The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - Part 12

[Gamma Burst]

Cap's film came out a week ago, and Thor's made 500+ mil.

Nope, Thor made 450M, which is indeed pretty good.

 

[BatmanInc]

Nope, Thor made 450M, which is indeed pretty good.

Gah, that's right. I was looking at IM's 500 mil and got mixed up.

 

[hatebox]

It's impressive how you love to downplay everything 'marvel'.

Nice try, but I find the Marvel vs DC debate more tedious than anyone on this entire site. I call all the films as i see them and maintain my original point - that kind of budget is a risk given the performance of the previous films and their highly overlapping fanbase. It's not even a criticsm.

 

[captainrogers]

That's not what happened. All of them took on king Thor, and Thor killed the in the end.
Anyway, cap shouldn't be able to take down hulk, even if he's ''weakened''.
Guys like Thor and Hulk are way beyond his league.

If we're talking about the same alternate reality here, (SPIRAL?) Cap put on quite an impressive fight clinic on Thor and actually was about to slice his head off with his shield, 'till he was distracted by Balder's death cry, and was subsequently disintegrated by the Odinforce.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Nice try, but you love to downplay it. You've done it several times.
Fact.

 

[BatmanInc]

According to Box Office Mojo, this is the grand total amount of money Comic Book adaptations have made:

$9,409,658,241

And I'm pretty sure that's just Domestically.

 

[Gamma Burst]

If we're talking about the same alternate reality here, (SPIRAL?) Cap put on quite an impressive fight clinic on Thor and actually was about to slice his head off with his shield, 'till he was distracted by Balder's death cry, and was subsequently disintegrated by the Odinforce.

It was the reigning after Thor had battled several heroes, killed both hulk and thing and lost and arm. Not to mention the balder had a blade pointed to his son Magnir. Thor just stood the there while cap took the opportunity and punished him. After balder died, Thor grabbed cap by the neck and could've broken it, but blasted him instead.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Nice try, but I find the Marvel vs DC debate more tedious than anyone on this entire site. I call all the films as i see them and maintain my original point - that kind of budget is a risk given the performance of the previous films and their highly overlapping fanbase. It's not even a criticsm.

No you don't.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I just realized something.

Remember the Iron Man 2 S.H.I.E.L.D Data Vault?

Do you think, now that Cap and Thor are out, it's been updated?

Sadly it hasn't been updated .

 

[captainrogers]

It was the reigning after Thor had battled several heroes, killed both hulk and thing and lost and arm. Not to mention the balder had a blade pointed to his son Magnir. Thor just stood the there while cap took the opportunity and punished him. After balder died, Thor grabbed cap by the neck and could've broken it, but blasted him instead.

Ah. Yeah just leafed thru it. I dunno, about Thor just standing there so much as it was just the rapidness of Steve's attack. Otherwise, Thor wouldn't have been taken off his feet and laid out prone in the "Baron Blood" position. But, yeah, that was actually a cool, (but painful) moment seeing Cap and a portion of the Shield get blasted away.
I started to dig Magni as heir to Mjolnir.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Ah. Yeah just leafed thru it. I dunno, about Thor just standing there so much as it was just the rapidness of Steve's attack. Otherwise, Thor wouldn't have been taken off his feet and laid out prone in the "Baron Blood" position. But, yeah, that was actually a cool, (but painful) moment seeing Cap and a portion of the Shield get blasted away.
I started to dig Magni as heir to Mjolnir.

Yeah, I liked Magni too. I wish we could've seen more of him. Maybe with Gillen writing JIM now, since he will explore a lot of Norse myth.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

Sadly it hasn't been updated .

Maybe it'll be updated once they are released to dvd/bluray?

 

[Tony Stark]

To play Devil's Advocate - the same people love Iron Man, Thor and Cap - and apparently the latter two significantly less if box office is anything to go by.

I think Avengers will make just about enough money to justify this kind of budget (though one wonders how it could be that high) but there's no denying this is a big risk by Marvel given it might not make a lot more than the average Iron Man movie.

Both IM films made over 300M, I really don't see the risk. The presence of SLJ, Downey and now Renner, who with his oscar nomination is quickly becoming a top A list actor.

 

[Flemm]

Both IM films made over 300M, I really don't see the risk. The presence of SLJ, Downey and now Renner, who with his oscar nomination is quickly becoming a top A list actor.

Well, I think it's definitely risky, that's just the nature of blockbuster movies of this type. But this is all-in time for marvel studios. They didn't come this far to start getting timid now.

For The Avengers to really succeed, it needs to be bigger than the sum of its parts. It needs to feel huge. So, a big budget makes sense.

 

[WildcatNC]

Well, I think it's definitely risky, that's just the nature of blockbuster movies of this type. But this is all-in time for marvel studios. They didn't come this far to start getting timid now.

For The Avengers to really succeed, it needs to be bigger than the sum of its parts. It needs to feel huge. So, a big budget makes sense.

Yea, they needed to go all in for this hand. No other way to do it. If Feige makes sure the product is really good, then marketing can handle the rest.

Disney will market the HELL out of this one. It will be an Avengers/TDKR showdown till next year. Should be epic.

 

[Flemm]

Yea, they needed to go all in for this hand. No other way to do it.

Agreed. And, I think the reality is, no one really knows how Avengers will play, since no one has really tried this before. That's what makes it exciting.

The movie's not going to tank, but it could underwhelm. That's the real risk.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Nope, Thor made 450M, which is indeed pretty good.

If I recall, it's the biggest superhero movie worldwide without Batman, Spider-Man, Will Smith, or Iron Man. X3 might have made more, but I don't recall.

 

[Gamma Burst]

If I recall, it's the biggest superhero movie worldwide without Batman, Spider-Man, Will Smith, or Iron Man. X3 might have made more, but I don't recall.

True that. I believe made more, but the hype was big after the awesome X2.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Is it May 2012 yet?

 

[HighFivingMF]

I thought I'd post the MCU's grosses so far. Correct me if I made an error.

Iron Man-585,174,222

The Incredible Hulk-263,427,551

Iron Man 2-622,056,974

Thor-447,743,560

Captain America-170,272,000

Total-2,088,674,307

 

[cherokeesam]

I thought I'd post the MCU's grosses so far. Correct me if I made an error.

Iron Man-585,174,222

The Incredible Hulk-263,427,551

Iron Man 2-622,056,974

Thor-447,743,560

Captain America-170,272,000

Total-2,088,674,307

Why even bother posting Cap's worldwide total when *most* of the world hasn't seen it yet?

So far, Mojo has posted *only* the $2 mil it made in Italy. Most of Europe and the rest of the world won't even get the release until later in August. (Hell, Japan won't see it til October.)

We won't have an accurate read on Cap's totals until *at least* the end of August.

 

[DyeLorean]

I don't think too much about the showdown between TDKR and TA.
Sure, they are both superhero movies, but the tone of both is very different. TDKR is more serious, more adult-oriented; while Avengers is more family-friendly, more adventure.
The Avengers are gonna rule 2012.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Nice try, but I find the Marvel vs DC debate more tedious than anyone on this entire site. I call all the films as i see them and maintain my original point - that kind of budget is a risk given the performance of the previous films and their highly overlapping fanbase. It's not even a criticsm.

Harry Potter is an "overlapping" fanbase and look how much the last one has made. So is Batman, look how much more TDK made than BB. Using the amount the previous films have made is stupid, there are MANY things that go into the success of a film. I hate when people use that overlapping fanbase crap because it makes no sense.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Sadly it hasn't been updated .

Maybe it'll be updated on Thor.

 

[Flemm]

Harry Potter is an "overlapping" fanbase and look how much the last one has made. So is Batman, look how much more TDK made than BB. Using the amount the previous films have made is stupid, there are MANY things that go into the success of a film. I hate when people use that overlapping fanbase crap because it makes no sense.

The question with Avengers is whether it will be perceived by audiences as the big event film that Marvel studios wants it to be. If it is, then it will draw a bigger audience than the individual films. This is required for it be perceived as a success, especially with that budget. But it's also possible that it will play more like a new franchise, like Thor and Cap, in which case it will have a hard time being a financial success with a budget like that.

I think that is what hatebox is getting at, i.e. the audience for this movie might not be much bigger than for the individual films.

It's up in the air at this point. I think it will at least do IM domestic numbers + IM2 international numbers, but even that remains to be seen. There are so many variables, including of course the biggest one of all, the quality of the movie. As a fan, I think it's awesome that this movie is happening, and I will just hope for the best. It could be huge, but it's not guaranteed.