The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - Part 15

[cherokeesam]

Here's one thing that I'm still puzzled by:

If an Alien army is invading Earth, shouldn't Thor bring in a bunch of his Asgardian Soldiers along with him to help defend Earth? I mean that's what Odin did against the Frost Giants in the past.

Speculation, but I'm going with the assumption that Thor gets back to Midgard by means other than the Bifrost Bridge (i.e., SHIELD/Avengers open a wormhole and get him back). In any event, he's likely cut off from Asgard, and/or Loki would make sure that it stays that way. Thor is on his own --- no backup from Daddy or the Warriors Three/Four.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

It's not that it isn't well made. It is and it does look good. It also immediately reminded me of Goldar when I saw him on screen. Even in that picture I can tell that his breast plate up to the shoulder pads look a little plastic. I think if a little extra time was taken to give it a more steel look then it would sell it better. I think it's that kind of attention to detail that makes LOTR such a good bunch of films. All that junk was real.

Also I guess I was destined to start posting power rangers pictures. Awesome

The Heimdall costume was real too. You think they should double check all their costume designs so as not to aggravate people sad enough to remember power ranger costume? :P

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Bobby, you just made me spit out my beer with that Goldar comparison. This is what I think happened: Heimdall decided to stop selling drugs after Omar shot him & seemingly killed him, so he went back to Asgard but met Goldar on a cosmic Greyhound bus & traded him some high quality narcotics for his outfit. I'm pretty sure that's how he got that Goldar-looking costume. But in other news, you think Pony Boy is hinting at The Deviants? That's where I'm putting my money.

Haha. I knew someone would appreciate the comparison. I mean I'll never get it out of my head. Can't unsee it.

My memory is a little fuzzy on the Deviants, but weren't they more ancient than modern? I remember reading somewhere that they landed on a more ancient Earth and started mutating after the form of homo erectus or something. And then only a few of them resembled skrulls slightly. I wouldn't say it's a stretch to say they could be. I'd honestly welcome any interpretation that doesn't involve skrulls, only because they're kind of predictable. If they're the invaders, that's fine, it'll work out, but I think they're better saved for future installments.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, I agree Cherokee. It'll be interesting to see if Thor's arrival is planned by Loki or is more of the unplanned contingency in his scheme.

 

[Xeno]

Here's one thing that I'm still puzzled by:

If an Alien army is invading Earth, shouldn't Thor bring in a bunch of his Asgardian Soldiers along with him to help defend Earth? I mean that's what Odin did against the Frost Giants in the past.

Well, I think it's safe to assume that even though Thor himself made it back to earth the other Asgardians are still trapped because Bifrost was shattered. SHIELD and Dr. Selvig undoubtedly worked overtime to get Thor back once they identified Loki as a major menace. If their method of retrieving him is a limited deal, then there would be no chance for him to call in otherworldly reinforcements.

Also, once Loki gets the Cube he would likely seal access to the Nine realms to prevent just such a thing from happening. He wouldn't want Odin zapping his azz from on high in the midst of his conquest, so he would have to take precautions.

That's my speculation.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

The Heimdall costume was real too. You think they should double check all their costume designs so as not to aggravate people sad enough to remember power ranger costume? :P

lol. I don't know why I remember Power Rangers so vividly. That was such a long time ago.

Screw it. THE PUTTY PATROL ARE INVADING NEW YORK CITY.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Putting some small group like the Deviants, the Eternals, the Celestials, or The Inhumans makes little sense. (a) they're not known at all by casual fans or GA; (b) the cosmic teams like these are so godawful powerful that they completely overshadow Loki, and "historically" could barely (if at all) be taken down by MASSED Avengers (say, 50-100 of 'em) --- no way in hell could just the Big Three + Hulk do the deed; (c) these metagods are all-powerful and generally tend towards good alignment or neutral rather than evil, and have no real reason to invade Earth; and (d) they're not known at all by casual fans or GA.

Look, I am 99.9% sure that this so-called leaked script that some of you have latched onto is complete and total bunk that has deliberately been spread to gullible leaksters in a coordinated misinfo campaign by Marvel. (Either that, or it was all fanboy wishism b.s. from the get-go.)

The bottom line is that now, even the MAINSTREAM media are going with the Skrulls leak, and are reporting it from several sources. Now, fanboy bloggers can get away with speculation and faux scripts all they want, but MAINSTREAM outlets have reputations to protect, and would not lightly go reporting this as fact unless they were sure of their sources.

The Skrulls have been the obvious choice from the very beginning. Marvel began hyping the hell out of Skrulls right around the time that the Avengers film was first announced; and it just makes sense that they would be actively promoting/merchandising the characters & villains in this movie to prep kids for the inevitable toy & gaming (and other stuff) blitz. Do you see that with Skrulls currently...? Yes. Do you see that with other aliens like Kree, or Deviants, or Inhumans, or whoever else....? No.

The writing is on the wall.
Skrull Invasion. Nothing "secret" about it....never was.

Well, I was the one who first published that the Skrulls would be mentioned in The Avengers, and what I said back then (about a year and a half ago) still stands. The Skrulls will get a nod but they are not the "invaders."

Saying that a newly named group of aliens won't mean anything to the general audience doesn't really matter. Asgardians, Howling Commandos and Hydra didn't mean anything to the GA until they got their due on screen. It's also much easier to de-power a small group of aliens than to say a group of 6 Avengers and SHIELD can stop a world wide alien invasion and make it believable and original. Besides, the Skrulls don't outright invade anyone, first the use subterfuge and integration, which can't be properly established in a two hour film.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Holy crap. Pony Boy, is it The Deviants??? If it is = HOLY CRAP!!!

Nope, not the Deviants

 

[marvel_freshman]

We saw a bit of it in the video, but they include a bit more of what went down for Cap's alley fight.

Chris Evans was filming a hush-hush scene in an alley off on East Ninth Street between Prospect and Euclid avenues Wednesday morning. The red, white and blue Avenger was chased by a flaming car, leaped onto the car roof, then fell to the ground. He promptly got up, retrieved his shield and was ready for action. Several people saw Evans donning the Cap uniform. A spectator said she saw Cap (likely a stunt double for Evans) scale the side of the building.

http://www.cleveland.com/avengers/index.ssf/2011/08/avengers_turning_cleveland_ohi.html

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

My memory is a little fuzzy on the Deviants, but weren't they more ancient than modern? I remember reading somewhere that they landed on a more ancient Earth and started mutating after the form of homo erectus or something. And then only a few of them resembled skrulls slightly. I wouldn't say it's a stretch to say they could be. I'd honestly welcome any interpretation that doesn't involve skrulls, only because they're kind of predictable. If they're the invaders, that's fine, it'll work out, but I think they're better saved for future installments.

Pony Boy says they're a small group in which each member has an actual name/personality so The Deviants fit the bill, plus from what I've read the invaders are shape-shifters so even though that made me think Skrulls, it could also be Deviants. They're a really intriguing bunch so I'd be happy if they were the foes. Common, Pony Boy, throw us a bone & beat Marvel to the reveal!!! (Maximus Decimus Baridius encouragement voice).

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Nope, not the Deviants

I'm calling Eternals, assuming you're not a treacherous Skrull sent to mislead us.

 

[Herolee10]

Speculation, but I'm going with the assumption that Thor gets back to Midgard by means other than the Bifrost Bridge (i.e., SHIELD/Avengers open a wormhole and get him back). In any event, he's likely cut off from Asgard, and/or Loki would make sure that it stays that way. Thor is on his own --- no backup from Daddy or the Warriors Three/Four.

Yeah, I agree Cherokee. It'll be interesting to see if Thor's arrival is planned by Loki or is more of the unplanned contingency in his scheme.

Well, I think it's safe to assume that even though Thor himself made it back to earth the other Asgardians are still trapped because Bifrost was shattered. SHIELD and Dr. Selvig undoubtedly worked overtime to get Thor back once they identified Loki as a major menace. If their method of retrieving him is a limited deal, then there would be no chance for him to call in otherworldly reinforcements.

Also, once Loki gets the Cube he would likely seal access to the Nine realms to prevent just such a thing from happening. He wouldn't want Odin zapping his azz from on high in the midst of his conquest, so he would have to take precautions.

That's my speculation.

Hmmm; I hadn't thought about that.lol Those are very good points indeed.

Should be interesting to see on what Loki's motives are this time around and if his characterization is anything executed the same way like it was in Thor, his true intentions may be ambiguous until the climactic moment.

I do remember Tom saying that Loki would be interested/invested in things far more pressing than getting revenge on his brother.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

EDIT: Ok, Pony Boy, so if they're not Deviants, are they INHUMANS?

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Mole people!

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But some of the alien races being mentioned here aren't traditionally evil, are they?

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'm calling Eternals, assuming you're not a treacherous Skrull sent to mislead us.

Nope. But I'd LOVE to see an Eternals movie

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Pony Boy says they're a group that we can identify through each individual member. That sounds like Inhumans. And I'm running out of options!!! (throws beer can at wall & fires repulsor blast at plasma TV).

 

[Poni_Boy]

But some of the alien races being mentioned here aren't traditionally evil, are they?

Think more along the lines of them being a threat to humanity than being inherently "evil"

 

[Hurm...]

it really shouldn't be hard to pull off realistic creepy alien versions of this....

Who created that? I have seen many designs similar to this (Joker, Batman, Bane) but I can't remember who made them. Whoever he is, he definitely deserves a job in the film industry (if he doesn't have one already).

 

[Whiskey Tango]

well damn.

 

[Poni_Boy]

(throws beer can at wall & fires repulsor blast at plasma TV).

Aww, I hate alcohol abuse

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Pony Boy, are they INHUMANS?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Just to put things in perspective again, while we all fanboy out, Poni-Boy, you're not with marvel but have a film/geeky news site. So this info is coming from a source that may or may not be true, yes?

 

[WarBlade]

That Heimdall costume is damn well made, and the way the armour layers in with the leather tunic is very well designed, incorporating Norse armor...

Norse armour?!?!? t:

Out of curiosity, which part incorporates a Norse armour design element? t:

 

[Xeno]

Why is everyone seemingly hellbent on making Coulson into a shapeshifter or something? Why can't he just be a mild mannered Shield agent who finally gets to have a badass moment onscreen?

I want to see him to crush an alien skull with his bare hand while firing a plasma rifle with the other, preferably while standing on some wreckage or a pile of dead alien carcasses.

Now that I can get behind.