The Atheism Thread - Part 5

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There's actually a movie called 'The Man Who Sued God' starring Billy Connolly. Dues boat gets blown up in an electrical storm, when the insurance agency doesn't pay up due to it being an 'act of god' he sues the church instead. I actually think many insurance places now have replaced the word 'god' for 'nature' in real life.
 
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Sigh....
:doh:Really?

Noooo.... I believe I explained it pretty clear.
If you choose not to use your conscience and reason....
I can't help you.

GOD is not subject to the laws of nature...WHY??? BECAUSE HE CREATED THEM.
THE....LAAAAAAWS....ARE...'SUBJECT'...TO.....GOD.
Not the other way around.

God is a Spirit....not flesh and bone.

Hope this helps..
Take it or leave it.

It's all good.:word:

 
I am using my conscious and reason, I am also incorporating logic, study, history, science, facts, evidence and common sense in my views. Like I said, I suggest you learn more about your religion outside of what you read in your holy book. I suggest learning ancient Greek and Hebrew and studying the actual written texts many of the holy books are based on, but something tells me you might not like what you read.

You are making a rather large assumption about me don't you think?:whatever:

I stand by what I said.

Take it or leave it.

I won't assume what actions you will take.:cwink:
 
You are making a rather large assumption about me don't you think?:whatever:

I stand by what I said.

Take it or leave it.

I won't assume what actions you will take.:cwink:

You're not giving me much else to go on.
 
What happens if God is a giant space monkey? What then?

Good thing that I know that god isn't a giant space monkey since I personally know him. As a matter of fact I have a picture of him right here.
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There's actually a movie called 'The Man Who Sued God' starring Billy Connolly. Dues boat gets blown up in an electrical storm, when the insurance agency doesn't pay up due to it being an 'act of god' he sues the church instead. I actually think many insurance places now have replaced the word 'god' for 'nature' in real life.

Just thinking about it for a bit if somebody was caught up in a natural disaster(or "act of god" so to speak) and if you could find a church or organization that

1. Claims they have some tie to being the voice of God, or the only "true" church of god

2. They make the claim the natural disaster was an "act of god" and you have solid proof they said that

In theory couldn't you sue that church since they are the organization that is "responsible" for the damage(or so they indirectly claim)
 
Then why do you waste your time in asking "which God..."?
Seems.........foolish.

If you were truly and honestly wanting to have understanding...
You would start with the basics...
Could there be a Creator? Obvious answer is yes.
Take baby steps to get to know if there is a God.

And to answer simply "why" would you....

The same reason a child comes to understand that he or she came from a Father and Mother and KNOWS it to be true.

Again...
Baby steps.

Could there be a teapot orbiting Venus? The obvious answer is yes. I can't disprove that. But can you prove either? Can you even say that either is likely? The only honest answer is hell no.

Well, I've met my father and mother. Haven't met any deities yet. Well, beyond a few self-proclaimed ones.

No, I asked you, because there are quite a few gods in this world. I was wondering which one you meant.
 
Just thinking about it for a bit if somebody was caught up in a natural disaster(or "act of god" so to speak) and if you could find a church or organization that

1. Claims they have some tie to being the voice of God, or the only "true" church of god

2. They make the claim the natural disaster was an "act of god" and you have solid proof they said that

In theory couldn't you sue that church since they are the organization that is "responsible" for the damage(or so they indirectly claim)

The only reason no-one hasn't tried to do something like that is that everyone knows you can't prove a higher powers existence, otherwise in theory you'd be able to hold persons representing that being to account for losses quite easily. Thing is even the Vatican knows you can't prove gods existence, heck they even acknowledge that many of the things in the bible are meant to be taken metaphorically not literally. The problem is many people do take it literally, what they don't know (or don't want to know) is that many of the writings in the bible have been skewed or written to suit someones own agenda, this has been going on since day one where people were claiming to be writing for John or Paul or which ever apostle, but in actual fact they were writing for their own interests.
 
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The only reason no-one hasn't tried to do something like that is that everyone knows you can't prove a higher powers existence, otherwise in theory you'd be able to hold persons representing that being to account for losses quite easily. Thing is even the Vatican knows you can't prove gods existence, heck they even acknowledge that many of the things in the bible are meant to be taken metaphorically not literally. The problem is many people do take it literally, what they don't know (or don't want to know) is that many of the writings in the bible have been skewed or written to suit someones own agenda, this has been going on since day one where people were claiming to be writing for John or Paul or which ever apostle, but in actual fact they were writing for their own interests.
Then by the same token, why don't those same people back off when it comes to rewriting the law of the land?
 
The only reason no-one hasn't tried to do something like that is that everyone knows you can't prove a higher powers existence, otherwise in theory you'd be able to hold persons representing that being to account for losses quite easily. Thing is even the Vatican knows you can't prove gods existence, heck they even acknowledge that many of the things in the bible are meant to be taken metaphorically not literally. The problem is many people do take it literally, what they don't know (or don't want to know) is that many of the writings in the bible have been skewed or written to suit someones own agenda, this has been going on since day one where people were claiming to be writing for John or Paul or which ever apostle, but in actual fact they were writing for their own interests.

That's why you need to find a church/organization that makes such outlandish claims(they the true voice of god/the natural disaster was god's will). Basically you are going against some fictional being, you going up against what they claim/stated in public they are about. It's a basic case of calling out their idiotic claims for the fun of it(basically can you make them admit they full of crap). It's something somebody would do as a publicity stunt to expose a BS organization
 
Imagine being the lawyer for God? lol.

[BLACKOUT]Better call Saul![/BLACKOUT]
 
Not if it's demonstrably true. People in the Middle Ages knew sex led to pregnancy. 1000 years later, that still holds true.
Yes but they also believed there were elements...
I don't think evolution and the creation of earth are quite as simple as sex. Please don't misunderstand me, I think the Big Bang and Darwin Theory are true, but I will never be 100% convinced because I know science progresses, and that man will never know everything.
 
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That's why you need to find a church/organization that makes such outlandish claims(they the true voice of god/the natural disaster was god's will). Basically you are going against some fictional being, you going up against what they claim/stated in public they are about. It's a basic case of calling out their idiotic claims for the fun of it(basically can you make them admit they full of crap). It's something somebody would do as a publicity stunt to expose a BS organization

After a Wikipedia search, turns out somebody did sue the almighty.

In the U.S. state of Nebraska, State Senator Ernie Chambers filed a suit in 2008 against God, seeking a permanent injunction against God's harmful activities, as an effort to publicize the issue of public access to the court system.[1] The suit was dismissed because God could not be properly notified, not having an address. The Judge stated, "Given that this court finds that there can never be service effectuated on the named defendant this action will be dismissed with prejudice".[1] The senator, believing God to be singular and all-knowing, responded "The court itself acknowledges the existence of God. A consequence of that acknowledgement is a recognition of God's omniscience ... Since God knows everything, God has notice of this lawsuit."[1][2] Chambers filed the lawsuit in response to another lawsuit that he considers to be frivolous and inappropriate.[3]
In response to Chambers' case, two responses were filed. The first was from a Corpus Christi lawyer, Eric Perkins, who wanted to answer the question "what would God say".[4] The second was filed in Douglas County, Nebraska District Court. The source of the second response, claiming to be from "God", is unclear as no contact information was given.[4]
On July 30, 2008, local media sources reported the Douglas County District Court was going to deny Chambers' lawsuit because Chambers had failed to notify the defendant.[5] However, on August 1, Chambers was granted a court date of August 5 in order to proceed with his lawsuit. "The scheduling hearing will give me a chance to lay out the facts that would justify the granting of the motion," Chambers was quoted as saying. He added, "Once the court enters the injunction, that's as much as I can do," he said. "That's as much as I would ask the court. I wouldn't expect them to enforce it."[6]
However, a judge finally did throw out the case, saying the Almighty was not properly served due to his unlisted home address.[7] As of 5 November 2008, Chambers filed an appeal to the Nebraska Supreme Court.[8] The former state senator John DeCamp and E. O. Augustsson in Sweden, asked to represent God. Augustsson's letters, mentioning the Bjorn (see the BjornSocialist Republic) were stricken as "frivolous". The Appeals Court gave Chambers until February 24 to show that he notified DeCamp and Augustsson of his brief,[9] which he did. The case was finally closed on February 25 when the Nebraska Court of Appeals dismissed the appeal and vacated the order of the district court. The court quoted cases according to which "[a] court decides real controversies and determines rights actually controverted, and does not address or dispose of abstract questions or issues that might arise in hypothetical or fictitious situation or setting".
The absurdity of this is mind blowingly hilarious.
 
Re: suing God.

Here’s a cute story (alas, confirmed as an urban legend):

TEXAS BAR SUES CHURCH

In a small Texas town (Mt. Vernon), Drummond's Bar began construction on an expansion of their building to increase their business. In response, the local Baptist Church started a campaign with petitions and prayers to block the bar from expanding.

Work progressed right up until the week before the grand reopening when lightning struck the bar and it burned to the ground. The church folks were rather smug in their outlook, bragging about "the power of prayer", until the bar owner sued the church on the grounds that the church "…was ultimately responsible for the demise of his building, either through direct or indirect actions or means." In its reply to the court, the church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection to the building's demise.

The judge read through the plaintiff's complaint and the defendant's reply, and at the opening hearing he commented, "I don't know how I'm going to decide this, but it appears from the paperwork that we have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer, and an entire church congregation that does not."

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Edit: please explain what was intended by that PM you sent me. If you have some kind of personal gripe, then you can explain it here.

Oh, no, I'm sorry, I should have explained better if it came off that way. That's far from why I sent it. I thought it was an amusing message to the person you were also quoting and replying to with the picture of the boy with his fingers in his ears but I was worried it may come off a little rude and just decided I'd send what I was going to post to the person I was quoting (mostly out of sheer boredom). My apologies if it came off as a personal attack, I just found it an amusing alternate message to the picture you posted.
 
I agree, but we can't demonstrate The Big Bang.

Well there are elements out there that lead credence to the theory such as how the universe seems to be expanding from a particular point. Also there seems to be remnants of a big...well...bang that is the oldest point of the universe that we can see. Of course the key part of that is at the end of the sentence. There is only so much we can tell in the limited scope of humanity. There's enough to give us an idea of what's going on, but there's so much over our head that we can't put a definite finger on things.

It's a little fun to me that it's this way. The universe is so much bigger than I am that I have millions of lifetimes to get an answer on everything around me, and if I somehow managed to live a million lifetimes there would be a billion more lifetimes waiting for me because the universe has grown. I used to be really scared of that, but now it's fun when I don't try to answer everything without a definite box around my thoughts.
 
Oh, no, I'm sorry, I should have explained better if it came off that way. That's far from why I sent it. I thought it was an amusing message to the person you were also quoting and replying to with the picture of the boy with his fingers in his ears but I was worried it may come off a little rude and just decided I'd send what I was going to post to the person I was quoting (mostly out of sheer boredom). My apologies if it came off as a personal attack, I just found it an amusing alternate message to the picture you posted.
Ah, please accept my apologies then. I completely misunderstood.
 
Could there be a teapot orbiting Venus? The obvious answer is yes. I can't disprove that. But can you prove either? Can you even say that either is likely? The only honest answer is hell no.

Well, I've met my father and mother. Haven't met any deities yet. Well, beyond a few self-proclaimed ones.

No, I asked you, because there are quite a few gods in this world. I was wondering which one you meant.

You should go on the journey of 'IF there is a God' before you concern
yourself with the question of 'WHO God is' first....Then allow yourself
to be open to the Truth.....

http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1581345615/ref=sip_rech_dp_5/181-2175806-8960404

"Could there be a teapot orbiting Venus? The obvious answer is yes."

Ahhhhhhhhhh..... No. Very Highly unlikely.

Well, I've met my father and mother. Haven't met any deities yet. Well, beyond a few self-proclaimed ones.

Even adoptive children who either get adopted or never get adopted understand without ever seeing evidence of their birth parents know that they came from somebody.
Why is it that you can't clearly see that creation has a Creator?:doh:
A painting need a Painter.
We are far more complex and thought out than a painting.
Now imagine the universe.
A very creative Creator made it all.:word:
 
He likes impregnating virgins. I think he might be a bit like Errol Flynn crossed with David Bowie.
 
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