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I still get excited over the fact that Feige has said that Loki's army is great in numbers, and how the Avengers will face many situations in the film where the odds are seemingly stacked way against them in the film.

Considering on what we know each Avenger is capable of doing, it's going to be awesome to see them all put to the test with their abilities and end up kicking all sorts of ass on the battlefield.
 
Speaking of which is Warmachine going to be in this?

I know that conversation has probably discussed to death but I mean he eventually has to show up. Why wouldn't Rhodes help.

There's still a whole bunch we haven't seen yet I figure.
 
It's been said that he's not showing up. I know it may be a bit odd when you think about it, but most people won't really notice when watching the film. I think it probably has more to do with not paying the money for a cameo or using one of the contracted sequels he has to be in with a small cameo.
 
Speaking of which is Warmachine going to be in this?

I know that conversation has probably discussed to death but I mean he eventually has to show up. Why wouldn't Rhodes help.

There's still a whole bunch we haven't seen yet I figure.

That's the million dollar questions isn't it? Why wouldn't Rhodes Show up?

Well for starters, I can tell you that it's been said Officially that War Machine is NOT in this film at all; why? Who knows.

In this film, the only heroes that'll be actively in it are the ones that we all know of.
 
It's been said that he's not showing up. I know it may be a bit odd when you think about it, but most people won't really notice when watching the film. I think it probably has more to do with not paying the money for a cameo or using one of the contracted sequels he has to be in with a small cameo.

If they went through so much trouble with establishing the validity of the continuity presented in TIH despite Norton's departure with "The Consultant", then I'm sure that Whedon may provide a explanation as to why Rhodey is not present in the events of the film on screen.
 
I guess it'll be explained...

Seems a little weird if its not touched on. My bet though is that Marvel is trying to keep quiet about it to keep it a surprise.

Plus they seem very keen on having cameo appearances of their existing universe why wouldn't they do it for The Avengers? Its not out of the question I guess is what I'm trying to get at.
 
I guess it'll be explained...

Seems a little weird if its not touched on. My bet though is that Marvel is trying to keep quiet about it to keep it a surprise.

Plus they seem very keen on having cameo appearances of their existing universe why wouldn't they do it for The Avengers? Its not out of the question I guess is what I'm trying to get at.

Well Feige did say that we shouldn't be expecting to see cameos from any other well known superheroes who aren't confirmed for the film since they want to place the entire focus on the heroes that we have and are aware of.

If the theory is true that the events of the Avengers take place 2 years after IM2, then there could be enough reasons made as to why Rhodey is not there.

Either way, I think it's best that we don't get cameos from other well known heroes since I rather they focus on who they have instead of going X Men: The Last Stand route, or even Origins, and show a bunch of heroes who won't bring anything to the story.
 
Marvel is far better than Fox at handling who is writing their films. So far the character intertwining has worked well and having hired an ensemble director for The Avengers is a big plus. If anyone could pull it off its Marvel studios their track record speaks for itself. Fox for the most part at the time of those X-Men films wasn't thinking quite right.

Q: Was that ever in the works?

DC: Me being in The Avengers? I have a contract to be in The Avengers but I’m glad they haven’t exercised that option yet. I need some down time."

- Source

There's always the possibility. This is from back in June of this year, I'd say its possible the option has been exercised or at least I'd like to think so. :hehe:
 
There's always the possibility. This is from back in June of this year, I'd say its possible the option has been exercised or at least I'd like to think so. :hehe:

lol; I think that if he were to show up in the Avengers, we would have heard about it now, and Feige's comments in the EW article pretty much sealed the deal for me that he's not appearing, and I'm glad honestly because War machine being there takes away the unique factor that Iron Man has on the team personally for me.
 
Hmm well see I suppose. I don't mean to sound I want the character in for very long but lending a helping hand in the final act wouldn't be too jarring. Something lasting a little over a minute definitely wouldn't harm the impact of Iron Man/Tony Starks arc at all seeing as him along with Thor, and CA and Banner to an extent will have gotten a ton of screen time to leave that impression.
 
Hmm well see I suppose. I don't mean to sound I want the character in for very long but lending a helping hand in the final act wouldn't be too jarring. Something lasting a little over a minute definitely wouldn't harm the impact of Iron Man/Tony Starks arc at all seeing as him along with Thor, and CA and Banner to an extent will have gotten a ton of screen time to leave that impression.

Perhaps but the point, or at least, this is what I've been getting from everything that I've been reading; the point of the avengers is for the presented members to learn on how to work together despite their differences in order to save the world.

Add another hero who didn't go through all of that development and trials alongside the other members into becoming a more cohesive unit despite their differences would just step on the entire process and effort into emphasizing the theme of the film.
 
I feel like Hulk will be temporarily back benched for the sequel but might still figure into the climax of Avengers 2 when the team needs him. He's a brilliant scientist and could cameo throughout as a lesser character working on some stuff back at HQ, give them some information, and then be done with that scene. I'd be happy, as long as they use him in another marvel movie at some point in the future (I think Feige is masterminding something...).

Why would Marvel toss away movie Hulk for a tv show in a different continuity? Now, when he could potentially get his popularity back through a movie that seems like it will be very Hulk heavy. Sure it's got Thor's villain, and Cap/Iron Man fighting for leadership, as well as the Cap adjusting angle. But they'll have to refocus on Banner to reintroduce him, especially under a new actor. And then we think Loki controls the Hulk somehow or for some reason Hawkeye takes him down when we have Avengers vs. Hulk. Then there's probably Hulk vs. Loki by themselves, Hulk vs. Loki's minions, any time Hulk transforms we don't know of... And most likely helping in a final battle etc. etc. It's also heavily about Banner being recruited and him being the outcast, and a liability, and his whole redemption arc. And Shield probably telling him what to do. Really the other Avengers are already pretty much with Shield (for the most part in Thor's case once Coulson vouches for him and he stops fighting Cap)

How many battles do you think Hulk will be in? I think we'll see a ton of Hulk in action. And tons of Banner too. Maybe enough for them to keep him on-call during the sequel, since he's already going to be transforming a lot here. And the cgi is expensive. A lot of the craziest action is going to be when Banner transforms. He could still show in the final battle of Avengers 2 though to cut down how much they would have to use him. They call him up in the middle of the night and say sorry dude these masters of evil are harder to fight than they sound. And he shows up to give them extra support. I bet Banner will still want to go without incident, and will be reluctant to use his "talents" unless the Avengers really need him. Even though he may have more control over the hulk and more of shield's confidence. I'm thinking his spot in the main four is filled by a more active member by the time Avengers 2 happens, but that Banner/hulk's still gonna show. Just not be focused on. Or completely part of the current team. Just do his ass kicking biznass and then turn back to Banner to fade into the background.

What if the show fills the spot of solo movies for Hulk? And Banner is played by someone else, but set more or less in the same continuity. Giving us what Hulk's been doing until the Avengers need him again, or if they decide to use him in a future Marvel movie. That way he's still out there and they could possibly move the character back into the movies somewhere down the line. At the same time creating opportunities for other franchises/characters that fail as movies, edit: or fail to return in the movies, to launch or cameo in the Hulk show.
 
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Anyone else want to take bets right now that Black Panther will be the main focus in the Avengers sequel?
 
Naw, but he's probably the most likely to join a sequel. Outside of the big 3 I think he has the best chance for a solo film to be very successful.

In terms of who I'd want in a sequel it'd be, in order

1 Ms Marvel
2 Black Panther
3 Wasp
4 Pym
5 Vision (He'd be higher if not for the excessive backstory required)
6 Scarlet Witch (Still not sure if Fox has the rights)

Obviously only one, maybe two should be added, that's just my order of preference
 
Wasp, Pym and Vision are my hopes for the sequel. I'm still hoping for Paul Bettany as Vision.
 
Anyone else want to take bets right now that Black Panther will be the main focus in the Avengers sequel?

I think you could be right. It makes sense if Hulk steps back, and Widow or Hawkeye, or both go back to shield. You need someone with that fighting style to balance the team. I expect him and Wakanda to figure prominently, though I don't care for the character that much. But think it's safe to say they at least plan to try to get Ant man in too. Maybe one more new recruit if both Widow and Hawkeye head to shield.
 
If Whedon comes back for the sequel, I think it's a pretty good bet that we'll see Ms. Marvel, Wasp, or (likely) both. After watching EMH, I can't wait for Wasp to join the team.
 
Wasp, Pym and Vision are my hopes for the sequel. I'm still hoping for Paul Bettany as Vision.



Vision is an androd correct? He was always kind of an interesting character to me...is he an Android built on earth or is he an android built on another planet
 
Ultron makes him based on the original Human Torch's body and Wonder Man's brain patterns
 
My ideal lineup/prediction for the sequel:
I sincerely hope they count Wasp and Pym as a package deal taking up only one Avenger slot in our 6 person lineup that we've got going. With one of them playing a more minor role. Or that they'll push it to 7 characters so we could have the main three, black panther, the Pyms, and Ms Marvel or someone equally cool in the sequel. With Hulk potentially showing up for the final battle as extra support.
 
Anyone else want to take bets right now that Black Panther will be the main focus in the Avengers sequel?

Depends on if BP gets a solo project. If he gets a solo, then I wouldn't expect an Avengers film to center around Wakanda. But if T'Challa is *introduced* in Avengers 2, then yeah, I'd expect Wakanda and vibranium to play major roles in the plot.

I'm leaning towards the focus of Avengers 2 being in space, though. I still believe Thanos is going to be strongly hinted at in this first movie, and will possibly even have a cameo that sets the stage for the sequel; and I believe that we'll see the Kree either in this movie or Avengers 2. So I fully expect that Mar-Vell and/or Carol Danvers will have big roles in Avengers 2.
 
Vision, She-Hulk, and Tigra are the only Avengers members that I really want to see in the future aside from Cap, Thor, Ironman, and Hulk. I can take or leave everyone else with the exception of Black Panther and Hercules.
 
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Well, in the sequel they have to have at least one female character in it to please the fanboys I suppose. It can't be a total sausage fest...though I gotta say Scarlet Johannsen must feel like the luckiest girl in the world. No wonder she's been on a hugging fest with the male cast members.
 
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