The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 2

[Anno_Domini]

Want homoerotic threads? Go back to all the Tom Hardy as Bane threads...lol.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Too deep of a voice??? For JJJ? And just because he plays cowboys a lot doesn't mean he can't play JJJ. Just haven't seen him play this type of role yet.

I think he can get angry and loud enough. He's been acting for 40 years, I wouldn't doubt his range

He had his chance with "GHOST RIDER" and "HULK." Let someone else have a shot.

I stand by my choices. Ted Levine, R. Lee Ermey, William H. Macy, or Chris Cooper would make fine Jonahs.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Actually, Webb doesn't have to prove anything to you or me or anyone for that matter as long as the movie rakes in whole loada cash for Sony to dribble over.

Joking and sarcasm aside I actually think everything you wrote is a fair point up until the second bolded part. Everything you have seen thus far is only eh to ok?

To me, everything so far looks good to great on how this movie is shaping up. So far I think Marc is hitting the nail on the head, we have what looks to be a great story, the cinematography looks good, and a flippin fantastic cast, not to mention a wise-cracker and quipping Spidey and all of what I've heard of the portrayal of the Lizard plus that image we got ages ago of Rys Ifans in sewers sounds great to me. Now I know I could be wrong and this could end up being a major flop, but everyrthing we have so far is pointing otherwise. Now I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and whatnot but I'm asking honestly because I'm curious, why do you feel just ok with this movie?

I agree with you but I also understand what Chaseter is saying. TDKR is coming at the heels of two already very successful Batman movies both with a large fan base and critical acclaim. It's much easier to believe that Nolan will do the third film justice because he hasn't shown anything to make you think otherwise. There's always the possibility TDKR will go SM3 on us but I highly doubt it. It may end up not being as good as TDK but it will most likely be an excellent movie.

I also think with regards to Webb and Spidey that so far, and I say that with meaning, so far he has shown us all the things that would make a great Spidey film. Just go down the list...strong actors, proper introductions of Peter's parents and Gwen Stacy, Capt Stacy, the use of mechanical web shooters, the heavy use of practical effects over CGI, etc. From what we've seen in all the leaks and releases about the movie and also the comments from those who saw the CC footage, everything points to this movie being good. Even with all that pointed towards a good thing we do not have a finished product that we've actually seen to comment on and say OK. I truly believe Webb will do us Spidey fans justice but a lot remains to be seen.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Nothing so far has indicated that it will be. It looks like it will break the trilogy curse.

No nipples on the batsuit. Check.

Reception, not effects and costume quality

Did you watch the trailer with a blindfold on?

A strong guy making an earthquake in a football field?

What even makes you think it'll be another awful third CBM? Nothing shows it to be just that. The trailer still keeps it as a grounded film as TDK was and there's nothing silly to make it a tragedy as every single third CBM does have. Go ahead, name every third film...there's always some silly little element that makes it a catastrophe. TDKR doesn't have that so far.

It doesn't look like it will be the masterful sequel it should be, but I'll wait to see how wrong I am

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

From everything I've read and seen about TASM, I expect a terrific film. Better then TDKR and the Avengers. Feeling it. Yes.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Reception, not effects and costume quality

The reception will obviously be high, imo.

A strong guy making an earthquake in a football field?

It's not an earthquake machine. We've known for some time it's just some type of bomb and what happened at the stadium were mines or something that made the ground collapse. It wasn't some kind of earthquake machine.

It doesn't look like it will be the masterful sequel it should be, but I'll wait to see how wrong I am

It looks like a masterpiece to me already, imo. Everything is perfect from what I've seen of the trailer and the prologue.

 

[craigdbfan]

The reception will obviously be high, imo.





It's not an earthquake machine. We've known for some time it's just some type of bomb and what happened at the stadium were mines or something that made the ground collapse. It wasn't some kind of earthquake machine.



It looks like a masterpiece to me already, imo. Everything is perfect from what I've seen of the trailer and the prologue.

 

[Curmudgeon]

That bit with the football field makes me laugh. It made my friend laugh too when we saw it with Sherlock Holmes.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

That bit with the football field makes me laugh. It made my friend laugh too when we saw it with Sherlock Holmes.

yes. I was underwhelmed by the trailer myself. But then I feel that way about Nolan in general minus Memento.

 

[spider-neil]

with regards to TDKR, it will more than likely be excellent because it is pretty stand alone and nolan can go in whatever direction he chooses.
he can tie up th dent/2 face plotline with a single scene and then move on.
also the 2nd ended on a dour note (like empire strikes back) but can end on high not as batman triumphs.

compare with SM3, there was a MASSIVE unresolved plotline with GG2 that had to be tackled (sam tried to kick it into touch with harry in a coma) sandman was left over from the previous script and avi arad insisted on venom. none of the villians are even remotely connected and venom has one of the most complex back stories in comic history. also SM2 ended on a high note to gie the movie some emotional depth they had to take spidey down a peg which would take up screen time. the movie was doomed.

hindsight is a wonderful thing buth SM3 would have been far better off forgetting about venom entirely, pushing venom into a seperate movie as the main villain so time and care could be spent on his back story.

sandman should have been a petty villan to be dispatched asap. there should have been no sick daughter plotline which goes absolutely no where.

GG2 would then have more screen time to play out the revenge plotline.

anyway, what's done is done. I just don't see TDKR falling into the same pitfalls of superhero third movies because nolan is coming at the movie as wanting to tell a good story where as;

blade 3 - wanted to introduce the nightstalkers a potential offshot of blade
SM3 - wanted to introduce a fan favorite in venom
superman 3 - wanted to introduce comedy in richard pryor
batman forever - wanted to introduce a light batman after the dark batman returns

no, TDKR will be fine but I will say that if the movie fails there is going to be a backlash (amoung fandom) like there was a backlash for SM3. there always is when a succesful franchise suddenly jumps the shark.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Want homoerotic threads? Go back to all the Tom Hardy as Bane threads...lol.

This, lol.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I also think with regards to Webb and Spidey that so far, and I say that with meaning, so far he has shown us all the things that would make a great Spidey film. Just go down the list...strong actors, proper introductions of Peter's parents and Gwen Stacy, Capt Stacy, the use of mechanical web shooters, the heavy use of practical effects over CGI, etc.

Actually, I think the use of practical stunts over CGI is something to worry about, there is a good chance that Spidey could come across as any old martial artist onscreen, the fact is, that Spidey should be doing things onscreen that no human is capable of doing. Look at the way crooks react to him in the books 'He's not human! No-one can move that fast!'

The use of practical effects feels like a money saving endevour more than an aesthetic choice.
Also, that full length trailer, it is a little worrying that we saw no Spider-man action, all we got was that p.o.v shot, which, kind of looks like something designed for a 3D thrill ride, more like a ride at the carnival, than a new and interesting way of realising the character's unique physicality onscreen.

I do like the idea of a more serious toned Spidey film, that is a plus for me, but I am worried that it will be one of those serious toned dramas that just, somehow, does not draw you in.
the first Spidey was great for that, because it immediately drew you into Pete's story, and got you on his side.
I just hope this one is not too mopey, too sombre, because that can also work against the storytelling, people can end up feeling like they want to give the character a kick up the arse.
see, the lighthearted humourous moments in the Raimi flick ensured that did not happen.
but, y'know, there will be a wisecracking Spidey, so there is that, I just mean the origin story though, because the trialer did give the sense of that part being very sombre.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Actually, I think the use of practical stunts over CGI is something to worry about, there is a good chance that Spidey could come across as any old martial artist onscreen, the fact is, that Spidey should be doing things onscreen that no human is capable of doing. Look at the way crooks react to him in the books 'He's not human! No-one can move that fast!'

The use of practical effects feels like a money saving endevour more than an aesthetic choice.
Also, that full length trailer, it is a little worrying that we saw no Spider-man action, all we got was that p.o.v shot, which, kind of looks like something designed for a 3D thrill ride, more like a ride at the carnival, than a new and interesting way of realising the character's unique physicality onscreen.

I do like the idea of a more serious toned Spidey film, that is a plus for me, but I am worried that it will be one of those serious toned dramas that just, somehow, does not draw you in.
the first Spidey was great for that, because it immediately drew you into Pete's story, and got you on his side.
I just hope this one is not too mopey, too sombre, because that can also work against the storytelling, people can end up feeling like they want to give the character a kick up the arse.

This one is my favorite.

I'm not worried about the way that Spidey will move in the movie at all. The set pictures and set videos of the stunts alone have convinced me that it'll look great. Besides, I'm glad that they're practically doing some of the stunts. There's always a sense of weightlessness to the character when a CG character is used in the place of a real actor/stuntman.

Spider-Man will move like the Spider-Man we all know and love in this movie.

 

[SpideyFan866]

This one is my favorite.

I'm not worried about the way that Spidey will move in the movie at all. The set pictures and set videos of the stunts alone have convinced me that it'll look great. Besides, I'm glad that they're practically doing some of the stunts. There's always a sense of weightlessness to the character when a CG character is used in the place of a real actor/stuntman.

Spider-Man will move like the Spider-Man we all know and love in this movie.

Agreed. Plus, everyone who saw the footage from SDCC said the practical web swinging was awesome.t:

 

[SpideyFan866]

That bit with the football field makes me laugh. It made my friend laugh too when we saw it with Sherlock Holmes.

I died laughing when I first saw that. That one bit ruins that whole trailer for me.

Seeing Hines Ward running and then turning aroung like "WUH?!?!?!? " is hysterical.

 

[SpideyFan866]

with regards to TDKR, it will more than likely be excellent because it is pretty stand alone and nolan can go in whatever direction he chooses.
he can tie up th dent/2 face plotline with a single scene and then move on.
also the 2nd ended on a dour note (like empire strikes back) but can end on high not as batman triumphs.

compare with SM3, there was a MASSIVE unresolved plotline with GG2 that had to be tackled (sam tried to kick it into touch with harry in a coma) sandman was left over from the previous script and avi arad insisted on venom. none of the villians are even remotely connected and venom has one of the most complex back stories in comic history. also SM2 ended on a high note to gie the movie some emotional depth they had to take spidey down a peg which would take up screen time. the movie was doomed.

hindsight is a wonderful thing buth SM3 would have been far better off forgetting about venom entirely, pushing venom into a seperate movie as the main villain so time and care could be spent on his back story.

sandman should have been a petty villan to be dispatched asap. there should have been no sick daughter plotline which goes absolutely no where.

GG2 would then have more screen time to play out the revenge plotline.

anyway, what's done is done. I just don't see TDKR falling into the same pitfalls of superhero third movies because nolan is coming at the movie as wanting to tell a good story where as;

blade 3 - wanted to introduce the nightstalkers a potential offshot of blade
SM3 - wanted to introduce a fan favorite in venom
superman 3 - wanted to introduce comedy in richard pryor
batman forever - wanted to introduce a light batman after the dark batman returns

no, TDKR will be fine but I will say that if the movie fails there is going to be a backlash (amoung fandom) like there was a backlash for SM3. there always is when a succesful franchise suddenly jumps the shark.

Agreed on all fronts.

I do have to say however that SM3 felt very conclusive to me. The main plot thread of the series (the whole Goblin legacy) ended with Harry's death.

Honestly, considering Raimi's love of the 60s runs on Spidey more than anything, I really couldn't see Raimi and co. making another solid Spidey after SM3, which I actually really like and fine in many parts just a guilty pleasure. Also, I feel that since Raimi's Spidey films were a love letter to the 60s run on Spidey (even down to the 60s nerd cliches rather than modern outsider nerd aspects), the Venom saga (which was very edgy and modern) wouldn't have worked in any of the films. The established style for the Raimi films wouldn't have allowed for it.

The more modern, edgier TASM, I think, can do Venom's story much better.

Anyways, SM3 wrapped things up for that series for me. Any furthur sequels would have felt like a forced sequel made simply for making money.

 

[cryptic name]

Love the new pic, and I really, really love that suit. I can't wait to see it in action.

Same here. It may have some cosmetic design differences, but when I see Garfield (or the stuntmen) in this suit, it looks more like Spider-Man come to life than any previous live action attempt.

 

[Marvel Spider]

Cryptic, what did you think of the swinging in the SDCC footage?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Agreed on all fronts.

I do have to say however that SM3 felt very conclusive to me. The main plot thread of the series (the whole Goblin legacy) ended with Harry's death.

Honestly, considering Raimi's love of the 60s runs on Spidey more than anything, I really couldn't see Raimi and co. making another solid Spidey after SM3, which I actually really like and fine in many parts just a guilty pleasure. Also, I feel that since Raimi's Spidey films were a love letter to the 60s run on Spidey (even down to the 60s nerd cliches rather than modern outsider nerd aspects), the Venom saga (which was very edgy and modern) wouldn't have worked in any of the films. The established style for the Raimi films wouldn't have allowed for it.

The more modern, edgier TASM, I think, can do Venom's story much better.

Anyways, SM3 wrapped things up for that series for me. Any furthur sequels would have felt like a forced sequel made simply for making money.

Not to mention the low-key ending (not the death and all that, but the lack of a final swing, it ending with MJ taking Peter's hand... I think it was supposed to be assumed that they got married or something). The death of Harry amongst a few other things in Spider-Man 3 was done really well, imo.

Same here. It may have some cosmetic design differences, but when I see Garfield (or the stuntmen) in this suit, it looks more like Spider-Man come to life than any previous live action attempt.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I'm not worried about the way that Spidey will move in the movie at all. The set pictures and set videos of the stunts alone have convinced me that it'll look great. Besides, I'm glad that they're practically doing some of the stunts. There's always a sense of weightlessness to the character when a CG character is used in the place of a real actor/stuntman.

Spider-Man will move like the Spider-Man we all know and love in this movie.

Yeah, I can see why you are not worried, you haven't given it enough thought.
You've posted pics of him swinging on a rope...big deal. What I am talking about is his physical dexterity, his faster than humanly possible movements and reactions, which can only be achieved by CGI.
There is no way on earth that the best Spidey action scenes in the Raimi trilogy(which are still the best action scenes in any sh/cb adaptation) could be done using stuntmen.
He could easily come across as a very human martial artist/acrobat.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Same here. It may have some cosmetic design differences, but when I see Garfield (or the stuntmen) in this suit, it looks more like Spider-Man come to life than any previous live action attempt.

Agreed. Design changes or not, Garfield looks more like Spidey than any previous attempt a live action version.

Many may say that Raimi's was better but to other than a slightly better suit (it still had MANY flaws), Raimi's version of Spidey was just too bulky. He was bulkier than he had ever even been in the comics. On top of that, Raimi's Spidey got bulkier with each film, resulting in this infamous picure:

Spidey should never look overly bulky nor should it be EXTREMELY obvious that there is any type of muscle padding one the actor (which there shouldn't be in the first place.)

 

[SpideyFan866]

Not to mention the low-key ending (not the death and all that, but the lack of a final swing, it ending with MJ taking Peter's hand... I think it was supposed to be assumed that they got married or something). The death of Harry amongst a few other things in Spider-Man 3 was done really well, imo.

Exactly. That ending which rather than being a final swing into another adventure, was low-key and emotional and it really felt like it we were getting a finality to Mary Jane and Peter's story of "Will he or Won't he get the girl?" with him finally getting her.

I would have been upset if SM4 came out and ruined that, especially with the rumors that swirled about Peter and Mary Jane breaking up and Gwen being the new love interest w/ Felecia as the foil.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Yeah, I can see why you are not worried, you haven't given it enough thought.
You've posted pics of him swinging on a rope...big deal. What I am talking about is his physical dexterity, his faster than humanly possible movements and reactions, which can only be achieved by CGI.
There is no way on earth that the best Spidey action scenes in the Raimi trilogy(which are still the best action scenes in any sh/cb adaptation) could be done using stuntmen.
He could easily come across as a very human martial artist/acrobat.

To assume that they're not going to use CGI for Spider-Man when needed also shows that you haven't given it enough thought.

Somethings are far too dangerous and/or impossible for an actor and/or stuntman to do. But the fact that they're trying to add a weight to the character in the way that he moves (when possible, of course) is a very good thing.

Here's a an excerpt from an interview with Vic Armstrong, the stunt coordinator on The Amazing Spider-Man.

"When Spider-Man swings from one direction, then turns to swing another direction he’s pulling at 2 to 2 ½ Gs. That’s a lot of pressure on his body, but you see that on the body. You see the arms straightening out, you see the legs straightening out and then he pulls them back up as he then goes back up into his flying position.

You sense, subconsciously, the realism. You know. The eye and the brain is a funny thing. You only need something slightly off kilter for you to say, “Oh! Alarm-alarm-alarm! Something’s not right!” If somebody has one eye a quarter-inch higher, it’s not a lot, but straightaway the whole thing is out of balance and you see that in CG. When you see somebody swinging for real, then you look at the CG version your computer brain instantly tells you which is which."

 

[terry78]

Basically there is no way a real person short of an extreme contortionist could do what Parker does in the books with the swinging.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Exactly. That ending which rather than being a final swing into another adventure, was low-key and emotional and it really felt like it we were getting a finality to Mary Jane and Peter's story of "Will he or Won't he get the girl?" with him finally getting her.

I would have been upset if SM4 came out and ruined that, especially with the rumors that swirled about Peter and Mary Jane breaking up and Gwen being the new love interest w/ Felecia as the foil.

Agreed completely.