The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - Part 15

[Chewy]

I'll say it a third time, it absolutely will not be the Inhumans.

They have no reasonable connection to the Avengers, no motivation for destroying New York/the Earth, and are too clearly defined as characters to be minor villains that will definitely not be fleshed out in any way.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Man, the budget for that film would be HUGE! If done correctly I mean.lol


You know, even IF Coulson turns out to be 'someone' else, I just can't see the guy being revealed to be a villain of some sorts, because everything we've seen of him hasn't screamed to me as "ulterior motive", and they've gone a little more in depth with his character for them to pull the "oh he's actually a villain" route imho.

which is exactly why it'd be genius to make him captain marvel. He's completely believable if an alien in disguise, because there's something very unfamiliar about how he appears on screen, almost scripted, over calculating, and not really "in touch" with human emotions (at least that's how he's always come off to me) he comes off far less relaxed than fury and even widow with everything he's doing, yet he still takes charge and knows what he's doing (As seen in thor). There's also something extremely alluring and mysterious about him. while everyone is thinking he's a skrull, it'd be pretty awesome to have him be kree.. or Mar-vell instead.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Bobby, I waited in line 4 hours to see IM2 at the Navy Pier IMAX here in Chi-Town. I spent like $150 between gas, food & tickets (brought my daughter & nephews). While I loved the way the film looked, I really felt like Favreau suffered MAJOR studio interference during the shoot. Something I was even more inclined to believe after listening to the audio commentary & watching the special features on the Blu-Ray. The movie really didn't feel like an Iron Man movie for me. As hot as ScarJo was in EVERY scene, I just didn't understand why we needed to see her or Fury instead of seeing more of Rourke & Rockwell's mission to destroy Tony. I felt like the whole thing was an overdose of the Tony scene in TIH. "Let's actually make SHIELD part of the plot." What they shoulda focused on was Vanko - which coulda been great had he been developed more. By now you probably know I didn't warm up to Cheadle either, so that was yet another detrimental aspect of the film for me. Loved what was after-the-credits though.

I have no doubt whatsoever that he inherited studio interference on the shoot, obviously since this was the last time we were going to see IM before the Avengers Feige and co. wanted to get as much tie-in as possible. However, despite everything they probably made him put in, Favreau handled it really well IMO. The biggest thing I took away from his directing was when he kept calling himself "the biggest IM fan of them all." I truly do believe that because even though SHIELD had a big presence in the film, I never felt like it detracted from what was happening with Tony. It could have very easily been made all about SHIELD, but Favreau depicted them as a means to help Tony get back on his feet and discover more about what his father left behind for him to discover, while at the same time showing us more of who SHIELD is and what kind of role they'll play in the future. I believed their presence because, quite frankly, they are the biggest presence in the Marvel universe. And Fury is the kind of guy who will get into your personal life whether you ask him to or not, so the fact that he shows up out of nowhere made sense to me. I feel like SHIELD helped that experience for me when they could have very well hurt it. I never felt at any moment that Tony wasn't the main focus.

Vanko probably should have gotten more screentime, but honestly I felt like him working behind the scenes was a little more in line with how they wanted to present his character. I don't think he wanted anybody to really know anything about him or what he was doing, which is why we had the scene in Tony's garage where he was digging up all the info on Vanko he could find. I don't think he was seen a whole lot because that's how Vanko wanted it. He still came off as a very viable threat to me and could have very well succeeded in bringing down Tony from within. Never at any time did I feel he was underplayed. Again, it all came around to Tony.

And honestly, I still don't know if I like Cheadle or Howard better. I just know that Rhodey loses it at one point and I can't see the character they developed in him really straying in any big way. I also wasn't a huge fan of how Tony's "alcoholic in the suit" arc was handled, but it didn't necessarily ruin it for me. They could have shown it impact more people in a bigger way, not just drunk LA party goers.

Anyway, glad to get that out of my system.t:

As for Iron Man's cinematic future, I have one word:
EXTREMIS

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I think what may happen is The Kree and skrull invade at the same time due to Loki's treachery, Thanos is involved somehow maybe leading the Skrulls but has his own motives to get the cube.

The Kree and The Skrull fighting each other would be just a distraction for Loki and or Thanos to get the Cube somehow.

You can introduce captain Marv-ell somehow whether he be Coulson or not.

Then in the climactic battle The Kree join our side to fight off the Skrulls/Loki/Thanos

Sounds like alot to take in but I believe if done right with a 2:30 plus run-time it could work. You also don't need to include everything I've mentioned, you can leave out Mar-Vell or even leave out Thanos completely ()

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Wolvie, if you go back a few pages & read my original post, while I did say that I was "calling it" regarding The Inhumans as the villains, I also said that hopefully D23 would either confirm or deny that. I never said "There is no possible way that The Inhumans are going to be in this film" which is pretty much what Chewy said (twice). I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat, nor have I ever made bold statements when speculating. Right now, I'm just working with the little Pony Boy's given us since he turned down The Deviants, The Kree, The Skrulls & The Celestials as villains. Maybe he'll wake up tomorrow & say its not The Inhumans either. Personally, I'd prefer what he's suggesting. A smaller group in which each character has an individual personality. From what I had read, the no-name shape-shifters sounded like Skrulls, but with all these shape-shifting MCU aliens, who knows? The little I read did have deception within SHIELD as a major part of the invaders' plot. But we'll see.

but what you're not understanding is that the Inhumans DO NOT fit into what pony_boy has discribed either... he's also not turned down the Kree... he's even stated a few times to be seemingly in favor of them.

the inhumans are not evil, they're not villains, they don't shape-shift, they're living weapons (like the x-men) and thus not need weaponry, and they're sooooo distinct that the entire royal family would be casted by somewhat known actors at the very least, and we'd hear the casting announcements by now. could they be cameo'd ? possibly... but it's not logical at all for them to be the invading force.

I'm not saying you're wrong for questioning, but the facts do not point towards them at all...

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Maybe they will go Silver Surfer style CGI to do the Kree hence the mo-cap suites?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Maybe they will go Silver Surfer style CGI to do the Kree hence the mo-cap suites?

that, and... the 2nd Captain Marvel... had a cosmic star pattern in his appearance.. it's very possibly they could design the kree to have a look like this too
http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/comics/wallpapers/captain-marvel.jpg

 

[Wolvieboy17]

My dream movie in the MCU is a huge space adventure starring Mar-Vell that ends with his death, and leads to Ms Marvel.

Could totally do that Avengers 2. Introduce Carol Danvers are a SHIELD agent in charge of Mar Vell (perhaps she had a fling with Coul-Vell once :P) and it's perfect!

Wolvie, if you go back a few pages & read my original post, while I did say that I was "calling it" regarding The Inhumans as the villains, I also said that hopefully D23 would either confirm or deny that. I never said "There is no possible way that The Inhumans are going to be in this film" which is pretty much what Chewy said (twice). I'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat, nor have I ever made bold statements when speculating. Right now, I'm just working with the little Pony Boy's given us since he turned down The Deviants, The Kree, The Skrulls & The Celestials as villains. Maybe he'll wake up tomorrow & say its not The Inhumans either. Personally, I'd prefer what he's suggesting. A smaller group in which each character has an individual personality. From what I had read, the no-name shape-shifters sounded like Skrulls, but with all these shape-shifting MCU aliens, who knows? The little I read did have deception within SHIELD as a major part of the invaders' plot. But we'll see.

That's all well and good and full of logic. Very good.

Back to Chewy's point, if you know much about the Inhumans, you would have to concede how unlikely it is that it's the Inhumans. I think I would pretty much say with equal confidence that it's not them.

I also wouldn't hang on every word Poni says, like he's a leaked script, because he's a comic/film/games blogger. He reports whatever he's told. He may well know what is actually happening now, but several things that have been written on DailyBlam then get debunked. I think it was only a few months ago he was telling us the Skrulls were the main bad guy, now he's downgraded it to "I told you they'd get 'mentioned'."

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I also wouldn't hang on every word Poni says, like he's a leaked script, because he's a comic/film/games blogger. He reports whatever he's told. He may well know what is actually happening now, but several things that have been written on DailyBlam then get debunked. I think it was only a few months ago he was telling us the Skrulls were the main bad guy, now he's downgraded it to "I told you they'd get 'mentioned'."

the fact that they even get "mentioned" also suggest that the invading aliens are actually the Kree... logically how else would they get brought up in the film?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

LOL We've heard so many things already I'm starting to think what we will get is a bit of everything, some Skrulls, Some kree, Some Thanos and Some Loki

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Another reason it's not the Inhumans is Marvel talked a while ago about potentially doing an Inhumans movie. If they had a view to do that, they'd have to either cast properly with the movie in mind for Avengers, or use watered down, non-canon versions of the Inhumans. It doesn't make sense.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Why would they rip the name from an existing race in the comics and slap it on Skrull substitutes? If anything they'd just call them Chitauri in that case, just like the Ultimate U.

Well I didn't say it was certain. Like I said, Marvel Studios has the luxury of being more accurate than other Marvel owned properties. Honestly the Chitauri would be pretty cool because they work behind the scenes. An internally orchestrated attack would be pretty nice. But I do think anything is possible when you're adapting property that spans a universe of over 40 years.

fox just owns "super skrull", marvel owns "skrulls". it's written into their contract.

Yeah, but hopefully Fox wouldn't be dumb enough to use the name Skrull after Marvel Studios uses it first in a, cinematically speaking, completely unrelated film. I mean, if the point of these contracts is to ensure that Marvel Studios can't use any likeness from the properties that Fox owns, why would they turn around and use the name? Wouldn't people automatically make the connection and then scratch their heads as to why they're using it when the other one already used it, but they're not allowed to be connected in any way? Where would Super-Skrull come from if that were the case? Is he is own dude? Last of his race?

This is all really just for the sake of argument really, you make a good point, I just don't get it. That kind of a weak contract deal leads me to believe that hopefully the FF will go back to Marvel. It would just be a dumb idea, IMO, to use a name that will have been synonymous with one film studio and then another uses it, but they can't be related in any way, when clearly they are...... and now my head hurts.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

the fact that they even get "mentioned" also suggest that the invading aliens are actually the Kree... logically how else would they get brought up in the film?

I remember the original rumor was Kree AND Skrulls

Then it got downgraded to Skrulls

Then someone mentioned Thanos

Loki was confirmed( I think before Thanos was mentioned)

Then the Aliens became no named

Now its a small group invading lol

Am I missing anything? lol

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I'd love it to be the Kree. I think, instead of angry, hostile aliens, I like the idea of their hostility mainly being Loki putting earth in their way, or making earth a target.

It would also create a great dynamic between Mar-Vell and Avengers/SHIELD if they want to include him at one point, if they've already had a bad run in with the Kree.

 

[Chewy]

Plus it'd lead to Ms Marvel, who is our best chance for a successful solo female Avenger flick to go along with Iron Man, Thor and Cap.

And who doesn't want that?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Mar-Vel tries to save earth and is denied by the Kree sort of like EMH, Then the Skrulls could show up and Kree and Avengers team up, form a bond, you would sacrifice some characterization for the Skrulls in order to develop the Kree as a race. Maybe on the Skrull side Thanos is behind everything so you can just focus ondeveloping him, with Loki playing both Kree initially, and Thanos/Skrulls (Not saying make Thanos a Skrull but just make them be his minions) I like the idea someone posted earlier of the Skrulls taking a form similar to Thanos because they worship him.

 

[VictusMortuus]

After Red Skull unleashes the power of the cosmic cube, the ancient alien race Kree notice the unique energy signature coming from Earth. The Kree are constantly at war with the Skrull empire, who's sole purpose is to conquer all beings. So seeing the energy on Earth they,(The Kree,) decide to send a group of soldiers, to disguise themselves as humans, and to seek out the Cosmic Cube. We've already met one Kree soldier, in the comics his name is Walter Lawson. That weapon we saw in the set photo's, this one...

...looks really quite similar to...

Oh and the big reveal at the end, or post-credits... The reveal that a certain character is not whom he appears to be, and he is in fact a Skrull, sent to spy as well, only they not only want the cosmic cube, but to destroy earth as well....Sequel/s. Oh, and Thanos is going to be a part of this group, as the only non-Kree, and the Kree don't fully trust him, due to his unclear motives.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yeah, I'd love it to be the Kree. I think, instead of angry, hostile aliens, I like the idea of their hostility mainly being Loki putting earth in their way, or making earth a target.

It would also create a great dynamic between Mar-Vell and Avengers/SHIELD if they want to include him at one point, if they've already had a bad run in with the Kree.

exactly. not to mention the kree have far far far more ties in the history of other characters in the marvel universe than the skrulls do.

with the Kree you get... Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel, The Inhumans, Marvel Boy, Photon ( i believe she has ties?), Ronan, (and if im also not mistaken Quasar?). Also... The Savage Land... i believe it was there technology that created it.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I really do hope Ms Marvel gets a look in. Love Wasp and all that but definitely prefer her as a female Avenger. I feel Wasp gets overused nowadays because she's a 'cute lil tinkerbell'. I have to, I can't STAND Wasp on EMH. She's basically just Jubilee. Sassy, annoying, immature chick with lame powers that they are constantly trying to make look cooler so she doesn't seem out of place alongside Thor etc.

 

[BigThor]

Maybe they will go Silver Surfer style CGI to do the Kree hence the mo-cap suites?

This pic looks kick ass and I don't want to sound stupid, but who is this exactly?

 

[BigThor]

I really do hope Ms Marvel gets a look in. Love Wasp and all that but definitely prefer her as a female Avenger. I feel Wasp gets overused nowadays because she's a 'cute lil tinkerbell'. I have to, I can't STAND Wasp on EMH. She's basically just Jubilee. Sassy, annoying, immature chick with lame powers that they are constantly trying to make look cooler so she doesn't seem out of place alongside Thor etc.

This 10x t:

You are definately one of my favorite posters Wolvie.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, where does Vision fit in? Doesn't he have ties to Kree or some race like that? Or would we need Pym for Vision to be introduced into the series?

@Victus, you just putting that forward as your speculated scenario? You seem to be putting it in like a 'this will happen'. Care to elaborate?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

people also shouldn't think too hard on weather that gun is kree or skrull either... it could easily be either race... and both races have gone through hundreds of styled guns.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

This t:

You are definately one of my favorite posters Wolvie.

Ah, Phooey! :P

 

[MahvelBaby!]

After Red Skull unleashes the power of the cosmic cube, the ancient alien race Kree notice the unique energy signature coming from Earth. The Kree are constantly at war with the Skrull empire, who's sole purpose is to conquer all beings. So seeing the energy on Earth they,(The Kree,) decide to send a group of soldiers, to disguise themselves as humans, and to seek out the Cosmic Cube. We've already met one Kree soldier, in the comics his name is Walter Lawson. That weapon we saw in the set photo's, this one...

...looks really quite similar to...

Oh and the big reveal at the end, or post-credits... The reveal that a certain character is not whom he appears to be, and he is in fact a Skrull, sent to spy as well, only they not only want the cosmic cube, but to destroy earth as well....Sequel/s. Oh, and Thanos is going to be a part of this group, as the only non-Kree, and the Kree don't fully trust him, due to his unclear motives.

It would be cool if the film starts where Cap and Skull are battling and Red Skull gets sucked into the 8 Realms, then it pans out through light years and you see the Kree and/or Skrulls sense the energy.