The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - Part 12

[MahvelBaby!]

Who cares about any of this nonsense if the movie is incredible? Good is good no matter whats in the movie, and people will go see good movies.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

..... The Avengers does! We're discussing whether or not people flock to see alien invasion films. The results show it depends on other factors - particularly brand recognition or star recognition.

Actually, having just read the original comment, this was started because it was suggested the alien invasion vibe would hurt the success of the Avengers film.

If Transformers, an extremely successful alien invasion film (albeit, an already known franchise) does not count as a 'typical alien invasion' film, why would Avengers?

Also, I think it's BS you discount Transformers anyway, I mean, these days, what ISN'T a pre-known franchise? The vast majority of summer flicks these years are based on a comic or novel or tv series or anything. Hell, even District 9 was based on the directors own short film :P

 

[Rock Sexton]

Who cares about any of this nonsense if the movie is incredible? Good is good no matter whats in the movie, and people will go see good movies.

It's just an interesting topic. Someone made the comment that people are tired of alien invasions and it's been rumored for some time that the Skrulls (to my dismay) would be involved or some other Marvel alien entity.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Who cares about any of this nonsense if the movie is incredible? Good is good no matter whats in the movie, and people will go see good movies.

Just like people saw Serenity, Sunshine and Scott Pilgrim...



Nah, But they'll definitely see this movie for sure!

 

[Rock Sexton]

Actually, having just read the original comment, this was started because it was suggested the alien invasion vibe would hurt the success of the Avengers film.

.... and I wasn't supporting that. I said while people aren't sick of them, they're not flocking to just any alien invasion film.

If Transformers, an extremely successful alien invasion film (albeit, an already known franchise) does not count as a 'typical alien invasion' film, why would Avengers?

How can you call something typical with brand name recognition like The Avengers or Transformers? Do Skyline, District 9, and Super 8 carry that kind of clout on their face? Absolutely not.

Also, I think it's BS you discount Transformers anyway, I mean, these days, what ISN'T a pre-known franchise? The vast majority of summer flicks these years are based on a comic or novel or tv series or anything. Hell, even District 9 was based on the directors own short film :P

A short film is nothing compared to decades worth of Transformers cartoons, comics, movie, etc. So it's not BS.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

How would someone who knows nothing about Transformers view the movie franchise, based on a trailer? As another Alien invasion movie.

And I was just using the short film as an example that even the low budget, indie sci-fi films are being based on pre-existing material. I mean, if you look at the list of movies coming out next year, it's ridiculous how many of them are either a sequel or a film based on something. It's almost 100 percent of all the blockbuster films.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Because you're "lump summing" a whole slew of countries together in order to depict a successful international box office. The #'s aren't that impressive when you consider how many countries that really is.

... i'm simply just saying.. Domestic only doesn't really mean a movie is a flop over all.. I'm saying a movie can flop in the states and be extremely successful internationally.. and thus not really considered a flop.. it's not really hard to understand what I was saying... nothing more, nothing less than that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I meant their take home with the 12-13%. Alas their international takes are really not them impressive when you look at it. Their domestics are successful in relation to their budgets, not because people flocked to see them.

District 9
$115 million domestic
$95 million international (61 countries)

Super 8
$124 million domestic
$60 million international (32 countries)

honestly? i don't think you should view this as "blank amount made in # of countries... Especially for instance in Europe, where the countries and population are almost like if you tried to split the US box office into states... That's why i just group international together.. the US population as a country out ranks each European population...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Semantics. You and I both know that Transformers carries a massive brand name recogition compared to movies like Skyline, District 9, and Super 8. It's not even a comparison. People didn't go see Transformers simply because it was an alien invasion.



Read the article and do the math on their examples.

while it's definitely Semantics with the other invasion films.. he's pretty spot on with comparing it to the Avengers though... both have HUGE brand name recognition, and no one is seeing either film for the "alien invasion" plot

 

[Wolvieboy17]

while it's definitely Semantics with the other invasion films.. he's pretty spot on with comparing it to the Avengers though... both have HUGE brand name recognition, and no one is seeing either film for the "alien invasion" plot

Thank you, since that was the actual point I was making when I said that.

Now, lets stop this bickering and enjoy some Nick Fury inspired comedy :P

http://www.collegehumor.com/vi​deo/6570614/nick-fury-in-other​-movies

 

[MadVillainy]

Posted that pages back...you gotta learn how to be funny man

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Damn, I wasted all those years focusing on how to interact with people without being a *****e bag when I should have been learning humour, like you :S

 

[MadVillainy]

Damn, I wasted all those years focusing on how to interact with people without being a *****e bag when I should have been learning humour, like you :S

It's from a collegehumor show

 

[WildcatNC]

Thats a golden idea, the dude just does a terrible Samuel L Muther****** Jackson impression.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Then consider my defensive comment officially retracted :P

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, it's a great idea but the actual writing is pretty lame, which is a shame. Here's hoping South Park steals this idea too, so we can see it done properly :P

 

[ElMariachi]

Have the skrulls even been confirmed?

 

[MadVillainy]

Then consider my defensive comment officially retracted :P

I saw you posted the collegehumor link and just figured you were a fan

Thats a golden idea, the dude just does a terrible Samuel L Muther****** Jackson impression.

I actually thought it was good at the beginning, but as it went on it got worse.

But if we could get the real SLJ to do this on SNL or something

 

[WildcatNC]

I saw you posted the collegehumor link and just figured you were a fan



I actually thought it was good at the beginning, but as it went on it got worse.

But if we could get the real SLJ to do this on SNL or something

That would be epic.

 

[BatmanInc]

This seems to be what Hulk is going to look like.

 

[Hurm...]

That's a damn good fan video. Impressive animation.

 

[Rock Sexton]

while it's definitely Semantics with the other invasion films.. he's pretty spot on with comparing it to the Avengers though... both have HUGE brand name recognition, and no one is seeing either film for the "alien invasion" plot

Comparing what to the Avengers? Transformers? I never disagreed with that premise.

 

[The Morningstar]

I actually doubt that very seriously.

Look at how poorly alien invasions have performed in the last few years --- Cowboys & Aliens, Super 8, District 9, Falling Skies, V, The Day the Earth Stood Still, War of the Worlds, etc.

It's like all of us (including us here at SHH) are expecting an alien invasion to be inevitable. Unless Marvel can bring something new to the table with their version of an alien invasion (hint: they can't....there's nothing unique or fresh about Skrulls or Thanos or Kree or others at all), then you're going to have a very tough sell to the GA.

At this point, I think a Ragnarok might be the best bet, and might, in fact, be what they're shooting for. Rather than an invasion by aliens, what if it's all about Loki unlocking the gates to the other Nine Worlds and releasing hordes of frost and fire giants, rock trolls, dark elves, and even Fenris and Jormungandr onto an unsuspecting Midgard...that *would* be fresh and unique.

Have LOTR invade the Earth instead of the usual array of ID4 aliens and giant saucers.

Marvel can't bring anything unique or fresh to the alien invasion disaster movie?

Oh, apart from SUPERHEROES like Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Captain America fighting the aliens?

 

[daderade]

would you rather they kill a bunch of diamond skinned vampires....wait...THATS A GREAT IDEA!!!!!

 

[04nbod]

honestly? i don't think you should view this as "blank amount made in # of countries... Especially for instance in Europe, where the countries and population are almost like if you tried to split the US box office into states... That's why i just group international together.. the US population as a country out ranks each European population...

Europe has twice the population of North America so it doesn't really work and of course Europe isn't the entire international market for US film.