The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 5

[AbsractPo3tic]

I thought we were going to get married. Well, I've got news for you, mister! I don't need you! You need me!

Gwen, you will always be my first love, you know that. But you have so many guys coming after you, I figured you were occupied elsewhere.

 

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

Gwen, you will always be my first love, you know that. But you have so many guys coming after you, I figured you were occupied elsewhere.

I'm so sorry. Let's get married!

 

[Immortalfire]

Agreed GG/Norman Osborn is definately Spider-Mans Joker, but in terms of popularity, I have to say Venom, as he's definately alot more apparant on the GA's mind. (ask any non-comic regular member of the GA who Spider-Mans villain is, they'll most likely say Venom.)

Dr. Octopus has always been considered by me to be Spider-villain #1.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ He's definitely Spidey#s VERY close #2 Villain. He's only topped by The Green Goblin, IMO.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

After thinking about it, I would say that Green Goblin is Spider Man's defining villian followed by Doc Ock and Venom.

 

[Spider-Vader]

That stuff Andrew said about the movie makes me feel so confident that this will be the best Spider-Man movie. You never saw Tobey saying that kind of stuff...or actually doing it in the films.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

@ShadowBoxer

And it's another reason why I think Marc Webb will undoubtedly use the Green Goblin again. He should be used in every form of media featuring Spider-Man. 60's cartoon used him, TAS, TSSM, Raimi did, and Webb should.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

That stuff Andrew said about the movie makes me feel so confident that this will be the best Spider-Man movie. You never saw Tobey saying that kind of stuff...or actually doing it in the films.

Honestly, I don't think Toby was all that passionate about the character. It seemed to me that he was just doing the movies for the pay check, same with Kristen. I mean his performances were not bad but they lacked that spark that made you really believe in his performance. Andrew is clearly a spidey fan his love of the character is evident in the footage we have seen and in interviews with various magazines talking about the movie.

 

[Nathan]

@ShadowBoxer

And it's another reason why I think Marc Webb will undoubtedly use the Green Goblin again. He should be used in every form of media featuring Spider-Man. 60's cartoon used him, TAS, TSSM, Raimi did, and Webb should.

Hopefully. And if they re-use him, he should definitely be in part 3. Green Goblin has been used to start the first Trilogy, and this time he should be used to end a Trilogy.

 

[Web face]

Hopefully. And if they re-use him, he should definitely be in part 3. Green Goblin has been used to start the first Trilogy, and this time he should be used to end a Trilogy.

Plus less people will feel its too soon to reuse GG if he is used in the third film.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Hopefully. And if they re-use him, he should definitely be in part 3. Green Goblin has been used to start the first Trilogy, and this time he should be used to end a Trilogy.

I would like to see Kraven and Vulture in part 2. Build up Norman's character. Then have Green Goblin in part 3.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

^^ He's definitely Spidey#s VERY close #2 Villain. He's only topped by The Green Goblin, IMO.

That's not only a personal opinion, it's truth

That stuff Andrew said about the movie makes me feel so confident that this will be the best Spider-Man movie. You never saw Tobey saying that kind of stuff...or actually doing it in the films.

Between a guy who never read comics and a guy who made his room a shrine for Spider-Man, it's easy to have the latter inspire more enthusiasm

 

[Anno_Domini]

^^ He's definitely Spidey#s VERY close #2 Villain. He's only topped by The Green Goblin, IMO.

That shouldn't be an opinion. That should literally be fact.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

^^Well said

 

[lordofthenerds]

That shouldn't be an opinion. That should literally be fact.

I agree that Doc Ock is Spider-Man's #2 arch-nemisis, but does anyone really want to see him again? He was already done really well in the Raimi series.

 

[wonderwoman5757]

ugh, i'm so bored of the goblin storyline. enough already i know it. spider-man has perhaps the best rogue gallery of any superhero, and people really want to go back to the goblin again? lame. give me vulture, mysterio, electro, rhino, scorpion, kraven the hunter, or even morbius before i have to watch the goblin again. enough already! if i had to pick out of my list i'd most want mysterio or kraven.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Green Goblin needs more exposure in media out of comics, that's why we want him, and done properly as he was in the first movie game and the Spectacular cartoon

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

^^ He's definitely Spidey#s VERY close #2 Villain. He's only topped by The Green Goblin, IMO.

Yea to me GG is Spidey's greatest enemy and defining villain. GG is the one that causes Peter the most tragedy. The loss of his love AND best friend eventually.

Although Venom is my favorite for sure. GG might be Peters defining villain but Venom is his arch enemy to me.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Every superhero is only as good as his arch enemy! For me, Spider-Man arch enemy is Green Goblin, not Doc Ock or Venom.

 

[socool]

ugh, i'm so bored of the goblin storyline. enough already i know it.

You obviously don't, otherwise you wouldn't have said that. Green Goblin has caused more mental trama to Spider-Man than anyone else over the years. He is to Spider-Man what Joker is to Batman and no one ever gets tired of Joker. Why? Because people have made him interesting. No one has yet to give the Green Goblin his full potential outside of comics. No show, video game, or movie has ever made Green Goblin what he truly is. Until someone does that *cough*Marc Webb*cough* then people will have that mentality about him.

Every superhero is only as good as his arch enemy! For me, Spider-Man arch enemy is Green Goblin, not Doc Ock or Venom.

Exactly. Though, Doc Ock comes really close to #1.

 

[Scarlettess]

I think Venom has the potential to be Spidey's arch enemy as he IS the anti-spider-man so to speak, he's everything spider-man would be if he hadn't been bought up the way he was, or had not learnt that valuable lesson of responsiblity. I just think that potential hasn't been hit on yet, and it's Venom's alter ego Eddie Brock which is the weakest part of the character, not Venom per-se. (ie. Imagine if someone like Norman Osborn, with similar motives, became Venom, the character himself would be much stronger).

But yes, GG is definately Spidey's ultimate nemesis. I'd even say character wise, he can be stronger than the Joker, because whereas Joker doesn't have a family, and Batman doesn't know him personally, he's just this insane person. With GG, everything he does effects everything around him, his son, his business, Spidey is best friends with his son, and Osborne wishes that Parker was his son. Especially when he finds out SPidey's identity the whole thing becomes alot more personal, all he has to do is one small thing and turn Pete's world upside down. So yeah, I think Green Goblin is very copable if wirtten correctly to be better than Batman's Joker.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

@ShadowBoxer

And it's another reason why I think Marc Webb will undoubtedly use the Green Goblin again. He should be used in every form of media featuring Spider-Man. 60's cartoon used him, TAS, TSSM, Raimi did, and Webb should.

Yea, I think its safe to assume that we will see Green Goblin again in Webb's movies. But I wouldn't mind seeing Doc Oc, Venom, Mysterio, Scorpion, Rhino, Shocker, Electro, Kraven, Morbius on film at some point.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

As a younger Spidey fan, I used to think that Venom was his ultimate nemesis. It was just one of those things that kind of made sense when looking at it. He has all the same abilities, he knows his weaknesses, he negates his spider-sense and he has a personal vendetta against Spidey. But now looking back, Brock was just far too flawed a character to ever really pose a huge enough threat against Spidey. His reasons for hating Peter were all out of pure selfishness. His reasons for becoming a villain, I would say, are among the weaker of many of Spidey's other villains. Brock felt he was wronged in every aspect of his life when really he was just too proud to realize he was the reason his life sucked so much. He was basically just a little kid looking for someone to blame.

And now looking at the character in recent iterations, Venom has become more of a parasite than an actual enemy of Spidey. The symbiote is all about survival right now more than getting back at an old nemesis. If anyone hasn't been reading the latest Venom series I would strongly recommend it. Flash Thompson is the man right now. And the whole series has really driven home the point that the symbiote is a parasite and in Flash's case, almost an addictive drug.

Even looking at Eddie Brock, ever since he got rid of the suit and became Anti-Venom, he's sought redemption with Peter and ended up saving lives in Spider-Island. He still has a God complex, but in the end he came out on top.

So Venom really has fallen on the short list for me as far as Spidey villains go. He's definitely an iconic one, but not the most sinister anymore.

 

[filmboy33]

I would love it, and be surprised as hell if they are able to keep something like that out of the news (internet, etc.). Hope so!

I doubt they will cast Osborn(s) yet, since the storyline in ASM1 will not involve them. I think they will simply hint at the character and his counterpart.

I would LOVE to see an ending calling card or somesuch.. like a Pumkin Bomb left on Peter's stoop... or some police report where they question why witnesses report seeing a pumpkin bomb before the explosion/etc.

*similar to Batman Begins/Joker*

Marc Webb and the writers need to be mighty careful not to try and ape Nolan's Bat-trilogy too closely. I have no problem at all with them wanting to use Goblin as the villain in a second film. But I would hate if they do some kind of "calling card" scene at the end with Spiderman and say Capt Stacy.

What I would love is if they have already cast Norman Osburn and they have him pop in for maybe one scene in ASM. Like say he comes into the lab to talk to Connors and Peter is there, perhaps an exchange is had and nothing more. It would be a great way to introduce Norman and show that the filmmakers are thinking ahead.

I just find it odd if we don't see Norman in ASM. If Connors is a prominent scientist within Oscorp, he would have some interaction with the company's CEO. Norman has always been portrayed in the comics as someone who is very hands on when it comes to the day to day operations of his company. I would think he would be on the floor with his workers on a pretty regular basis. Especially for something as important as Connor's efforts to regrow limbs.

It would be a shame for the filmmakers to miss an opportunity to bring Norman in organically to this story. Again, just a cameo not a starring role.

As far as Gwen, her fate is sealed. There is no way that those involved with ASM will miss the opportunity to bring The Death of Gwen Stacy story to film. It is THE classic Spiderman story and one that is just so powerful if done correctly. True by killing her in the second film you risk comparisions to Rachel Dawes and The Dark Knight. But again, if done correctly, it won't matter.

The real risk here is that Sam Raimi did a scene similar in Spiderman with MJ. Marc Webb will have his work cut out for him to try and make a Goblin-Spiderman fight seem different than what we have seen before.

The other challenge with the whole Norman Osburn story is how do you bring Harry into the mix. Again they are competing against the Raimi films in trying to make their Harry different than the one previously portrayed. If there had been more time between the Raimi series of films and this new series, it would not be as difficult. But as it stands now, it will be awful hard to prevent the audience from having a been there-done that feeling when watching the Peter-Norman-Harry triangle.

For my money, here is what I would like to see:

ASM- Lizard with a Norman Osburn cameo
The Spectacular Spiderman (good title I would say)- Goblin and death of Gwen Stacy. Introduction of MJ as a friend of Peters
Spiderman no more (eh, all I could come up with)- Kingpin and Mysterio. Mj and Peter get together.

I really would love to see the filmmakers weave characters and threads through these films that are introduced and then paid off in future films. The Norman Osburn cameo being an excellent starting point.

 

[Michael Frost]

I couldn't care less if people draw comparisons with TDK. If it gets as good as TDK was in terms of narrative and characters, compare away. It's not the first time people draw comparisons with the Batman movies out of pure ignorance. Besides, we'll have a comic to shove in the face of whoever says they killed her because of Batman!

Kingpin's never gonna happen until Marvel gets both Spiderman and Daredevil rights back. Kingpin is part of Fox as of now so Sony can't use him.

Mysterio is a weak villain (camp territory) to close off a trilogy. Unless they go with the Ultimate route...