The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - Part 12

[Rock Sexton]

You are looking at it from the perspective of what we know and suggesting Fury isn't morally grey.

Well I acknowledged there's an element to Fury that we don't yet know about in the MCU.

You have Hulk who a scientist with an uncontrollable monster inside. Ross has made it his business to make Banner seen as a murdering psychopath in the government and military. Sure, he defeated Blonsky but who is say he did it out of goodness rather than just getting rid of the competition? Fury wasn't even there. He could be getting stories about how Hulk smashed Blonsky and ran off like an animal.

Doesn't matter what Ross tried to make Banner look like. We know it was out of goodness because of how the movie set it up. Abomination was down on the ground killing innocent people and destroying the city. Banner knew he was the only one who could stop it.

You're suggesting Fury wasn't there and could be getting a different account is strictly hypothetical. Given what we know about SHIELD, that would be surprising, especially based on the scene at the end of IM2. SHIELD is always watching.

On the other hand you have Blonsky, a first rate soldier who only seemed to go nutso after exposure. He was seen as the new super-soldier. Fury is taking his chances on the good soldier before the mad scientist.

Banner isn't a "mad" scientist and Blonsky is no longer a "good" soldier. The serum brought out evil in him that existed (ala Red Skull) and was further compounded by the gamma radiated blood.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think perhaps whatever Fury would have wanted with Blonsky went out the window the moment they found Steve's body.

Btw, does anyone else think we'll see a longer recap of them discovering Cap in Avengers, like how Thor recapped and contextualised the IM 2 after credits scene? I wouldn't mind just a quick scene showing them thawing Cap's body, with Stark and Fury overseeing it, or perhaps more importantly, the Time Square in it's entirety (since we know from the filming of it, there was more to that scene anyway, such as the SHIELD agent handing Fury the suitcase etc. I'd like to see that scene and see more of the emotional fall out, how Steve actually reacts in it's entirety.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, do we think they will portray Fury as a shady character in this, like the comics? Sow some seeds of doubt amongst the Avengers, regarding how much they really know or trust Fury?

I'd love to have a twist/teaser at the end, where we see that Fury perhaps had a secret agenda all along as a potential teaser for the next movie (similar to the Moriarty reveal in Sherlock Holmes or something). It could also be a good incentive for The Avengers to break away from SHIELD and operate independently out of Stark Mansion

 

[Flemm]

Also, do we think they will portray Fury as a shady character in this, like the comics? Sow some seeds of doubt amongst the Avengers, regarding how much they really know or trust Fury?

I think this is likely, yeah. I also don't see the Avengers working for Shield over the long term. Maybe they don't break away until the sequel, but it will happen.

Fury will have his own agenda, and it will not be Thor's agenda or IM's agenda. Cap will probably be onboard as a soldier at first and then become disillusioned with Shield's approach.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I think perhaps whatever Fury would have wanted with Blonsky went out the window the moment they found Steve's body.

That's what I was saying.

 

[marvel_freshman]

From some chick on Facebook...

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Such an awesome day I was @ work with hubby on the set of Avengers in a mine of 350 ft below the earth how awesome is that there were parts where it was pitch black n water was dripping from above n so so cold but so so cool actually a pretty good experience !!!!! thks to hubby for taking me today

@the creekside mushroom mine worthington Pennsylvania on set with hubby

 

[Rock Sexton]

Interesting .... [BLACKOUT]a mine[/BLACKOUT] eh?

 

[BigThor]

Not really a BAD agenda, just a "succeed at all costs" mentality. The threat is probably sufficient for Fury to consider ALL options. He's in that gray area anyway, never really fully trustworthy.

Remember also that the Hulk disappeared, while Blonsky is in custody. Fury probably sees them both as equally dangerous initially but at least Blonsky was a soldier and trained. A bird in the hand. It was probably also never even put on a report that the Hulk did anything "noble". It was probably just reported that they tore up the city trying to kill each other.

Seems like they might have to hunt down and capture Hulk, a prospect he might not have wanted to have to mess with.

If Thor doesn't come in the game till a little later then Fury could have been desperate for a "Heavy hitter". Cap is Bad*** and all, but he's no Abomination/Hulk.

The recent incarnations of Fury have always been a shady "do whatever is needed" type.

True, he's probably just looking for someone to fill the "powerhouse" space.

 

[Vartha]

Yea, like Son of Coul ever gets to actually debrief anyone.



t:

I'd like to debrief Sif but that's something else entirely. lol

 

[BatmanInc]

Cap can handle Hulk, though. If Blonksy with a faulty, incomplete serum can go toe to to with him, get kicked into a tree at mach 3 and LIVE, Cap, with the completed serum and about.....4 times the dosage, should be fine.

 

[Vartha]

I don't think he's a God in the mcu, they did establish that.
But in the comics yes he is.

WE as humans call him a god still. Yes, it was in a few trailers listing him as such. Even on a poster.
Marvel has explained it that the Asgardians ARE an advanced race, and even in the Movie Fandral says to Thor, "this isn't like visiting earth and being worshipped as a god for throwing a lightning bolt"

 

[Rock Sexton]

I'd like to debrief Sif but that's something else entirely. lol

You'd like to see a Coulson/Sif porn? Yuck.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Cap can handle Hulk, though. If Blonksy with a faulty, incomplete serum can go toe to to with him, get kicked into a tree at mach 3 and LIVE, Cap, with the completed serum and about.....4 times the dosage, should be fine.

Blonsky didn't go toe to toe ... through his acrobatics he managed to not get his face kicked in. When he finally stood right in front of him he got stomped. He couldn't fight the Hulk from his hospital bed while he was recouperating.

Cap is peak human, not superhuman like Thor.

 

[Kirmit]

Cap can handle Hulk, though. If Blonksy with a faulty, incomplete serum can go toe to to with him, get kicked into a tree at mach 3 and LIVE, Cap, with the completed serum and about.....4 times the dosage, should be fine.

Really the only thing Cap can do against Hulk is dodge his swipes. I don't think movie verse cap is all that,

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Look at what red skull did to him in their skuffle

and Hulk is 100 times stronger.

 

[WildcatNC]

Blonsky didn't go toe to toe ... through his acrobatics he managed to not get his face kicked in. When he finally stood right in front of him he got stomped. He couldn't fight the Hulk from his hospital bed while he was recouperating.

Cap is peak human, not superhuman like Thor.

Exactly. Cap could probably stay away from Hulk indefinitely, but that doesn't equal "handling" him. Cap has no way to do any harm to the hulk, just distract or annoy him.

 

[Vartha]

You'd like to see a Coulson/Sif porn? Yuck.

watch a movie Called "Rest Stop" it's a Horror Flick.


Edit: Who needs Coulson? I'm a level 4 S.H.I.E.L.D. Clearance remember? hehehe

 

[TomPiltoff]

Yeah and we're a 7 on the Nerd Innuendo scale.

 

[Vartha]

Yeah and we're a 7 on the Nerd Innuendo scale.

lol

 

[captainrogers]

Exactly. Cap could probably stay away from Hulk indefinitely, but that doesn't equal "handling" him. Cap has no way to do any harm to the hulk, just distract or annoy him.

Yes. Cap is the distraction. In a broader sense, he would be the STRATEGY against the Hulk. Aiming his fellow Avengers where they need to be. Altho, I think Cap would be able to get in a few good pressure point hits, and POSSIBLY, be able to knock Hulk off his feet.
I forget who the saying came from, but :
"Among folks like these, at any given time, Cap is ALMOST NEVER the most powerful guy in the room, however, it's safe money on him being the most dangerous."

 

[WildcatNC]

Yes. Cap is the distraction. In a broader sense, he would be the STRATEGY against the Hulk. Aiming his fellow Avengers where they need to be. Altho, I think Cap would be able to get in a few good pressure point hits, and POSSIBLY, be able to knock Hulk off his feet.
I forget who the saying came from, but :
"Among folks like these, at any time, Cap is ALMOST NEVER the most powerful guy in the room, however, it's safe money on him being the most dangerous."

In a broad strategic/mental sense I agree. Its just in the end he really can't do more than p*** the Hulk off by himself.

 

[Jason20]

I admit that Cap wouldnt be the one to beat the Hulk and that it would more or likely IM or Thor, But I do think that Cap would more likely give Hulk a run for his money. While Hulk fights on rage and pure strength Cap will be more level headed while he fights and its usually that guy that does the most damage. Cap will not only have his enhanced strength and speed to use to fight him, but he also has his shield, plus he knows how to use his enviroment for his advantage as seen during the chase scene in TFA.

 

[WildcatNC]

I admit that Cap wouldnt be the one to beat the Hulk and that it would more or likely IM or Thor, But I do think that Cap would more likely give Hulk a run for his money. While Hulk fights on rage and pure strength Cap will be more level headed while he fights and its usually that guy that does the most damage. Cap will not only have his enhanced strength and speed to use to fight him, but he also has his shield, plus he knows how to use his enviroment for his advantage as seen during the chase scene in TFA.

I love Cap, he's just not on Hulks level power wise.

 

[Kirmit]

I love Cap, he's just not on Hulks level power wise.

I agree and tbh neither is Iron Man, even with his hulk buster armour, it's only Thor who could do anything against hulk.

 

[captainrogers]

I agree and tbh neither is Iron Man, even with his hulk buster armour, it's only Thor who could do anything against hulk.

I could envision a scene where Hulk absolutely devistates Ironman and Thor (being caught off guard by the brutes uncanny strength.)
Cap jumps in and tags and evades the Hulk long enough to keep him away from Tony (damaged armor) and Thor (shaky from the initial onslaught).
This gives Thor just enough time to gather his bearings and jump back into the fray. Knowing full well the power he now needs to bring to bear.
(This would be an excellent opportunity to showcase Caps agility, selflessness, and strategy, as well as set up Thor's next show of Power in his second salvo against Hulk, and give Tony a plot point device to come up with a repaired/variant/new and improved armor for later...)
Also, it wouldn't be so bad to see Tony get somewhat humbled against Hulk, and seeing where he could put ego aside and participate in a team.

 

[BatmanInc]

I am slightly worried it might not make enough money, though. I mean, if the 260 mil mark is true.....it has a bigger budget than Avatar.