The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - Part 12

[BobbyCorwin88]

I think the Hulk is best utilized as a plot device anyway, so sticking an A-list actor like Norton to fill the role of Banner is a pretty risky move when he's going to be covered up by a CG monster half the time. That's a lot of money for not a lot of screen time.

 

[steintym]

I want as much as I can get, but to be honest ... We've already received more than I would have thought at this point - Cap's new costume, the teaser, the banner posters.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I hope the marketing for this movie doesn't get ****ed up by Disney and Paramount having a pissing contest. This is a big deal, and all parties need to get on the same page for it to work.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think the Hulk is best utilized as a plot device anyway, so sticking an A-list actor like Norton to fill the role of Banner is a pretty risky move when he's going to be covered up by a CG monster half the time. That's a lot of money for not a lot of screen time.

Well that's the end of Hulk's cinematic career.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

If you can even call 3 different Banners and Hulks in less than 10 years a "career".

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Well that's the end of Hulk's cinematic career.

In the context of an Avengers movie, he's a great plot device. I'm actually really hoping for an epic fight where Thor, Iron Man and Cap have to take down Hulk so they can get to Banner. I mean, a lot of what the Avengers do is fight Hulk right?

That being said I really did enjoy TIH. I still felt that it was a lot of waiting until Banner Hulked out and started hitting stuff. But, that's what Hulk does best, so it works for me.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The movie will be so much more interesting if its not just about hulk vs the avengers.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I can tell you that it's too wordy with all of the "what the heroes didn't know" etc. It's just not punchy enough. Who wants to read an essay on a poster?

I agree. I threw it together real quick and didn't really do alotta brainstorming for the tagline. I just knew I had to use the words MAD TITAN : ) Then again, I can't exactly call Marvel certifiable when it comes to taglines...but yeah, hopefully Disney & Marvel will be equally inspired when casting Thanos (if he is indeed present in the franchise).

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

The movie will be so much more interesting if its not just about hulk vs the avengers.

Well that's obviously not what the movie is about, but I REALLY want that battle to happen.

If the film revolves around Loki and some kind of Skrull/Asgardian invasion then I'd love to see Hulk drop out of nowhere and complicate things.

 

[The_Shadow]

Well that's obviously not what the movie is about, but I REALLY want that battle to happen.

If the film revolves around Loki and some kind of Skrull/Asgardian invasion then I'd love to see Hulk drop out of nowhere and complicate things.

That would be sweet, the Avengers are struggling against Loki and his army, Hulk drops down and just demolishes through that army

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'm thinking that the first half of the movie will be based off of the Avengers' 616 debut & the second half will be based of their Ultimate debut. With Loki playing major parts in both acts.

 

[the alamo rippe]

can somebody pm that spolier that was posted about the info in the rumored script

 

[the alamo rippe]

i think it was posted but got deleted

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

can someone pm that spoiler that was posted about the info in the rumored script i think it was posted but got deleted

It wasn't deleted, its just in a different thread. In a nutshell

Spoiler

a no-name alien race (that act like Skrulls) come to Earth looking for The Tesseract. Their planet is dying so they want to use the cube's energy to power it. Loki is responsible for tipping them off on the cube's location which they've been trying to find for a long time.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Spoiler

the only thing I don't get, is whole "unnamed alien race" I'm still holding out for kang the conqueror. And an army of goons of course.

 

[ArtTeacher]

I think the Hulk is best utilized as a plot device

 

[The Caped Knight]

^ lol Brilliant reaction

 

[iGiFF]

Whoever made that facepalm pic clearly has nothing better to do.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

You're obviously a Hulk fan. So please tell me how you think he should be used. Banner will obviously be a scientific consultant. Are the Avengers going to try and utilize the Hulk right away or are they going to keep Banner under wraps so he doesn't endanger any missions? Are they going to go the Ultimate route and have Hulk mess everything up and then lock Banner down? General Ross appears to have some involvement in all this. What do you think it will be?

I'm simply giving my 2 cents based off of what I've seen from the Hulk in various comic book iterations, more recently from the Ultimates. I love a mass facepalm just as much as the next guy, but please have something to say on top of it.

 

[Herolee10]

Like I had mentioned in another thread, I think one of the Hulk's arcs in this film will be the same things that we saw him go through in the Animated Series (Earth's Mightiest Heroes), where he not only gets the group to trust him as a ally, along with the Hulk deciding that instead of always being a loner, that he can finally trust a few individuals.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Like I had mentioned in another thread, I think one of the Hulk's arcs in this film will be the same things that we saw him go through in the Animated Series (Earth's Mightiest Heroes), where he not only gets the group to trust him as a ally, along with the Hulk deciding that instead of always being a loner, that he can finally trust a few individuals.

That's very possible, but I don't see it happening right away. I think a reasonable plot for the Hulk in this film is that Banner will be in some type of "protective custody" under SHIELD so they can use him for logistics and scientific related stuff, all the while studying his gamma poisoning. At some point when things get thick, he'll Hulk out, go on a rampage either helping or hurting the Avengers in the process. Either way they'll have to take him down, hence what I mean when I say the Hulk is a plot device. Not Bruce Banner. Maybe I just didn't make that clear enough.

I can see him being a full-fledged member of the team in continuing movies. Probably after he gets in full control.

 

[Herolee10]

That's very possible, but I don't see it happening right away. I think a reasonable plot for the Hulk in this film is that Banner will be in some type of "protective custody" under SHIELD so they can use him for logistics and scientific related stuff, all the while studying his gamma poisoning. At some point when things get thick, he'll Hulk out, go on a rampage either helping or hurting the Avengers in the process. Either way they'll have to take him down, hence what I mean when I say the Hulk is a plot device. Not Bruce Banner. Maybe I just didn't make that clear enough.

I can see him being a full-fledged member of the team in continuing movies. Probably after he gets in full control.

Well, we'll have to see if the new Marvel One Shot featuring Agent Coulson will shed any light as to why SHIELD may end up looking for Banner.

I mean, do they really consider them as a threat/liability, or do they want to recruit him? If Nick Fury is willing to recruit Blonsky, then he should have no problem on wanting to turn to the Hulk as a second option.

Though honestly, I don't think that the Hulk will be used as a 'plot device'. I think there's potential when it comes to exploring the Hulk as a character, and Mark did say that the Hulk would be the teammate that everyone else is unsure if they want on their team. He even gave an example by saying that using the Hulk on the team would be almost like throwing a grenade in the midst of the room when everyone is there and hoping for the best.lol

Be that as it may, I'm one to believe that there'll be more to the usage of the Hulk's character than what may initially be believed.

 

[ArtTeacher]

You're obviously a Hulk fan.

You're obviously not.
*waits for obligatory response explaining how you actually are a Hulk fan*

Are the Avengers going to try and utilize the Hulk right away or are they going to keep Banner under wraps so he doesn't endanger any missions? Are they going to go the Ultimate route and have Hulk mess everything up and then lock Banner down?

I'm obviously not a psychic.

I'm simply giving my 2 cents based off of what I've seen from the Hulk in various comic book iterations,

If you've only seen the Hulk while he was a guest-star in other character's books, then I can see how you think he's best used as a plot device. If the "various comic book iterations" include his own title, then, apart from a couple writers, I don't see how you could view him that way.

more recently from the Ultimates.

Ah, nevermind.

I love a mass facepalm just as much as the next guy, but please have something to say on top of it.

I think the facepalm speaks volumes.

But since you asked:
* The Hulk is a character. When he is treated as such, you have room for growth and great characterization. Even the oftentimes wrongly stereotyped "Savage Hulk" had deep characterization under the tutelage of the likes of Len Wein, Roger Stern, and Bill Mantlo.

* The Hype (and other places) have tons of people clamoring for the Hulk in Avengers to speak and have more characterization than in his previous live-action appearances. Having him be a plot device would be diametrically opposed to those wishes.

* If the Hulk is simply a plot device, then, really, he could be substituted with any other plot device/generic character. There would be no need for the Hulk, specifically.

* One reason why many cite the two Hulk films as not performing higher in the box office/being more popular and/or endearing with general audiences is because they couldn't identify with the Hulk, himself. Taking away any characterization and making him a simple plot device would only further alienate those audience members.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

You're obviously not.
*waits for obligatory response explaining how you actually are a Hulk fan*



I'm obviously not a psychic.



If you've only seen the Hulk while he was a guest-star in other character's books, then I can see how you think he's best used as a plot device. If the "various comic book iterations" include his own title, then, apart from a couple writers, I don't see how you could view him that way.



Ah, nevermind.



I think the facepalm speaks volumes.

But since you asked:
* The Hulk is a character. When he is treated as such, you have room for growth and great characterization. Even the oftentimes wrongly stereotyped "Savage Hulk" had deep characterization under the tutelage of the likes of Len Wein, Roger Stern, and Bill Mantlo.

* The Hype (and other places) have tons of people clamoring for the Hulk in Avengers to speak and have more characterization than in his previous live-action appearances. Having him be a plot device would be diametrically opposed to those wishes.

* If the Hulk is simply a plot device, then, really, he could be substituted with any other plot device/generic character. There would be no need for the Hulk, specifically.

* One reason why many cite the two Hulk films as not performing higher in the box office/being more popular and/or endearing with general audiences is because they couldn't identify with the Hulk, himself. Taking away any characterization and making him a simple plot device would only further alienate those audience members.

Well said art teacher. Laying down the law when it comes to hulk.

 

[WildcatNC]

You're obviously a Hulk fan. So please tell me how you think he should be used. Banner will obviously be a scientific consultant. Are the Avengers going to try and utilize the Hulk right away or are they going to keep Banner under wraps so he doesn't endanger any missions? Are they going to go the Ultimate route and have Hulk mess everything up and then lock Banner down? General Ross appears to have some involvement in all this. What do you think it will be?

I'm simply giving my 2 cents based off of what I've seen from the Hulk in various comic book iterations, more recently from the Ultimates. I love a mass facepalm just as much as the next guy, but please have something to say on top of it.

"I think the Hulk is best utilized as a plot device." ??


A plethora of facepalms is all that really needed to be posted for that statement.