The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 5

[WebbHead]

The promo art doesn't do much for me, but I'll leave it at that. It's just promo art guys, it's something to look at, why the huge analysis/argument?

 

[mayo23]

The promo art doesn't do much for me, but I'll leave it at that. It's just promo art guys, it's something to look at, why the huge analysis/argument?

Yeah, it's just promo art. Why make such a fuss over promo art??? I'm just glad to get some more images of spidey from different angles. But in the end all that matters is the movie! goodness gracious! so much criticism over promo art!

 

[Spider-Who?]

The promo art doesn't do much for me, but I'll leave it at that. It's just promo art guys, it's something to look at, why the huge analysis/argument?

Because it's PROMOTIONAL art. By it's very nature, promotional material needs to be good in order to do it's job. This image is anything but.

 

[mayo23]

I still fail to understand why that matters. For all we know, the promo art will be used on merchandise for toys and lunch boxes etc and the only people who will see these images outside from people who buy spider-man merchandise and throw the boxes away are people like us who obsess over everything Spidey. And there are other aspects promoting this film, so I assume that most people here are going to watch the movie regardless of how bad the promo images are, as will the general audience? The images are bad, but people are still going to watch the film, no?

So by your logic, I assume this film isn't doing a very good job promoting itself? That all it has riding on promoting itself are promos image that will show up on merchandise, aside from actual footage that will better represent the actual film?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking and using a bad excuse to nitpick, because obviously, these promo images have will minimal to no influence on getting people to actually see the film in theaters. The images are bad, but I ask, so what?

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

The thing is, RIM has been giving us images with the same kind of promotional quality ever since the first trailer, and people are complaining about it now? Above all those other times?

Is this what a great, new trailer does to us?

 

[Spider-Who?]

I still fail to understand why that matters. For all we know, the promo art will be used on merchandise for toys and lunch boxes etc.

Sigh. Please go back a page and read my post concerning this. I don't have the patience right now to spoon feed this logic to people again.

So by your logic, I assume this film isn't doing a very good job promoting itself? That all it has riding on promoting itself are promos image that will show up on merchandise, aside from actual footage that will better represent the actual film?

Really? Where have I said the trailers or other promotional images are bad? Where have I said that this promotional image is the end all be all? You can't answer those questions because I never said those things. I said THIS IMAGE is not doing it's job. That is a FAR cry from what you are trying to imply.

Can bad promotional material hurt a film? Absolutely. Will one bad image hurt a film? In most cases, no, but that is not an excuse any design team would use to get away with a bad image. I'm not even talking about their design choices (which is subjective), but the quality of the image itself. I work in this field. EVERY image, regardless of it's intended use, EVERY FRAME of animation is set to a high standard. Toy boxes? Walk through Toys R Us. Tell me how many boxes you see from big franchises that have such shoddy work. None. Good design teams don't let ****** work go through production because "only a few people will see it." Is it a fluke? Who knows. Most of the other images this design team has churned out are good, which is why I'm so surprised this one is so terrible.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking and using a bad excuse to nitpick, because obviously, these promo images have will minimal to no influence on getting people to actually see the film in theaters. The images are bad, but I ask, so what?

What bad excuse am I using? I'm merely pointing out the glaring flaws in the image. I hardly EVER cry foul on these boards, and on the off chance that I do, I think most people would consider my posts anything but nitpicking, or even whiny - I do my best to be a positive member on here (note: that has nothing to do with positive feelings towards aspects of this film). I'm not angry about it and I'm not saying that this picture will have any baring on the film. But this is a thread for discussing news and images on the movie. Some people will discuss things they like. Others will discuss things they don't like. At least I'm giving reasons why I don't like something, unlike many here who hate just to hate. Why are you acting as though my personal opinion on this one image is a personal attack on you and your own opinion?

 

[Spider-Who?]

The thing is, RIM has been giving us images with the same kind of promotional quality ever since the first trailer, and people are complaining about it now? Above all those other times?

Is this what a great, new trailer does to us?

That is something that I personally took into consideration - many of the first images he's shown us are extremely low-res, compressed images, but even then, the low quality didn't undermine the artistic merit of the images. Is it possible that there's a final image out there? Absolutely. However, a better compressed image won't fix the majority of the problems this image has (see my post on the previous page concerning them). Of all the other pictures, this one is very far removed in terms of quality, (even while taking its low-resolution into account).

 

[craigdbfan]

You can give a thorough reason as to why you believe something is of meager quality and still be called a troll/whiner/hater/_____. The Spider-Man pictures from the EMPIRE shoot were the best and everything since then has ranged from substandard to incredibly poor.

When viewing this from a marketing perspective both TDKR & The Avengers have produced promotional material that actually took sense in their quantitative level of appeal for the art they were creating so it could actually work as intended (marketing is supposed to make a product attractive through its promotional stills/photos).

Just saying that "Well its going to be for toy boxes" shouldn't just grant a pass for mediocrity.

 

[WebbHead]

Because it's PROMOTIONAL art. By it's very nature, promotional material needs to be good in order to do it's job. This image is anything but.

I disagree with this notion. If you weren't a member here or simply a casual fan, you would never see this or any other promotional art RIM has posted. No one cares about a few pictures, they care about trailers and tv spots. No one is going to get amped up over a picture (unless they're die hards like a lot of us on here). Sony need not even release these pictures as 99% of its advertising success will come from the success of its trailers. Pictures like these are not going to make or break someone's opinion of the film....


"THE PIXELATION IN THE NECK AREA IS HORRENDOUS! DEFINITELY NOT SEEING THIS!"

I mean, like I said, I actually agree that it's pretty bad, but I don't really care and I doubt very many other people do.


And craigdbfan, the quality of The Avengers promo art isn't really any better. It's the same concept rehashed and recycled over and over again (the heroes in a tattered battle ground doing signature poses) and I can't even recall seeing any TDKR promo art.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I disagree with this notion. If you weren't a member here or simply a casual fan, you would never see this or any other promotional art RIM has posted. No one cares about a few pictures, they care about trailers and tv spots. No one is going to get amped up over a picture (unless they're die hards like a lot of us on here). Sony need not even release these pictures as 99% of its advertising success will come from the success of its trailers. Pictures like these are not going to make or break someone's opinion of the film....

You and mayo practically said the same thing, so please see my response to his post.

 

[Spider-Who?]

And craigdbfan, the quality of The Avengers promo art isn't really any better. It's the same concept rehashed and recycled over and over again (the heroes in a tattered battle ground doing signature poses) and I can't even recall seeing any TDKR promo art.

You really think this is no better?

 

[WebbHead]

It's definitely better, but they also have 6 different heroes to work with. There are only so many poses you can put Spidey int before things get dull, just like the 6th or 7th piece of Avengers promo art has gotten dull as it's the same thing over and over again. Is the quality better? Absolutely, and I understand your point in that regard, but to say that this will have any sort of effect on the marketing of the film is pretty farfetched. I know you think this is inexcusable work, and I'm with you, it's pretty shoddy; but like I said, I don't think it's the end of the world.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Again, I'm not saying it is the end of the world either. Perhaps my passion on the subject is being interpreted as such, but I am certainly not saying the image is going to destroy the movie.

How can I put my feelings in its most simplest terms?

This image is full of fail.

 

[craigdbfan]

And craigdbfan, the quality of The Avengers promo art isn't really any better. It's the same concept rehashed and recycled over and over again (the heroes in a tattered battle ground doing signature poses) and I can't even recall seeing any TDKR promo art.

That's a blatant lie.

Looking at these objectively you can easily tell which one had more work poured into it. Simplicity isn't the problem but rather the effort (or lack thereof) most of the pieces of promos TASM has received. This has nothing to do with the poses at all. Have you heard anyone criticizing the poses Spider-Man is in? No. We are only pointing out the quality of the promotional material. That's it.

Promo isn't indicative of the final product as X-Men: First Class proved but the promo for that film was awful as well despite my absolute love for that movie.

And again:

 

[mayo23]

Sigh. Please go back a page and read my post concerning this. I don't have the patience right now to spoon feed this logic to people again.



Really? Where have I said the trailers or other promotional images are bad? Where have I said that this promotional image is the end all be all? You can't answer those questions because I never said those things. I said THIS IMAGE is not doing it's job. That is a FAR cry from what you are trying to imply.

Can bad promotional material hurt a film? Absolutely. Will one bad image hurt a film? In most cases, no, but that is not an excuse any design team would use to get away with a bad image. I'm not even talking about their design choices (which is subjective), but the quality of the image itself. I work in this field. EVERY image, regardless of it's intended use, EVERY FRAME of animation is set to a high standard. Toy boxes? Walk through Toys R Us. Tell me how many boxes you see from big franchises that have such shoddy work. None. Good design teams don't let ****** work go through production because "only a few people will see it." Is it a fluke? Who knows. Most of the other images this design team has churned out are good, which is why I'm so surprised this one is so terrible.



What bad excuse am I using? I'm merely pointing out the glaring flaws in the image. I hardly EVER cry foul on these boards, and on the off chance that I do, I think most people would consider my posts anything but nitpicking, or even whiny - I do my best to be a positive member on here (note: that has nothing to do with positive feelings towards aspects of this film). I'm not angry about it and I'm not saying that this picture will have any baring on the film. But this is a thread for discussing news and images on the movie. Some people will discuss things they like. Others will discuss things they don't like. At least I'm giving reasons why I don't like something, unlike many here who hate just to hate. Why are you acting as though my personal opinion on this one image is a personal attack on you and your own opinion?

First of all, I never said anything about you claiming the trailers are bad. I am merely talking about the new image at hand. So please don't get condescending and start with the cursing.

I wasn't aware that I'm acting as if this is a personal attack on my opinion. I am merely responding to how I see your opinion, which comes across to me as nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking, particularly in regards to how you feel "promotional material should do a good job at promoting". You give reasons as to why you don't like the image, yet you apply this personal opinion (from what I perceive) as a fact that a stupid image may make or break a film. That is all I'm responding to, merely the fact that I think you are blowing this image out of proportion in regards to how it influences the promotion of the film. And all I'm saying is that it doesn't matter, I don't care about stupid promo images and that it doesn't do anything for me but to give me extra looks at Spider-man. Good or bad, they are just images to me, which are extremely minimal in influencing my opinion on the actual film. Also, I don't care if you hate or bash this film, that's your opinion and I welcome it. I do get annoyed with emotional, shifty people though.

SO yeah, look at the overall picture and see how important these promo images will be. and yeah, I didn't realize there was a top half response in which you get a bit offensive, so now I'm getting a bit pissed for that.

 

[WebbHead]

Look, I agree with you guys, that the quality has been lackluster, but I guess my point is that I don't see the need for a huge debate or analysis of it. It's fodder for the time being. Though I do think this has been the best promo image we've seen from any of the big 3 thus far:

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

That is something that I personally took into consideration - many of the first images he's shown us are extremely low-res, compressed images, but even then, the low quality didn't undermine the artistic merit of the images. Is it possible that there's a final image out there? Absolutely. However, a better compressed image won't fix the majority of the problems this image has (see my post on the previous page concerning them). Of all the other pictures, this one is very far removed in terms of quality, (even while taking its low-resolution into account).

I think there are undoubtedly alternative backgrounds, even better-cropped shots of the same thing. I'm too lazy to put up examples, but I've recognized some of the same shots from the ASM promo shoot used with different backgrounds. They're out there.

 

[mayo23]

Sigh. Please go back a page and read my post concerning this. I don't have the patience right now to spoon feed this logic to people again.

So yeah, where was this logic you were talking about? All I read was some babble about bad art and shoddy photoshop. Nothing responding to MY POINT about how this matters in the end in promoting the quality of the actual movie? By the way, I see the avengers promotional image and I still don't care. My opinion my not be popular? I don't know? but I couldn't care less about promo images. All I see is well done image and badly done image, yet that's all they are. In what way will they correlate with the quality of the film????

promo images =/= film quality?????

 

[Spider-Who?]

I wasn't aware that I'm acting as if this is a personal attack on my opinion. I am merely responding to how I see your opinion, which comes across to me as nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking, particularly in regards to how you feel "promotional material should do a good job at promoting".

That's not a personal opinion. That's the point of promotional art - to make the movie look appealing, in order to get people's butts into seats. Will one bad image ruin a film's success? For the tenth time, no. But that isn't an excuse for making bad promo images. "Don't do something unless you're going to do it right" and all that jazz.

You give reasons as to why you don't like the image, yet you apply this personal opinion (from what I perceive) as a fact that a stupid image may make or break a film. That is all I'm responding to, merely the fact that I think you are blowing this image out of proportion in regards to how it influences the promotion of the film.

I've said several times on this page (including the post you're responding to) that I was not saying this image will make or break the film. I am merely surprised at how bad the image is, considering one shouldn't want bad promo art for their products. I don't know how I can say that any differently to make you understand that.

And all I'm saying is that it doesn't matter, I don't care about stupid promo images and that it doesn't do anything for me but to give me extra looks at Spider-man. Good or bad, they are just images to me, which are extremely minimal in influencing my opinion on the actual film.

So, because you don't find the topic interesting, those who do can't discuss or analyze the pictures? If you don't care, why are you even discussing it?

Also, I don't care if you hate or bash this film, that's your opinion and I welcome it. I do get annoyed with emotional, shifty people though.

I can only assume you're attempting to call me emotional and shifty. Uh, huh. Despite the fact I even stated that I'm "not angry, whiney, etc" and am only offering my opinion on the image, because we're here on this board to give said opinions and discuss all aspects of the movie (which is worse, me offering an opinion you don't like, or you telling us "I don't care about this topic, so therefore you're wrong and stop talking about it."?). If you don't like my opinion, that's cool. No skin off my back, but please don't pull the "hater!" card on me, especially considering I'm loving the vast majority of what we've seen about this movie (minus the Lizard).

I didn't realize there was a top half response in which you get a bit offensive, so now I'm getting a bit pissed for that.

I never gave any intentionally offensive comments (towards the image, sure, but not towards any posters), so I think you're wasting energy getting pissed.

 

[Spider-Who?]

So yeah, where was this logic you were talking about? All I read was some babble about bad art and shoddy photoshop. Nothing responding to MY POINT about how this matters in the end in promoting the quality of the actual movie? By the way, I see the avengers promotional image and I still don't care.

Good lord, mayo. First off, the response you are looking for concerns your comment about "it might go on a toy box, so it's ok if the art is bad!" comment. Here's a snippet:

And it doesn't matter whether this is gonna be on a stupid toy box - for the people/company responsible for the design, the quality of one's product is NOT dictated by where the design will be seen. You don't excuse bad work like this "just because kids won't care". Companies get hired for projects because what they do is good, regardless of the bottom line.

In what way will they correlate with the quality of the film????

promo images =/= film quality?????

Please read this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22569205&postcount=947

And this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22569059&postcount=934

And this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22569121&postcount=941

Maybe then you'll understand why repeatedly answering this question is getting tiresome.

 

[mayo23]

That's not a personal opinion. That's the point of promotional art - to make the movie look appealing, in order to get people's butts into seats. Will one bad image ruin a film's success? For the tenth time, no. But that isn't an excuse for making bad promo images. "Don't do something unless you're going to do it right" and all that jazz.

And yet my point is that in the overall picture, how bad a promo image is will not affect the actual quality of the film.

I've said several times on this page (including the post you're responding to) that I was not saying this image will make or break the film. I am merely surprised at how bad the image is, considering one shouldn't want bad products for their company. I don't know how I can say that any differently to make you understand that.

I understand perfectly. It just appears that you are refusing to understand what I've been trying to say, in different ways, since my first post.

So, because you don't find the topic interesting, those who do can't discuss or analyze the pictures?

When did I ever say you can't or others can't discuss or analyze the pictures and when did I ever say I didn't find this topic interesting? Am I not doing the same when I started responding to you? Why are you putting words into my mouth?

I can only assume you're attempting to call me emotional and shifty. Uh, huh. Despite the fact I even stated that I'm "not angry, whiney, etc" and am only offering my opinion on the image, because we're here on this board to give said opinions and discuss all aspects of the movie (which is worse, me offering an opinion you don't like, or you telling us "I don't care about this topic, so therefore you're wrong and stop talking about it."?). If you don't like my opinion, that's cool. No skin off my back, but please don't pull the "hater!" card on me, especially considering I'm loving the vast majority of what we've seen about this movie (minus the Lizard).

And you assume wrong. I was only responding to the fact that you're probably the 3rd person who has taken a offensive reaction to my responses. I was not directly referring to you. And once again, I never called you a hater nor am I pulling the "hater" card.

I don't care about this topic? How about you actually read what I posted? I said I don't care about promo images, at least not to the extent that you do. They're nice to have and all, but I'm not going to outright criticize it and act like it's the worst thing in the world (that's how I saw your initial posts). I'm merely posting my opinion on your dislike for the new image and my opinion on the matter and why I think you're just nitpicking over something so insignificant.

Once again, are you trying to put words into mouth?

I never gave any intentionally offensive comments (towards the image, sure, but not towards any posters), so I think you're wasting energy getting pissed.

Okay.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Look, I agree with you guys, that the quality has been lackluster, but I guess my point is that I don't see the need for a huge debate or analysis of it. It's fodder for the time being. Though I do think this has been the best promo image we've seen from any of the big 3 thus far:

See, now THAT is a good promo image.

 

[Spider-Who?]

And yet my point is that in the overall picture, how bad a promo image is will not affect the actual quality of the film.

I understand perfectly. It just appears that you are refusing to understand what I've been trying to say, in different ways, since my first post.

I really don't think you do. Every single post, you ask me "how could the promo image hurt the film?" (in some variation), and I say "It won't. That isn't what I'm saying." ...only for you to turn around in your next post and say "You're wrong! The promo art won't hurt the movie!!"

 

[mayo23]

Good lord, mayo. First off, the response you are looking for concerns your comment about "it might go on a toy box, so it's ok if the art is bad!" comment. Here's a snippet:





Please read this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22569205&postcount=947

And this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22569059&postcount=934

And this:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22569121&postcount=941

Maybe then you'll understand why repeatedly answering this question is getting tiresome.

Honestly, I understand your point. But only your last link really shows what my first impressions of your post were. As for the "it might go on a toy box, so it's ok if the art is bad!", your opinion comes from a professional standpoint it seems; I'm just commenting general perspective, and once again I ask, rhetorically. In the bigger picture of promoting this film and making sure that people actually watch it in theaters, SO WHAT?

 

[mayo23]

I really don't think you do. Every single post, you ask me "how could the promo image hurt the film?" (in some variation), and I say "It won't. That isn't what I'm saying." ...only for you to turn around in your next post and say "You're wrong! The promo art won't hurt the movie!!"

Hey, you've been replying to other posters while I'm typing my responses here. And so I'm just replying back to your responses to me. Do you really think I'm re-reading your replies to other posters as I type mine?

I feel the same way from where I am. Like I'm beating a dead horse.