Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 9

[Stormz96]

I never understood the Goomba complaints

There was a Super Mario live action film made in the early 90s. It was terrible. These are what the goombas looked like:

Even I'll admit that while I like Lizard's design, there's a similarity here

 

[Tymminator]

To this day, I still say Massee should've been Osborn.

He should've been.

It would have been great casting and would have been a no-lose situation that Sony still found a way to lose.

 

[The Joker]

Batman '89 is more comic accurate but TDK **** all over it despite the liberties Nolan takes with the titular character.

TDK is s thousand times more comic accurate. Especially regarding the Joker. I'm only on my phone here but when I get home I am going to bombard you with a plethora of irrefutable comic book scans and facts which prove it beyond a doubt.

Watch this space.

 

[chamber-music]

All comic adaptations take liberties with the source material.

People tend not to care as much if the film is good. Only a minority of the hardcore fanbase tend to have a tantrum when things aren't exactly like the comics throughout the film.

 

[Tymminator]

All comic adaptations take liberties with the source material.

People tend not to care as much if the film is good. Only a minority of the hardcore fanbase tend to have a tantrum when things aren't exactly like the comics throughout the film.

This is true, Marvel Studios, Sony, WB and Fox have all done it and will continue to do so.

The thing is to still have te spirit of the character(s) and those world, if you can still capture that, you can be forgiven.

The goal is not translate the source material exactly per say, but capture the spirit of the source material. It doesn't have to be exact, but things need to be recognizable.

For example, Hugh Jackman is not 5'3 and they didn't use effects to portray him as such, but he did such a good job as Logan, most fans can forgive that and he has been generally embraced for the part. Even in the X-Men movies that weren't so great that he popped up in, He still was pretty much still excepted for the part, nobody wanted to recast him because X-Men Origins: Wolverine was so horrible.

I think Afleck is going to nail Batman...I just have that feeling.

The issues come when there is such a departure of the spirit of the source material to the point where one could feel it was not only departed from, it was downright disrespected.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't take the Facebook casting thing seriously nor do I believe that Spidey is assured to be shared by Marvel and Sony. Anything could happen.

 

[The Joker]

All comic adaptations take liberties with the source material.

People tend not to care as much if the film is good. Only a minority of the hardcore fanbase tend to have a tantrum when things aren't exactly like the comics throughout the film.

I think it's more of a case of keeping the core spirit of the characters or stories they are adapting that lets it slide with most fans. For example I didn't give a toss that Joker wore make up in TDK because Nolan nailed the character.

But the likes of making Harry the Goblin before Norman makes a balls up of the character and the whole Goblin mythos. Not to mention killing Gwen. Harry would never kill her or anyone Peter cares about. His vengeance is aimed squarely at Peter and Peter alone. And that's because he blames him for his father's death, not because he didn't give him a blood sample to cure some stupid genetic disease.

 

[degraves93]

I don't take the Facebook casting thing seriously nor do I believe that Spidey is assured to be shared by Marvel and Sony. Anything could happen.

This.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't take the Casting Call seriously either. Too many question marks about it.

Right now we are in the same position as we were yesterday, in a holding pattern until the Summit later this month.

 

[lukebrodyg]

It's all subjective since there's several incarnations of Peter in the comics, but, for me, Tobey did a better job of portraying a young kid who gets superpowers and how he reacts to them than Andrew.

Tobey's Peter never became this overly confident, some would say cocky, version of himself. He simply became more confident. I like that approach much better.

EDIT: And the one thing so many people say they liked better about Andrew is that he was better looking. Again, I liked that Tobey wasn't the traditional handsome dude. It plays so much better for the PP/Spider-Man story IMO. I like that he's the one hero that isn't a ridiculously handsome guy like Stark, Thor, Cap, Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne (I could go on)...

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm going to wait until an official announcement from Sony or Marvel before I start believing anything.

 

[Stormz96]

We're in the same state we've been in for weeks now, nothing's changed. We know nothing. Hopefully with rumors that the sony CEO is on his way to the US to deal with company business that will change

 

[The Joker]

Joker was far more comic accurate in '89 than TDK.

And as promised:

http://jokerfans.blogspot.ie/

Now find me as many similarities between the comics and Joker in B'89 as there is in that link. Show me where Joker killed Batman's parents. Show me where he stalks Vicki Vale (or women in general) like some demented love sick stalker. Show me where he has a thing for carrying out his crimes while dancing to Prince music (or any kind of pop music).

And that's just the Joker. Should we delve into Bruce Wayne being some kind of unrecognizable hermit type? Or the non existent relationship between Batman and Gordon (and Gordon as a character in general).

I'm not going to lose sleep if Garfield is or isn't used in TASM3 or a reboot.

I don't think most people will at the end of the day. Before anyone tells me to look on twitter or something else equally as lame again to see fans petitioning that Garfield stays, we saw the same thing back in 2006/7 with Superman fans petitioning to keep Brandon Routh and the whole Superman Returns universe alive.

Look how that turned out. Nobody gives a toss. It will be the same story when the Spider-Man franchise moves on. Hopefully to greener pastures because they can't possibly get any worse with the way it is now.

I like Garfield as Spider-Man but the advantages of a Marvel reboot far outweigh the benefits of keeping Garfield on the sinking ship that is Sony's ASM. I don't think he is difficult to replace, and realistically, how many more SM movies does Garfield have in him? He's not young anymore, and I think we can all agree that SM is at its best during the adolescent years.

Unfortunately he has to be a casualty of war.

Exactly

 

[Ultron-5]

Each MCU trilogy has an overarching threat ex. HYDRA in the Captain America trilogy and The Ten Rings in the Iron Man trilogy. What can an overarching threat be in their Spider-Man series? I think a better build up to The Sinister Six would be a good idea. Each film can introduce new villains. It shouldn't be a sloppy and rushed build up like TASM2 had.

 

[The Joker]

I just heard TASM 2 was knocked off the top 10 domestic box office spot for 2014. I'm not going to lie, I find that very gratifying and justified.

 

[Nemeres]

It's all subjective since there's several incarnations of Peter in the comics, but, for me, Tobey did a better job of portraying a young kid who gets superpowers and how he reacts to them than Andrew.

Tobey's Peter never became this overly confident, some would say cocky, version of himself. He simply became more confident. I like that approach much better.

EDIT: And the one thing so many people say they liked better about Andrew is that he was better looking. Again, I liked that Tobey wasn't the traditional handsome dude. It plays so much better for the PP/Spider-Man story IMO. I like that he's the one hero that isn't a ridiculously handsome guy like Stark, Thor, Cap, Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne (I could go on)...

I liked Maguire's Peter. But confident is something he wasn't often. He was still shy, still awkward, still a total dork to the point where there was a disconnect between him and the badass in the mask who beats up crooks and saves lives every day. It's unrealistic as hell to me that even by movie 3 he was still getting teased at school, parting his hair like a dork and going to dates looking like this.

Enroll a shy kid in sports or drama classes and see how he develops. Put him in Spider-Man's shoes for a while, doing news-worthy stuff every day, and forget about it. Garfield's Peter (outgoing, quick-witted, confident x 10) seems dead-on to me. Too cocky too schmocky, I think Garfield nailed the character.

 

[spider-neil]

I just heard TASM 2 was knocked off the top 10 domestic box office spot for 2014. I'm not going to lie, I find that very gratifying and justified.

Meh. Is still in the top 10 worldwide BO for 2104.

 

[The Infernal]

Each MCU trilogy has an overarching threat ex. HYDRA in the Captain America trilogy and The Ten Rings in the Iron Man trilogy. What can an overarching threat be in their Spider-Man series? I think a better build up to The Sinister Six would be a good idea. Each film can introduce new villains. It shouldn't be a sloppy and rushed build up like TASM2 had.

I agree with this. It would be better if they set up the S6 over a couple of films. Would be better to treat it like some of sub-plots of the original Spider-man trilogy where they develop it in a more organic way over the course of a couple of movies and not just cram it in like they did with TASM2.

 

[Ultron-5]

They can introduce villains like Shocker and Rhino in opening sequences where Spidey stops them from robbing a bank or something like that. Then we are introduced to the big baddie like Doc Ock or Vulture.

 

[The Infernal]

That didn't work out so well for Rhino the last time they did that. I'm not saying people like Rhino need a deep back story (and certainly not one that ties into Peter's personal life), but they should still fit into the overall story rather than be shoehorned in. A proper introduction and a role that fits in with the story (like being a henchman to the villain) rather than an opening sequence fight would be more ideal.

 

[Ultron-5]

That didn't work out so well for Rhino the last time they did that. I'm not saying people like Rhino need a deep back story (and certainly not one that ties into Peter's personal life), but they should still fit into the overall story rather than be shoehorned in. A proper introduction and a role that fits in with the story (like being a henchman to the villain) rather than an opening sequence fight would be more ideal.

Yeah, I guess you're right. They ruined Rhino so much in the last movie that if they want the GA to give a crap about a villain like Rhino they should
A. Make him a henchmen or a partner in crime for the big baddie, or
B. Make him a legitimate threat, show him give Spidey some cuts and bruises, and
C. Don't make him a campy, cheesy villain! Make him an intimidating villain!

 

[GuestStar2004]

I liked Maguire's Peter. But confident is something he wasn't often. He was still shy, still awkward, still a total dork to the point where there was a disconnect between him and the badass in the mask who beats up crooks and saves lives every day. It's unrealistic as hell to me that even by movie 3 he was still getting teased at school, parting his hair like a dork and going to dates looking like this.

Yeah I think that was always the issue for me with toby

 

[The Infernal]

Yeah, I guess you're right. They ruined Rhino so much in the last movie that if they want the GA to give a crap about a villain like Rhino they should
A. Make him a henchmen or a partner in crime for the big baddie, or
B. Make him a legitimate threat, show him give Spidey some cuts and bruises, and
C. Don't make him a campy, cheesy villain! Make him an intimidating villain!

Some good points.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Oh come on you're a big guy Doc! I did not "insult" you .
Maybe I'm rude, yes. But It's because you're narrow minded! Yes!

You did insult me calling me narrow minded, saying I am just a guy who loves Raimi movies and nothing else. That I don't know what I'm talking about and nothing I say makes sense.

You are not just rude to me but you are also a troll Mirals.

Look, you still didn't explained the "hipster acting" thing ... I mean, I'm very curious to know what it is. Explain us. No, seriously, I'm just pointing out the weaknesses of your arguments.

... Really, do I really need to argue?? On the hipster acting thing? The skateboard? Andrew Garfield? The teenage vibe?

You are not pointing out weakness. All you said was my whole post was wrong and makes no sense. You did not go into detail and try and tackle the points I made to show why they don't make sense. You take the easy way out and just say it all doesn't make sense and avoid justifying why you believe that. You did not ask me to explain it. You just insulted it and my whole post. If you want me to explain I will.

Peter Parker isn't suppose to be some cool guy wearing a Ramones T-shirt or an American Eagle outfit. Peter Parker does not skateboard around with ear phones on. He doesn't sit wearing a hoodie in his class.

(And yes, I'm so sorry the be rude at you but your posts are kinda annoying at times. )

So are yours and a lot of other people's but I don't be rude to them. I can make my point without being rude.

Wait, so "I don't just love Raimi movies. I love the comics, Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, 90's Spider-Man cartoon too. I hate USM cartoon and ASM movies." was your argument ? ...

No that was not part of my original argument. That was my answer to your lies you made up about me only liking Raimi movies.

subtly try to highlight the weak points of your argument and you keep ignoring them. Oh well.

You are not subtle you are rude and you even admitted that. You did not try to point out anything for me you just called my post wrong and stupid. That is why I said you did not have a good argument because you did not try and give reasons by addressing all of the parts you think are wrong and showing why you think they are wrong Mirals.

I liked Maguire's Peter. But confident is something he wasn't often. He was still shy, still awkward, still a total dork to the point where there was a disconnect between him and the badass in the mask who beats up crooks and saves lives every day. It's unrealistic as hell to me that even by movie 3 he was still getting teased at school, parting his hair like a dork and going to dates looking like this.

Enroll a shy kid in sports or drama classes and see how he develops. Put him in Spider-Man's shoes for a while, doing news-worthy stuff every day, and forget about it. Garfield's Peter (outgoing, quick-witted, confident x 10) seems dead-on to me. Too cocky too schmocky, I think Garfield nailed the character.

Disagreed. The only times Peter lacked confidence and became shy was when he was around MJ because of how he felt about her romantically. Apart from that he was never lacking it. And being a dork, Peter Parker is always a dork, before and after Spider-Man. That is part of the character's charm. He's still a nerd. Except he has powers.

Peter's hair never changed before and after Spider-Man:

90's cartoon Peter and Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon Peter did not change their hair either.

Peter still got teased and picked on all the way into college in the comics. By Flash, and even Harry initially.

I do not know what is wrong with jeans, a sweater and shirt for a date, especially to meet someone you're already dating.

Enroll a shy kid in sports or drama classes and see how he develops. Put him in Spider-Man's shoes for a while, doing news-worthy stuff every day, and forget about it. Garfield's Peter (outgoing, quick-witted, confident x 10) seems dead-on to me. Too cocky too schmocky, I think Garfield nailed the character.

Garfield Peter was too cocky and confident before he became Spider-Man. Garfield's Parker was listening to headphones and skateboarding through school halls even when he told not to. Standing up to Flash Thompson when he was bullying another kid.

He only got worse when he got his powers because he showed off more with them. He is the most unlikable Peter Parker ever.

 

[Daltonio]

Standing up to Flash Thompson when he was bullying another kid.
...

He is the most unlikable Peter Parker ever.

What?