

That is genius



It's not just the one liners that made him a ham. It was the goofy Max Dillon portrayal, the cheesy "He lied to me. He shot at me" theme music he had etc.

People also forget how little Electro is in the movie, too. In his first scene with Spider-Man he is defeated and captured. Tucked away in prison until the finale when Harry comically busts him out. He was basically an action plot device that served no significant purpose to the story's theme, or Spider-Man's growth as a character. What did Peter learn from his encounter with this guy? Nothing.

As for Rhino, Rhino has carried multiple comic book issues on his own without being caught on his first fight with Spider-Man. Same with Electro. That goes for the cartoons too. The brilliant Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon gave each of them an episode to themselves as chief solo villain. Just because TASM 2 reduced them to joke villains who were easily beaten first time around doesn't mean that's how pathetic they really are.

Yeah,you win Joker.

 

[Spider2099]

TASM2 could have been just fine without Electro. That villain didn't serve any real purpose other than "looking cool." And I'll admit, the visuals were really neat, but story-wise he added very little value.

 

[Spiderine]

To me, that lies the problem...after Spider-Man 2, motivation for the villains, have not been taken seriously...and that irks the hell out of me. Has anyone stop to ponder for a moment, you have a career criminal, native to Russian, with ties to the Russian underworld, known as a killer, gets his hand on a mechanical weapon that can level half the city, at his disposal, going up against a proven vigilante, whom has powers and have taken down a giant & deadly humanoid Lizard, and a brother whom has electrical power of a minor god...and you just gonna clown around with this guy, with a gathering crowd cheering like at a game. Unrealistic.

A person with Alexis background, wouldn't waste time conversating, he would be about the business. They are not taking these villains seriously, that is and have been my beef with these films. I wish for once, i could write for them, w/o any interference from Avi or anyone else. It's ridiculous how villain are being portrayed.

Could not have said it better. Nail on the head perfectly!

 

[The Joker]

And Electro was supposed to be the main villain, too. At least according to Marc Webb:

http://www.movieweb.com/comic-con-2...-the-main-villain-in-the-amazing-spider-man-2

 

[Daltonio]

Electro was fine with me, even as a main villain. It did seem a bit like he took a backseat to the Goblin and got overshadowed at the end but honestly I think it all has to do with him being the first villain in the entire Spidey movie franchise so far that didn't have some kind of personal connection to Peter Parker, which I thought was a nice change of pace. Electro was still the big threat of the film and just a villain, plain and simple. Goblin swooped in at the end for the final battle but as far as I'm concerned, Electro was still the main threat and therefore the main villain of the film, despite Harry helping him out quite a bit at the end.

 

[Spiderine]

It's not just the one liners that made him a ham. It was the goofy Max Dillon portrayal, the cheesy "He lied to me. He shot at me" theme music he had etc.

People also forget how little Electro is in the movie, too. In his first scene with Spider-Man he is defeated and captured. Tucked away in prison until the finale when Harry comically busts him out. He was basically an action plot device that served no significant purpose to the story's theme, or Spider-Man's growth as a character. What did Peter learn from his encounter with this guy? Nothing.

As for Rhino, Rhino has carried multiple comic book issues on his own without being caught on his first fight with Spider-Man. Same with Electro. That goes for the cartoons too. The brilliant Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon gave each of them an episode to themselves as chief solo villain. Just because TASM 2 reduced them to joke villains who were easily beaten first time around doesn't mean that's how pathetic they really are.

This post is full of nothing but truth. Agree 100 percent!

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Sigh. Still nothing.

I was hoping to have heard something by now. Not necessarily an announcement, but at least some rumors/inside info leaks that the Spidey summit happened and what the result was.

 

[LizardMan07]

Seeing how the FF boards blow up at the sight of a trailer I can only imagine how much this place will explode when Spidey comes home

 

[Spiderine]

The whole freaking movie felt like nothing but a long 2 hour teaser trailer for the anticipated Spidey-verse Sony wanted to build. That's all I got out of it.

 

[Daltonio]

The FF trailer is already out?? I gotta go check it out, been looking forward to it!

 

[LizardMan07]

But unfair

Only 5ish minutes of straight world building in regards to the sinister six

love to know of anything else in the film tha was straight world building, let alone the entire 2 hours

 

[Daltonio]

Yeah, there wasn't anywhere near as much world-building as some people make it out to be.

I almost wonder if the scene with The Gentleman visiting Harry had been after-credits instead if there'd be this many complaints about it, seeing as it sets up just about as much as those do in the Marvel films.

 

[LizardMan07]

I would have cut the film at the graveyard and used the "everything we need is at oscorp" scene as the end credit scene.

Would have been awesome for the film to end on a sad note

 

[JOE]

I would have cut the film at the graveyard and used the "everything we need is at oscorp" scene as the end credit scene.

Would have been awesome for the film to end on a sad note

I would have cut the film right after the first swinging sequence. The movie would have probably made twice the money and got way better reviews.

 

[LizardMan07]

If you made a 15 minute short and released it in cinemas would that allow you to keep the rights?

 

[JOE]

If you made a 15 minute short and released it in cinemas would that allow you to keep the rights?

Still better than TASM 2...

 

[Daltonio]

I would have cut the film right after the first swinging sequence. The movie would have probably made twice the money and got way better reviews.

Better reviews? You do remember that the film didn't open with the swinging right? I can already imagine the reviews in my head and lots of them are just the same. Here goes: "We don't care about the parents!!"

 

[Spider2099]

Yeah, there wasn't anywhere near as much world-building as some people make it out to be.

I almost wonder if the scene with The Gentleman visiting Harry had been after-credits instead if there'd be this many complaints about it, seeing as it sets up just about as much as those do in the Marvel films.

The scene with The Gentleman isn't necessarily just what people mean by "world building." The whole film feels like it was made just to set up future films.

You have 3 minutes of Norman Osborn hinting at a bigger role in the future. Then there are some cameos by characters like Felicia Hardy and Alistair Smyth who add next to nothing to the film. Rhino has a brief appearance as a bookend villain just to help "expand the universe." They rush the Harry Osborn/Goblin storyline so he could kill Gwen Stacy and start forming the Sinister Six already.

 

[LizardMan07]

But you liked TASM2 didn't you?

 

[Daltonio]

The setting up for the Sinister Six isn't necessarily just what people mean by "world building." The whole film feels like it was made just to set up future films.

You have 3 minutes of Norman Osborn hinting at a bigger role in the future. Then there are some cameos by characters like Felicia Hardy and Alistair Smyth who add next to nothing to the film. Rhino has a brief appearance as a bookend villain just to help "expand the universe." They rush the Harry Osborn/Goblin storyline so he could kill Gwen Stacy and start forming the Sinister Six already.

I'll give you the part with Norman, that seemed like set-up.

The cameos from Felicia and Alistair were perfectly fine with me. Could they come back in the future? Sure. But people not familiar with the Spidey mythos never would have even picked up on who those people were and probably never gave them a second thought. Especially Smythe, I never even considered he'd have another role in the future, I just considered it a wink to the fans.

As for Rhino, again wasn't a problem for me but I see what you're getting at. That one was blatantly set-up but people have been asking for a throwaway villain at the start for ages, so that one was okay with me, even as a bookend character.

 

[JOE]

Better reviews? You do remember that the film didn't open with the swinging right? I can already imagine the reviews in my head and lots of them are just the same. Here goes: "We don't care about the parents!!"

Read my post again before insulting my memory. I said "after the first swinging sequence." When did I say that was the opening of the film?

 

[LizardMan07]

If Felicia et;al was set up then every single character put into a movie is set up.

The Harry goblin thing is just your interpretation of the way it was done.

You can interpret whatever you want as world building but there's really only 5 minutes of explicit world building.

Again, there's no way the entire film was 100% world building

 

[LizardMan07]

Read my post again before insulting my memory. I said "after the first swinging sequence." When did I say that was the opening of the film?

Do you remember liking TASM2 when it first came out?