Superman Returns The American Way?

[celldog]

Superman is American. He was raised in America and he lives amongst Americans. Patrolling the world is not the same as living in every part of it.

Thank you.

I saw this blog.......


Friday, June 30, 2006
Now, not even Superman is American
Nevermind Superman's sexual orientation. Here's another identity-related question that is likely to spark controversy as the Man of Steel soars into theaters nationwide this Fourth of July weekend in Warner Bros. Pictures' "Superman Returns": Is Superman still American?


in the latest film incarnation, scribes Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris sought to downplay Superman's long-standing patriot act. With one brief line uttered by actor Frank Langella, the caped superhero's mission transformed from "truth, justice and the American way" to "truth, justice and all that stuff."

So, the liberal hate of America has even gotten to Superman...liberal hollywood hates the country that makes them rich so much, that Superman, who has stood for the American way for 70 years, does no longer...

Its so easy to see how great things used to be when people loved this country, and how liberal hate of their land chips away at us daily. There is no doubt that this country would not even be the strongest and greatest country in the world if liberals would have been around since the beginning...

somewhat related...more hate of America from our liberal colleges:
UW instructor blames U.S. for 9/11 attacks

 

[Dope Nose]

there's already a thread on this topic.
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238183

 

[celldog]

I know that I'll get flamed for this but I don't understand what the big deal is.

Superman is a citizen of the world now, not just of America.

The American Way? What exactly does that mean now? Most countries think of themselves as good people. Being American doesn't put a lock on being the only just and good people on the planet.

Personally, I don't mind not including it. The jingoistic attitude that prompted that verbiage isn't really applicable anymore.

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with being proud of our country, I'm just saying that the larger picture needs to be recognized.

Just because he helps people all over the world, doesn't mean he's citizen of those countires. Heck...the U.S. military does the same thing. He's an American citizen......raised, and pays taxes in America. He just has a global perspective when it comes to helping people.

 

[hatebox]

Having just seen the movie I feel I should point out that anyone getting uptight about this omission missed the point. It was if anything more of a dig at the media and it's apathy to 'the american way', or lack of morals, or whatever.

Honestly, people getting angry about this kind of stuff are the exact reason that the outside world parodies, even hates us. Stop making the rest of us look bad, America has little to be proud of as it is right now.

 

[Killgore]

Is there anything more American than Superman? As an American icon he is as indelible as Coca-cola and Mickey Mouse. That's the whole point of Red Son, is taking an icon that is synonymous with America and spinning it on its cape.

Singer just did it to get some free publicity from Fox News.

 

[블라스]

The United States, just like every other country, has a LOT to be proud of.
Blind patriotism that causes threads like this one, is not one of those things to be proud of.

I can't believe people are still saying things like "All your Superman belongs to us!!1".

Yes, Superman was created in the US, but I think he's a symbol of justice and liberty for the whole world.

Kids EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD look up to Superman!

I think it's kind of close minded to think that the omission of one line (one line that, as many have pointed out by now, was NOT part of Superman during his beginnings, but added, understandably, during WW2) means that the makers of this movie had some kind of anti-US agenda.

Come on

 

[Pittman4Two]

The United States, just like every other country, has a LOT to be proud of.
Blind patriotism that causes threads like this one, is not one of those things to be proud of.

I can't believe people are still saying things like "All your Superman belongs to us!!1".

Yes, Superman was created in the US, but I think he's a symbol of justice and liberty for the whole world.

Kids EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD look up to Superman!

I think it's kind of close minded to think that the omission of one line (one line that, as many have pointed out by now, was NOT part of Superman during his beginnings, but added, understandably, during WW2) means that the makers of this movie had some kind of anti-US agenda.

Come on

I don't think that's the case.

I think the film makers were more worried about the criticism of keeping American Way in the film vs. taking it out. Obviously, there's little to no criticism for keeping it in but GOD forbid anyone mention America in any form of media.

Liberals suck.

 

[Dope Nose]

Malus posted this in the other thread, but we may as well have a copy here too.

June 30, 2006
Superman eschews longtime patriot act
By Tatiana Siegel

Nevermind Superman's sexual orientation. Here's another identity-related question that is likely to spark controversy as the Man of Steel soars into theaters nationwide this Fourth of July weekend in Warner Bros. Pictures' "Superman Returns": Is Superman still American?

Ever since artist Joe Shuster and writer Jerry Siegel created the granddaddy of all comic book icons in 1932, Superman has fought valiantly to preserve "truth, justice and the American way." Whether kicking Nazi ass on the radio in the '40s or wrapping himself in the Stars and Stripes on TV during the Cold War or even rescuing the White House's flag as his final feat in "Superman II," the Krypton-born, Smallville-raised Ubermensch always has been steeped in unmistakable U.S. symbolism.

But in the latest film incarnation, scribes Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris sought to downplay Superman's long-standing patriot act. With one brief line uttered by actor Frank Langella, the caped superhero's mission transformed from "truth, justice and the American way" to "truth, justice and all that stuff."

"The world has changed. The world is a different place," Pennsylvania native Harris says. "The truth is he's an alien. He was sent from another planet. He has landed on the planet Earth, and he is here for everybody. He's an international superhero."

In fact, Dougherty and Harris never even considered including "the American way" in their screenplay. After the wunderkind writing duo ("X2: X-Men United") conceived "Superman's" story with director Bryan Singer during a Hawaiian vacation, they penned their first draft together and intentionally omitted what they considered to be a loaded and antiquated expression. That decision stood throughout the 140-day shoot in Australia, where the pair remained on-set to provide revisions and tweaks.

"We were always hesitant to include the term 'American way' because the meaning of that today is somewhat uncertain," Ohio native Dougherty explains. "The ideal hasn't changed. I think when people say 'American way,' they're actually talking about what the 'American way' meant back in the '40s and '50s, which was something more noble and idealistic."

While audiences in Dubuque might bristle at Superman's newfound global agenda, patrons in Dubai likely will find the DC Comics protagonist more palatable. And with the increasing importance of the overseas boxoffice -- as evidenced by summer tentpoles like "The Da Vinci Code" -- foreign sensibilities can no longer be ignored.

"So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."

But for Superman purists looking for a nod to the big blue Boy Scout's nationalistic loyalties, he is still saving Americans, albeit many with suspiciously Aussie accents. He foils Lex Luthor's nefarious plan to send millions from the nation's heartland to a watery death. And in his most impressive scene, the hero saves the day while a plane hurtles toward a baseball stadium full of fans enjoying America's pastime. Although there is no indication that it is an American baseball game depicted, the scene was one of the few shot on U.S. soil, at Dodger Stadium.

Nevertheless, the long-standing member of the Justice League of America seems to have traded in his allegiance to the flag for an international passport.

"He's here for humanity," Dougherty says.

 

[hatebox]

Liberals suck.

It speaks volumes about our country that 'liberal' has become a dirty word.

Shame on you.

 

[Pittman4Two]

hatebox, "liberal" hasn't become a dirty word.

AMERICA has become a dirty word. We can't even say it in movies anymore.

 

[hatebox]

hatebox, "liberal" hasn't become a dirty word.

AMERICA has become a dirty word. We can't even say it in movies anymore.

And you think that was because of 'liberals', or the actions of a few conservatives...?

 

[Pittman4Two]

And you think that was because of 'liberals', or the actions of a few conservatives...?

Just turn on the news, my friend.

There's no reason for this country not to be proud of itself.

 

[hatebox]

Just turn on the news, my friend.

There's no reason for this country not to be proud of itself.

What, FOX news?!

Well, no point in arguing with someone who can't open their eyes.

 

[Pittman4Two]

What, FOX news?!

Well, no point in arguing with someone who can't open their eyes.

I agree...

I guess I'm blinded by Patriotism.

 

[hatebox]

I agree...

I guess I'm blinded by Patriotism.

Well, at least you're honest about it.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It is the ideals America was built upon

America was built on
- Rebellion and violent revolution against the sovereign gov't
- Greed
- Exploitation and murder of minorities
- Deism
- Sexism
- Arrogance ("Manifest Destiny")
- Political and Financial corruption
- Subjugation of the poor

and hundreds of years later we're still combatting those American attitudes.
"American Way" was added in a very naive, blithely ignorant time. It never should've been added.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

This thread has gone somewhere......and never came back.

 

[kame-sennin]

I'd like to know how many in here, especially the "omitting of American Way is no big deal" crowd, are old enough to remember saying the Pledge of Allegiance in school. I'm not talking about having it played over the loudspeaker either.


Those who argue that "Superman isn't American because he just happened to land here" are not seeing the whole picture. Superman was created by Americans, Superman is associated with America (whether the liberals like it or not), so what is the beef with having American Way in that famous or now infamous line of Superman folklore?

The reason being is that this country is so divided (and PC) right now that every single, solitary word must be thoroughly scrutinized to the point of being ridiculous.

Where were all these anti-patriotism factions when Christopher Reeve is flying the American Flag back to the White House in Superman II? This is just one example at how completely and utterly ridiculous this country has become. Patriotism is now a thing of the past....such a shame.

Long live Old Glory.

God Bless America.


And as much as the liberals hate it...

Superman fights "for truth, justice, and The American Way!"

The line is a part of Superman no matter how much you wanna piss on it or try to sweep it under ther rug with this new world order ****. The fact it was intentionally taken out is just one more reason why Singer should've been nowhere near this thing. It's a copout, a sellout, and he should've known better.

The line was propaganda that was added to the character during WWII and then removed after the war ended. It was then put back in during a rather jingoistic period of American history (1950's). So you can not say that it is an intrinsic part of the character. In fact, when Superman was created, he was ment to be a metaphor for jewish immigrants. If anything, Superman is a global citizen sent from *another world* to protect all of Earth. Not just America and its interests.

 

[kame-sennin]

Malus posted this in the other thread, but we may as well have a copy here too.

June 30, 2006
Superman eschews longtime patriot act
By Tatiana Siegel

Nevermind Superman's sexual orientation. Here's another identity-related question that is likely to spark controversy as the Man of Steel soars into theaters nationwide this Fourth of July weekend in Warner Bros. Pictures' "Superman Returns": Is Superman still American?

Ever since artist Joe Shuster and writer Jerry Siegel created the granddaddy of all comic book icons in 1932, Superman has fought valiantly to preserve "truth, justice and the American way."

Wow, that's incorrect from the opening sentence. If you can't get the first fact that you drop in an article correctly, no one should take you seriously. If you read this guy's blog, send him an e-mail informing him that neither Shuster nor Seigel had anything to do with the addition of "the American way".

 

[블라스]

The line was propaganda that was added to the character during WWII and then removed after the war ended. It was then put back in during a rather jingoistic period of American history (1950's). So you can not say that it is an intrinsic part of the character. In fact, when Superman was created, he was ment to be a metaphor for jewish immigrants. If anything, Superman is a global citizen sent from *another world* to protect all of Earth. Not just America and its interests.

You might be wasting your time, as this has been said many times by now...but the silliness won't stop

 

[Killgore]

Ever since artist Joe Shuster and writer Jerry Siegel created the granddaddy of all comic book icons in 1932, Superman has fought valiantly to preserve "truth, justice and the American way."

1932? Wasn't he created in 1938?

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

America was built on
- Rebellion and violent revolution against the sovereign gov't
- Greed
- Exploitation and murder of minorities
- Deism
- Sexism
- Arrogance ("Manifest Destiny")
- Political and Financial corruption
- Subjugation of the poor

and hundreds of years later we're still combatting those American attitudes.
"American Way" was added in a very naive, blithely ignorant time. It never should've been added.

Whoa.

 

[Mr. Socko]

It's just so stupid. Singer and his lackey writers cut out the line because they thought it would attract more people in other countries more. But look how it's doing.

Superman stands for Truth, Justice, and The American Way

Many people think of it the wrong way as in "he fights only for America". That's not what it means. It means he stands for the way of America, not just America. And the way of America is Freedom, Peace, etc

 

[Killgore]

Imagine how pissed people would be if they would have went with the first draft.

PERRY WHITE
Does he still stand for truth, justice and the GAY WAY?

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

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Not to criticize, but umm... you spelt "coming" as "comming" in your sig. You might want to correct it.