The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - Part 11

[Drummerdude7]

Having just watched the trailers there i'm going to with the....

"what you really are"
"Play god" &
"Have you told him about his father"

actually being his father.

Do you mean you think it's Peter's dad saying those lines?

"What you really are" --> 99% sure that's Ratha. I recognize Irfan Khan's voice.

"Play god" ---> 100% Connors saying this. We see him saying it in the trailer.

"Did you tell the boy about his father?" is Michael Massee in his unspecified role.

 

[chaseter]

haha I don't think that at all. Hahaha.....ha .ha...haha. you must really love the raimi movies. Ive always thought they missed their mark. But those faults in the raimi trilogy is why I'm happy we have a reboot.

You just posted that Sam Raimi had a hand in why we have a reboot. You think Sony saw all his awful ideas and scrapped SM4 because of them. You then list all the stuff you think Sam did wrong as evidence as to why Sony decided to reboot. You think Sony shares all your exact sentiments. How on Earth do studio execs share the exact same sentiments as Internet fanboys? SM1 and 2 were revered and loved by critics and the GA alike and SM3 got an ok reception from critics and the GA. The only people that hated SM3 were Sony execs and Internet fanboys.

Wait a minute here Mike, follow me. If Sony didn't listen to the Internet fanboys, yet they came to the exact same conclusion on rebooting as the Internet fanboys did, then the Sony Execs are Internet fanboys! We solved the case Mike!

That is the most laughably idiotic argument I have seen on here. Congrats Mike.

 

[Drummerdude7]

I have big respect for Raimi's trilogy. There were quite a few times where he managed to capture the spirit of Spider-Man, and at other times he missed the mark. That's not to say the films were bad by any stretch, though, and the train sequence in SM2 still blows my mind to this day. ASM, however, has the advantage of being able to study the previous trilogy and analyze what worked, what didn't, and what they think could work better...and so far it looks to be capturing exactly what i've wanted in a SM film.

 

[Mike]

You just posted that Sam Raimi had a hand in why we have a reboot. You think Sony saw all his awful ideas and scrapped SM4 because of them. You then list all the stuff you think Sam did wrong as evidence as to why Sony decided to reboot. You think Sony shares all your exact sentiments. How on Earth do studio execs share the exact same sentiments as Internet fanboys? SM1 and 2 were revered and loved by critics and the GA alike and SM3 got an ok reception from critics and the GA. The only people that hated SM3 were Sony execs and Internet fanboys.

Wait a minute here Mike, follow me. If Sony didn't listen to the Internet fanboys, yet they came to the exact same conclusion on rebooting as the Internet fanboys did, then the Sony Execs are Internet fanboys! We solved the case Mike!

That is the most laughably idiotic argument I have seen on here. Congrats Mike.

lol dude chill. We have different opinions and in no way did I say the reasons I didnt like the raimi-man movies were the sole reason why Sony axed the sequal. But if you want to call someone idiotic, your getting defensive over a movie about a kid in red and blue tights....who went Emo at one point in his life. that's pretty ****##g stupid on your part buddy. Hey we are on the same boat. Want to take turns with the paddle? Lol

 

[chaseter]

Your opinion that Sony cancelled SM4 because of Raimi's awful ideas and track record is not only dumb, it's flat out wrong. You can have the opinion that the Earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs died because they couldn't fit on Noah's Ark but it doesn't mean that opinion isn't silly and wrong according to facts. From inside sources, news stories, and Raimi himself, he left because he didn't like the script and Sony wanted Vulturess. If you want to believe otherwise with nothing but feelings to back that up then whatever.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

For me...

Raimi = Geek gets powers feels guilt so becomes superhero against the world. (Elseworlds)

Webb = Outsider orphan gets powers and decides to become superhero off his own back. (Real world)

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Your opinion that Sony cancelled SM4 because of Raimi's awful ideas and track record is not only dumb, it's flat out wrong. You can have the opinion that the Earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs died because they couldn't fit on Noah's Ark but it doesn't mean that opinion isn't silly and wrong according to facts. From inside sources, news stories, and Raimi himself, he left because he didn't like the script and Sony wanted Vulturess. If you want to believe otherwise with nothing but feelings to back that up then whatever.

I have a question and there's no sarcasm here but what bad ideas can we attribute to him and which to the studio? It was my belief that everything coming out about spider man 4 was hearsay and I normally don't pay attention to hearsay because both sides have their versions of the truth and then there's the truth, but was the vulture taking over the bugle his idea or the studio? Or the rumor of spider man killing someone. Or even he and MJ having a kid. Hopefully someone can answer that for me

 

[Mike]

Your opinion that Sony cancelled SM4 because of Raimi's awful ideas and track record is not only dumb, it's flat out wrong. You can have the opinion that the Earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs died because they couldn't fit on Noah's Ark but it doesn't mean that opinion isn't silly and wrong according to facts. From inside sources, news stories, and Raimi himself, he left because he didn't like the script and Sony wanted Vulturess. If you want to believe otherwise with nothing but feelings to back that up then whatever.

OK guy. You clearly want to argue. Again no on said why I disliked the raimi movies is the main reason why raimi was canned. Could it have played a small part sure.but You make sure you take this chill pills three times a day...with meals. Have a good day

 

[Mike]

Raimi had a hand in his creative differences with Sony. Were those ideas good ideas in his movie ? Hmmmmm not all of em. Sony isn't innocent either.but I read Raimi wanted the walking on sunshine song playing during the openining scene of sm4 lol

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Raimi had a hand in his creative differences with Sony. Were those ideas good ideas in his movie ? Hmmmmm not all of em. I hears he wanted the walking on sunshine song playing during the openining scene of sm4 lol

Well anytime there are creative differences between two parties, both are at fault for something, that's how I always saw it. I'm sure there were things the studio wanted to do that he disagreed with and things he wanted to do they disagreed with, I just wouldn't lay blame at one set of feet without laying some at another also. There were ideas he executed in spider-man 3 that I didn't like but at the same time, Venom was forced in his lap but like I said before, the studio can force a director to put in certain characters but it's up to the director to make it work and make something compelling out of it. I feel like this argument about who was more at fault is going to continue because it's more taking sides instead of going with facts which we don't have, just rumors at this point.

 

[Dragon]

For me...

Raimi = Geek gets powers feels guilt so becomes superhero against the world. (Elseworlds)

And a couple of guys named Stan Lee and Steve Ditko.

Webb = Outsider orphan gets powers and decides to become superhero off his own back. (Real world)

And Superman.

 

[Mike]

Well anytime there are creative differences between two parties, both are at fault for something, that's how I always saw it. I'm sure there were things the studio wanted to do that he disagreed with and things he wanted to do they disagreed with, I just wouldn't lay blame at one set of feet without laying some at another also. There were ideas he executed in spider-man 3 that I didn't like but at the same time, Venom was forced in his lap but like I said before, the studio can force a director to put in certain characters but it's up to the director to make it work and make something compelling out of it. I feel like this argument about who was more at fault is going to continue because it's more taking sides instead of going with facts which we don't have, just rumors at this point.

absolutely

 

[Spiderdevil]

I'm glad Tobey Maguire is out. He will forever be defined as the cry baby who decided to sniff a suitcase full of meth for his dance scene in SP3. Either that, or he was drunk out of his mind.

Cut him some slack please
It is Idiotic to assume Andrew wont cry when Uncle Ben or Harry Dies
I dont get this criticism about Sam and Tobey,for all of this talk,all 3 of his films earned in excess of 800million dollars and is one of the most successful trilogy to date.For all we know ASM could crash at the box office and earn nothing at all
Yes tobey wasnt a good peter looks wise but you cant blame him for that,IMO he did justice to the role acting wise and did what the script required of him

 

[Spiderdevil]

Also Sam's Spidey was dickish aswell,I dont get this 'dull' spidey criticism(Did your husband give it to you?,Let mom and dad talk Jonah,I am the sheriff in these parts)

 

[chaseter]

I have a question and there's no sarcasm here but what bad ideas can we attribute to him and which to the studio? It was my belief that everything coming out about spider man 4 was hearsay and I normally don't pay attention to hearsay because both sides have their versions of the truth and then there's the truth, but was the vulture taking over the bugle his idea or the studio? Or the rumor of spider man killing someone. Or even he and MJ having a kid. Hopefully someone can answer that for me

Vulturess was the end all be all bad ideas that would have made me not see the movie. I would have literally not given that movie one cent. That was Sony's idea. Raimi wanted Black Cat and they said no. Shockingly, they were looking at Hathaway for Black Cat.

Raimi wanted Peter and MJ to settle down and have a baby. People on here threw a fit over that even though it's the natural progression of the character and comic accurate.

Raimi is a huge Spidey nerd. He is the last person I would see wanting to ruin the character when compared to Sony higher ups. He nailed golden age Peter Parker and he made 2 movies everyone revered and one that was ok after studio interference. To think he was then the reasons behind an awful sounding SM4 with the likes of Vulturess is not Raimi. It's all just the silly bandwagon effect from fanboys. It's funny, seeing all the people on here call others haters for not liking the suit or saying how dumb people on Facebook are for tearing down this movie when they were doing the exact same thing on here 2 years ago. They were the first too damn SM4 from plot rumors but are now champions of something they haven't seen. I would have given SM4 a fair shot, aside from Vulturess, and I will give this movie a fair shot. All this Raimi or Webb sucks is stupid. Then again it's the Internet.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Raimi was cgi crazy? Do you have eyes? Look at the trailer for this movie....it's a cgi bonanza. The budget for this movie is rumored at $200+ million. The entire final fight looks to be all cgi. The lizard is all cgi. Most of the swinging scenes look cgi like Raimi's movies. Are you that delusional?

Ex-****ing-xactly

Actually I have no problems with CGI unless it looks too cartoonish like avatar
People are forgetting that SM1 was 10 years earlier,they didnt have this much technology as they have now

 

[chaseter]

I don't have problems with it either if it looks good. Some spots in SM1-2 now look a bit dated sadly.

 

[Dragon]

Well anytime there are creative differences between two parties, both are at fault for something, that's how I always saw it. I'm sure there were things the studio wanted to do that he disagreed with and things he wanted to do they disagreed with, I just wouldn't lay blame at one set of feet without laying some at another also. There were ideas he executed in spider-man 3 that I didn't like but at the same time, Venom was forced in his lap but like I said before, the studio can force a director to put in certain characters but it's up to the director to make it work and make something compelling out of it. I feel like this argument about who was more at fault is going to continue because it's more taking sides instead of going with facts which we don't have, just rumors at this point.

That's really not true. The studios hold all the cards and yet as business execs have very little creativity or skill and the directors are left trying to make sense out of their money-based decisions and sometimes just can't.

There are many examples of studio execs saddling directors with bad choices
(e.g.: Fox nixing Sentinels and Galactus) or making overall poor choices such as wanting Tim Burton to make the Bat films more kid-friendly- and thus we got the Schumacher Batman films. Forcing Raimi to cram Venom into three left him with little to work with.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

That's really not true. The studios hold all the cards and yet as business execs have very little creativity or skill and the directors are left trying to make sense out of their money-based decisions and sometimes just can't.

There are many examples of studio execs saddling directors with bad choices
(e.g.: Fox nixing Sentinels and Galactus) or making overall poor choices such as wanting Tim Burton to make the Bat films more kid-friendly- and thus we got the Schumacher Batman films. Forcing Raimi to cram Venom into three left him with little to work with.

Of course there are instances where it is fault more on one side than the other but that doesn't mean that directors are NEVER at fault for creative differences and I'm not even saying those differences are bad or good, just saying both parties disagree. Again, forcing Venom into the movie was a bad idea but when I look at the credits, who's name is credited as the writer for the movie? Sam and his brother, thus it's their decisions what to do with the character from a creative standpoint, not the studio. Venom should've never been mandated but since he was, it's on the director/writer to make it work and they didn't do that. That doesn't make me piss on the whole trilogy though, that's not my style, but there are issues I have with it

 

[webhead9707]

Also Sam's Spidey was dickish aswell,I dont get this 'dull' spidey criticism(Did your husband give it to you?,Let mom and dad talk Jonah,I am the sheriff in these parts)

Congratulations, you've just quoted 3/5 quips from the ENTIRE trilogy.xD

 

[BatSpider]

I don't have problems with it either if it looks good. Some spots in SM1-2 now look a bit dated sadly.

Welcome to movies...

 

[Anno_Domini]

Are you guys serious? Sam raimi had a hand on why we have a reboot. Just look at all the spider-man films. I'm glad we have a reboot. Did everyone really want a sm4? Raimi has always been cgi crazy. He wanted a special effects extravaganza in the likes of avatar for sm4.

dude raimi is responsible for the following.

Organic webbing
Emo Peter Parker
Silent spider-man
Green Goblin.s power ranger suit
Sandman as uncle bens killer
The trilogy being a huge donner superman ripoff
Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man
kirsten dunst as Mary Jane
Raindrops keep falling on my head scene.
The abomination of venom!

Seriously man....you're just pulling **** out of your ass.

 

[elsewhere]

I don't have problems with it either if it looks good. Some spots in SM1-2 now look a bit dated sadly.

There are several shots that looked dated even back then. Whoever they hired did a poor job.

 

[craigdbfan]

There are several shots that looked dated even back then.

Sort of like how the Lizard already looks dated.

Spider-Man's movements and webslinging however I really like and think looks pretty good. That's probably going to be the highlight of this movie for me.

 

[Oscorp]

I don't really get all the complaints about Peter crying.

1) When Uncle Ben dies. I would be more displeased if Peter didn't cry. Who wouldn't cry in such a situation, seriously? At that moment, I would cry even more than he did. I would cry for weeks!

2) When MJ breaks up with him for no reason. If I were together with the girl of my dreams and she suddenly, out of nowhere, breaks up with me and says there's another guy she's fallen in love with, I probably wouldn't cry but be more shocked and probably a bit mad. I'd however cry later that night I think, so I still understand him. So yes, I think him crying there is nothing wrong at all.

3) When Harry, his best friend, dies. Nothing need to be said here. Again, who wouldn't cry in such a situation? My only problem is that Tobey looks like a goose when he cries there.