Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - - - - - Part 14

[smashmode]

Is any news of Spidey in the MCU dead now? There doesn't appear to be anything going on.

The best chance of this happening is if it is quiet. I think this is a good sign.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Yes, the longer they stay quiet, the sweeter the outcome will be (I pray)

 

[LizardMan07]

SevenWebHeads summed it up well in his latest video

 

[degraves93]

The idea of Sony, a company that pitched a fit over not having the rights to the Santa Claus Burglar, still being totally in charge of Spider-Man is 3spooky5me.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

It's so weird that Rob Liefeld was the first to predict a deal.

My un-informed prediction: Sony will split producing/financing w/Marvel on next Spidey film and open door for inclusion in Avengers 3

http://nerdreactor.com/2014/06/01/spider-man-could-possibly-appear-in-avengers-3/

 

[UltimateWebhead]

It seems like they just rushed the Harry/Goblin stuff to get right to the death of gwen stacey.

According to Webb, they wrote the movie backwards. They started with the idea of wanting to have Goblin kill Gwen and then made up the script so they'd arrive at that point.

I still think they should have saved Gwen's death for the 3rd movie.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

According to Webb, they wrote the movie backwards. They started with the idea of wanting to have Goblin kill Gwen and then made up the script so they'd arrive at that point.

I still think they should have saved Gwen's death for the 3rd movie.

 

[Spider2099]

The idea of Sony, a company that pitched a fit over not having the rights to the Santa Claus Burglar, still being totally in charge of Spider-Man is 3spooky5me.

Wait, what is this about the santa clause burglar??

According to Webb, they wrote the movie backwards. They started with the idea of wanting to have Goblin kill Gwen and then made up the script so they'd arrive at that point.

I still think they should have saved Gwen's death for the 3rd movie.

How... clever?? Obviously that worked.

 

[degraves93]

Honestly, I liked all three villains, Electro especially. I thought Foxx, DeHaan and Giamatti all did great, despite inconstancies and lack of development. I certainly don't think they're the Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy and Bane of the Spider-Man franchise like a lot of people say they are.

 

[Spider2099]

I thought that Electro was a visual treat and really thought he was cool to look at. But his character was pretty bad, though I'll say it's not quite on the level of B&R's Electro. DeHaan was pretty good as Harry Osborn but his character was rushed and somewhat nonsensical. I just hated Rhino altogether except for the costume.

 

[Tymminator]

The Peter/Harry relationship was rushed. I liked the chemistry between Peter and Harry but I never believed for one second that they used to be friends. There was no mention of Harry in TASM1 and their friendship was mostly talked about. Show, don't tell!

The frienship in TASM2 went like this:

1. Hey, it's been so long. Remember how we used to be such good friends like 10 years ago? Let's skip rocks together now and become good friends again.

2. Hey Peter, I'm dying. I saw you took a picture of Spider-Man from far away so you must clearly know him. I think his blood will probably save me so can you get it for me? NO?! I hate Spider-Man now!

3. Hey, I'm the green goblin now. Let me destroy Oscorp and head over to the power plant to find out what happened with Electro. And look, I figured out Peter is Spider-Man. Let me kill Gwen for some reason and then plan to organize the Sinister Six to destroy him. This city will never be the same again!

Yup.

Seriously! Why can't people see this? It's Spider-man so we're prone to probably like it no matter what but if you seriously look objectively at this movie you can see that it's pretty poor. There are some great moments in it and great performances but it's full of terrible stuff too. My biggest cringe is the end with all the dumb onlookers cheering "safely" behind stanchions as bullets are being splayed a mere 50 yards from them. It's like IDIOCRACY.

Yup.

 

[Dark Raven]

Wait, what is this about the santa clause burglar??



How... clever?? Obviously that worked.

Sony want the rights to this character:

They think they can turn him into a major villain. He was just pure filler. The artwork in the issue was nice though. I remember Mary Jane in a bubble bath.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

The fact we haven't heard anything from Webb, Goddard, Garfield, or Avi since TASM2 came out about ideas for TASM3 or Sinister Six shows that it likely won't happen.

**** a month after MOS, Batman/Superman was announced.

In October/December 2012, Woodley and Foxx was cast for TASM2. That's a year and 7 months before TASM2. Sinister Six is out when? October/November 2016? If casting doesn't happen in this month or April at the latest, the film is dead IMO.

 

[Marvel Spider]

Marc is in Japan right now. Could this mean anything?

 

[younglink42]

Marc is in Japan right now. Could this mean anything?

Maybe he wanted to go to Japan.

 

[Spider2099]

The fact we haven't heard anything from Webb, Goddard, Garfield, or Avi since TASM2 came out about ideas for TASM3 or Sinister Six shows that it likely won't happen.

**** a month after MOS, Batman/Superman was announced.

In October/December 2012, Woodley and Foxx was cast for TASM2. That's a year and 7 months before TASM2. Sinister Six is out when? October/November 2016? If casting doesn't happen in this month or April at the latest, the film is dead IMO.

This means that if Sinister Six does end up happening then it will probably be delayed. Hope the movie just dies and never goes into production.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Regardless of whether or not it was rushed, Harry has no legitimate reason for wanting to kill Spidey. He should realize that his beloved friend of 10 years (or 8, as Peter says) was literally trying to save his life the entire time. Instead, he wants to ruin Peter's life for no reason by attempting to kill the girl of his dreams.

Does that not bother TASM fans at all?

Well I think it would have worked out better if they had waited until ASM 3 to really explore Peter and Harry's friendship. They could have just briefly introduced Harry in ASM 2 honestly. But Harry DID have a reason for wanting to hurt Peter. Spider Man took away his hope of living when he refused to give Harry his blood. Once Harry turned into Goblin and found out that Peter was Spider Man, he wanted to hurt Peter and take away something he loved which was Gwen. Plus the Goblin formula twisted his mind to the point where he hated spider man/ peter for refusing to help him.

 

[Eggyman]

I like Koepp's idea, having two or three different versions of the same charcharacter. It's not appropriate for this situation. One quality product is needed before they think about branching out, otherwise it's just gonna be sh** being served left and right.

It isn't impossible. You can't get a big pile of money and lock it in a room, then in six months it's transformed into a masterpiece. But you can get off your arse and go out and get some talent, throw some money at a competent filmmaker with a clear vision, and then trust your initial judgement and leave them the f*** alone while they do what they're being paid to do.

Hit a nerve

 

[Daltonio]

The only thing that was made clear about his anger or the fact that he was "out of his mind" was that all of it was directed towards Oscorp. They deliberately ousted him by pinning the Max/Electro fiasco on him, and he had a legitimate reason to get back at the company.

Just because he's not in his senses, he decides to take away the "hope" of the one person that wasn't against him in the movie (outside of Felicia and Electro)?

It doesn't add up at all.

I get what you're saying, but I can't really agree. I'm not saying it makes sense that he wants to hurt Peter objectively, but for the character I thought it made perfect sense. ShadowBoxer summed it up pretty well up above. No matter if it would have worked or not, he felt betrayed. Peter was his friend and still refused to help him while he was at his most desperate and dying. By the time he's transformed into the Goblin, I think the last thing on his mind was, "Oh, Peter was just trying to help me after all." He still felt betrayed and was getting revenge on everyone, first Oscorp and then Peter.

I dunno. I bought it at least.

I agree. I do think that peter and harry needed more screen time together but when it comes to harry and why he dose what he dose he was handled greatly!

t:

Marc is in Japan right now. Could this mean anything?

Let's hope so. Fingers crossed.

 

[Spider-Who?]

The only thing that was made clear about his anger or the fact that he was "out of his mind" was that all of it was directed towards Oscorp. They deliberately ousted him by pinning the Max/Electro fiasco on him, and he had a legitimate reason to get back at the company.

Just because he's not in his senses, he decides to take away the "hope" of the one person that wasn't against him in the movie (outside of Felicia and Electro)?

It doesn't add up at all.

But Harry didn’t see Peter’s refusal to help as a good thing. WE, the audience understand Peter’s decision because we’re watching it from the hero’s perspective. But from Harry’s perspective, by flat out refusing to help, Peter is signing Harry’s death note. Peter isn’t even giving Harry a fighting chance. In Harry’s mind, Peter is making Harry’s decision for him, without even attempting to come up with a plan that could work. From Harry’s perspective the situation is:

Harry: I’m dying. The ONLY chance I have is using some of your blood. Help me, please?
Spidey: No. It’s dangerous.
Harry: Isn’t that my choice? I’m already dying…PLEASE!
Spidey: Nope.
Harry: We could run tests to make sure –
Spidey: No.
Harry: I thought you’re supposed to help people?
Spidey: That’s true. I do help people, but I’m not gonna help you.
Harry: Oh my god, I’m gonna die…
Spidey: HA! Sucker!

The ONE person that could possibly help him absolutely refuses to. From Harry’s perspective, that really is a completely dick move. Then to find out the stranger who completely destroyed your own chance to survive (and therefore made the decision to let you die miserably) is your best friend…yeah, NO ONE would take that well at all.

This, of course, completely ignores the back-and-forth love/hate mind**** the goblin serum has on Harry and Norman in the comics.

 

[Daltonio]

But Harry didn’t see Peter’s refusal to help as a good thing. WE, the audience understand Peter’s decision because we’re watching it from the hero’s perspective. But from Harry’s perspective, by flat out refusing to help, Peter is signing Harry’s death note. Peter isn’t even giving Harry a fighting chance. In Harry’s mind, Peter is making Harry’s decision for him, without even attempting to come up with a plan that could work. From Harry’s perspective the situation is:

Harry: I’m dying. The ONLY chance I have is using some of your blood. Help me, please?
Spidey: No. It’s dangerous.
Harry: Isn’t that my choice? I’m already dying…PLEASE!
Spidey: Nope.
Harry: We could run tests to make sure –
Spidey: No.
Harry: I thought you’re supposed to help people?
Spidey: That’s true. I do help people, but I’m not gonna help you.
Harry: Oh my god, I’m gonna die…
Spidey: HA! Sucker!

The ONE person that could possibly help him absolutely refuses to. From Harry’s perspective, that really is a completely dick move. Then to find out the stranger who completely destroyed your own chance to survive (and therefore made the decision to let you die miserably) is your best friend…yeah, NO ONE would take that well at all.

This, of course, completely ignores the back-and-forth love/hate mind**** the goblin serum has on Harry and Norman in the comics.

Perfectly summed up, I couldn't have put it any better.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

But Harry didn’t see Peter’s refusal to help as a good thing. WE, the audience understand Peter’s decision because we’re watching it from the hero’s perspective. But from Harry’s perspective, by flat out refusing to help, Peter is signing Harry’s death note. Peter isn’t even giving Harry a fighting chance. In Harry’s mind, Peter is making Harry’s decision for him, without even attempting to come up with a plan that could work. From Harry’s perspective the situation is:

Harry: I’m dying. The ONLY chance I have is using some of your blood. Help me, please?
Spidey: No. It’s dangerous.
Harry: Isn’t that my choice? I’m already dying…PLEASE!
Spidey: Nope.
Harry: We could run tests to make sure –
Spidey: No.
Harry: I thought you’re supposed to help people?
Spidey: That’s true. I do help people, but I’m not gonna help you.
Harry: Oh my god, I’m gonna die…
Spidey: HA! Sucker!

Disagreed. That is not how their conversation went. Spider-Man told Harry he wanted to help him but he couldn't give him his blood because instead of killing him it could turn him into something worse. Harry did not ask for any tests on Spider-Man's blood. He just try and bribe him with money instead.

The ONE person that could possibly help him absolutely refuses to. From Harry’s perspective, that really is a completely dick move. Then to find out the stranger who completely destroyed your own chance to survive (and therefore made the decision to let you die miserably) is your best friend…yeah, NO ONE would take that well at all.

That make no difference. Harry already become crazy Goblin when he found out Peter was Spider-Man.

 

[JOE]

Marc is in Japan right now. Could this mean anything?

How cool would it be if they decided on rebooting with Marvel they have it in the contact that Webb has to be involved somehow.

 

[Daltonio]

So it looks like Felicity Jones has just been cast in the first Star Wars spinoff film. Very happy for her, but I still hope we get to see her as Black Cat sometime soon.

 

[Daltonio]

How cool would it be if they decided on rebooting with Marvel they have it in the contact that Webb has to be involved somehow.

Ehhhh. I'm not sure about that. I love Marc Webb's directing but it would just seem wrong to have him back after they kick the rest of the cast and crew out in favor of a reboot. :/