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[BigThor]

Atlantis would look radically different from Asgard, just from the ocean setting alone. The colors and buildings would be absolutely beautiful. Asgard looked great in Thor, but they didn't show it off as much they should have.

True, they didn't show off Asgard as much as they should have but hey that's sequel's are for.

I think if Atlantis were done in an MCU movie, it would be more visually stunning than Asgard. I won't know about the other 9 realms until they've been in a movie, though.

I don't believe it will be, but it is possible so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

http://io9.com/5850012/tom-hiddleston-reveals-why-joss-whedon-has-a-soft-spot-for-the-avengers-big-bad

Really good--and potentially revealing--interview with Hiddleston. We've seen some of these answers before, but not the entire session I don't think. I hadn't heard his explanation of why Loki chooses Earth.

In the interview he confirms that Odin won't be in the movie. Not that I expected his presence, but I wonder if Asgard will be shown since Thor can't get to Midgard.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

True, they didn't show off Asgard as much as they should have but hey that's sequel's are for.



I don't believe it will be, but it is possible so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

True, I can't wait to see what they do with Asgard and the other 8 realms in Thor 2! Well, except for Midgard.

I'm interested in knowing what convinces you that Atlantis' look wouldn't be better than Asgard's? Is it because you're not much of a Namor fan, or you just don't think the look of Atlantis is that good to begin with?

Brings me to my next question as well. Which do you think would look better in a movie, Wakanda or Atlantis?

 

[misjuevos]

Whatever happened to the inhumans movie idea. Is that still going through? I want to see captain marvel, the kree and the inhumans. Also sometime in the future I would love to see gladiator.

 

[Neo_3]

Aren't there different ways of traveling through realms than using the Bifrost?

 

[kedrell]

The underwater FX would be what distinguishes a Namor film from other superhero films. Asgard, as cool as it looked was still common in the sense that everything was still happening in an open air enviroment where people stood, walked, ran, rode or occassionally flew.

An underwater film with characters unencumbered by the need for enviromental gear to survive would be utterly unique. I don't think we've ever seen anything like it in live action.

 

[kedrell]

Aren't there different ways of traveling through realms than using the Bifrost?

According to Loki there are.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

And anyone who calls T'challa "just another acrobat" I invite you to go through this thread and it's many others. Really they're amazing fan wise:

My point is, his core power is being an acrobatic type who jumps around punching(or clawing) and kicking people.

They already have Cap and Black widow, whose core abilities are that of an acrobatic fighter(with Cap's shield being his main point of differentiation).

The JLA only has one acrobat type on it's roster in the shape of Batman right?
They might have come up with some extra weapons and stuff for him to use, but at his core, powers wise, he is just another acrobatic type. Not really a great departure powers wise from what they already have on the team.

 

[04nbod]

So, let me guess: you think a "black superhero" has to be African or 'hood? One or the other, right?

News flash: there are very few superheroes, period, that "require" a certain race to portray them, other than consistency with pictures in the funny books. There is nothing inherently "white" about Nick Fury, Kingpin, Catwoman or Heimdall, and yet there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when black actors/actresses applied for those roles. Same with the new black Spider-Man in the comics....nothing about Spidey is inherently "white." (And before you racial purists try to back up the Heimdall argument with, "but...but....he's a VIKING god"....then the same argument needs to apply to Australians, Brits, Welshmen and Americans playing the roles of Norse gods as well.)

Thor has more roots in Germanic lore before he migrates to Norse lore and remember, Vikings were known for their conquests and spread that lore throughout North West Europe including Britain. In fact, my town is Viking in origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirral_Peninsula#English_and_Norse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurstaston_Common

If you then consider the Irish and English exodus to Australia and America the entire Anglosphere becomes a part of this. Western European myths are the foundations of western culture as much as the greco-roman myths and Arthurian legend. Idris, as a British man, is embedded in that culture as much as any white man.

 

[TheDragonator]

My point is, his core power is being an acrobatic type who jumps around punching(or clawing) and kicking people.

They already have Cap and Black , whose core abilities are that of an acrobatic fighter(with Cap's shield being his main point of differentiation).

The JLA only has one acrobat type on it's roster in the shape of Batman right?
They might have some extra weapons and stuff for him to use, but at his core, powers wise, he is just another acrobatic type. Not really a great departure powers wise from what they already have on the team.

Isn't Black Canary an acrobat?

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Isn't Black Canary an acrobat?

Dude, just about every superhero who fights without flying uses acrobatics at some point. Black Canary has her canary scream, that is her superpower.

the best Avengers i can think of to bring something new to the screen power wise would be

Captain Marvel(Monica Rambeau)
Ant-Man and Wasp
The Vision

 

[Shadowlord X]

My point is, his core power is being an acrobatic type who jumps around punching(or clawing) and kicking people.

They already have Cap and Black widow, whose core abilities are that of an acrobatic fighter(with Cap's shield being his main point of differentiation).

The JLA only has one acrobat type on it's roster in the shape of Batman right?
They might have come up with some extra weapons and stuff for him to use, but at his core, powers wise, he is just another acrobatic type. Not really a great departure powers wise from what they already have on the team.

This is a valid point and might be one of the reasons MARVEL might not be looking to add BLACK PANTHER to the roster too soon.

However I do agree with others that there are ways to have him stand out:
- Wallcrawling with the claws
- Vibranium suit absorbing energy
- Vibranium energy throwing knives as with EMH
- Intelligence level challenging Tony Stark

Also if Black Widow is off the roster (replaced by female member WASP) then there is now room for another acrobatic character.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Also if Black Widow is off the roster (replaced by female member WASP) then there is now room for another acrobatic character.

But how many new characters will they realistically add to the roster in a sequel? Two perhaps?

I'd rather see something completely new brought to the screen, a woman who can change into light form, a husband and wife dynamic who both change into tiny insect sized heroes, an android who can alter his density and appear transparent(while at the same time bringing an entirely new character dynamic).

 

[Shadowlord X]

An interesting subplot in THE AVENGERS sequel, if BLACK PANTHER is added to the roster, would be to have intellectual clashing between him and Tony Stark/IRON MAN who in the end would have to accept that in BP he has an unexpected intellectual equal.

 

[Shadowlord X]

But how many new characters will they realistically add to the roster in a sequel? Two perhaps?

I'd rather see something completely new brought to the screen, a woman who can change into light form, a husband and wife dynamic who both change into tiny insect sized heroes, an android who can alter his density and appear transparent(while at the same time bringing an entirely new character dynamic).

How many characters will they add and who will leave is unknown at this point of course. It should depend on the audience response to the characters. I agree with you that all of those guys will bring something new and visually dynamic to the roster and movie. If it were up to me I would move Hawkeye and Black Widow off into a SHIELD or some other spin-off movie (BLACK WIDOW spy thriller???), let THE HULK go off on his own for a while (to return in a later sequel) and have a roster like this:

CAPTAIN AMERICA
IRON MAN
THOR
GOLIATH (Henry Pym)
WASP
BLACK PANTHER

But it's not up to me.

The great thing about it is that there are so many awesome characters to bring in that this franchise can keep going as long as the Bond movies have.

 

[cherokeesam]

I actually agree more or less, but the bolded I disagree with. Being an acting student myself, the entire issue of race for a role only goes as far as appearance when you're casting someone. If the character needs to be African American, they need only appear African American. It doesn't matter if they're half white, so long as they appear appropriate for the role and can act it effectively. The same with the issue of Norse Gods. They have to appear Norse. So basically, they have to appear as a White European would look. That's all that's required.

So you're saying "all you white people look alike?"

I understand the argument, and I don't necessarily disagree. But I'll point out that gods are not humans, and there's nothing that requires that they have a certain ethnicity that relates to the region in which they're generally worshipped. For instance, do you also object to movies about the Greek mythos (Clash of the Titans, etc.) featuring Western European actors who do *not* look remotely Greek/Mediterranean?

Thor has more roots in Germanic lore before he migrates to Norse lore and remember, Vikings were known for their conquests and spread that lore throughout North West Europe including Britain. In fact, my town is Viking in origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirral_Peninsula#English_and_Norse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurstaston_Common

If you then consider the Irish and English exodus to Australia and America the entire Anglosphere becomes a part of this. Western European myths are the foundations of western culture as much as the greco-roman myths and Arthurian legend. Idris, as a British man, is embedded in that culture as much as any white man.

+1, sir.

 

[cherokeesam]

Question: Assuming this is an invasion, and Thor was able to return to Earth via Rainbow Bridge, will The Avengers receive any form or type of reinforcement such as the JLA has aquired in the past with New Genesis, Legion of Superheroes, Suicide Squad and the Green Lantern Corps.?

The Asgardians are locked out of Midgard because Thor shattered the Bifrost. We've assumed from hints picked up about the movie that SHIELD and NASA (possibly helped by Selvig) manage to bring Thor to Earth by means of some device, perhaps powered by the Tesseract. Loki either got to Earth by other means or took advantage of a brief opening to follow Thor. The rest of the Asgardians are still incapable of coming to render aid, presumably.

Xeno pretty much nailed it.
I'm pretty sure Bifrost will still be on the fritz in Avengers; Thor's return to Midgard (voluntary or involuntary....not quite sure which yet) will most likely be arranged by Selvig opening a wormhole ("Einstein-Rosen Bridge," I guess, is the correct MCU terminology) in NASA/SHIELD's Joint Dark Energy Mission facility. And plot will probably dictate that Thor is the *only* one who can make it through from Asgard.

 

[Khemik@L]

since the talk has evolved to the future of the avengers franchise, i really want hank and janet to show up soon!

my pick for wasp,
Autumn Reeser

After seeing her portrayal on No Ordinary Family I support this 150%

 

[Avenger]

An interesting subplot in THE AVENGERS sequel, if BLACK PANTHER is added to the roster, would be to have intellectual clashing between him and Tony Stark/IRON MAN who in the end would have to accept that in BP he has an unexpected intellectual equal.

He already has an intellectual equal in Bruce Banner.

 

[Sebastos]

Dude, just about every superhero who fights without flying uses acrobatics at some point. Black Canary has her canary scream, that is her superpower.

the best Avengers i can think of to bring something new to the screen power wise would be

Captain Marvel(Monica Rambeau)
Ant-Man and Wasp
The Vision

I'd throw in Iron Fist and Dr. Strange in there but alas they'd be deemed not classic Avengers.

Though if Marvel were considering a Defenders movie, they could work there. The new series sounds really cool.

 

[steintym]

I finally read the description if the scene shown at NYCC. It sounds pretty amazing even though there wasn't a ton of action. Pretty cool some the insights that are given for Banner's character.

 

[Splat]

I'd say the only for sure Avengers to make it to the sequel will be Chris, Chris, and RDJ. I believe they all signed 6 movie deals, and Evans already stated that they wouldn't waste one of his apperances as a cameo in someone else's movie.

 

[Godzilla2000]

Guys, guys, why can't there be more than one female Avenger? Why does Scarlet have to not be in the sequel? Don't you think the choice to be in the next movie is hers, not yours?

 

[terry78]

Yeah, I agree in that sense. Having a couple chicks on the squad would deter the whole token female grrrl power thing. Especially if they're kind of opposite ends regarding their personalities.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Squirrel Girl. 'Nuff said.