The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 28

[Raiden]

I want them to take risks worth taking.

Why is there a need for a "film universe"?

If you want to make a movie about the Avengers, just make it. If you want to make a film that tells the story of the JLA, just make it.

Do it without shorting the concept of the individual character's stories and integrity by blending all the characters together in cross pollination in their individual stories.

Just like comic books. What purpose does "continuity" serve? They are individual stories.

Why does there need to be an entire "film universe" with "continuity" blanketed across multiple films, when actors are gained and lost in roles, thus alienating parts of the audience? ... or maybe certain movies haven't been seen by audience members that compromise some larger movie.

Just tell the story you want to tell, without all the self referencing, in jokes, nods to everything else, etc.

It gets to be too much. The only people I've seen really get into that stuff is the hardcore fans of the characters anyway. What purpose at all did finding Thor's hammer in IM 2 serve THAT particular story?

None. What so ever.

It seems to me that you're the person who detests grand vision and a bold step forward, and prefers status quo. Marvel has all these characters under their Marvel Studios banner, and instead of doing things the old way, they've made a decision (with plenty of risk factors) to create a MCU where all the characters actually exist in the same universe. Of course, nothing is perfect, and these decisions may have influenced how the MCU movies are made, but Marvel always allowed those movies to tell their own stories, while adding some references and cameos that alluded to a bigger universe.

And Marvel Studios' movies are all more or less solid, with good reviews and nice BO returns, using characters that aren't exactly household names like Superman and Batman. They are better than many other superhero movies who don't have a connected universe, so I don't see why MCU is blamed for any of their problems. Would removing MCU from those movies change them fundamentally? I don't think so, because they are quite faithful to their source materials and no matter what, they will be the same movies with or without the references, and judging from the reactions from fans and even non-fans, I think those movies are quite successful regardless of your opinion about them.

As for Mjornir making an after-credit cameo in IM2, it's called Easter Egg. And yes, it does served a purpose by acknowledging the fact that both Thor and IM exist in the same universe. But I guess you're against the idea of an Easter Egg too, right?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Trust me, Ant-Man isn't going to get the green light.

It is. The movie will be made! Not only because Ant-Man is a great character with a rich history, but also because Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish are master of their craft and will deliver a brillant script.
I bet the souls of my two firstborns, that An-Man will be in cinemas before Phase II ends.

 

[Herolee10]

I would hope that by the time Avengers 3 comes out that we would have had single and successful films for Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Antman & Wasp to have been released by then.

I think for lesser characters, the ones that Marvel Studios feels for some reason that they wouldn’t be able to hold a movie on their on as leads (like BW and Hawkeye apparently), they could introduce through supporting roles in the other hero films, or even in the short films that Marvel Studios has been talking about, or even just entirely in the Avengers film.

Man, I’m betting that the Third Avengers film would have a budget of 300 million.

 

[DyeLorean]

LOL! I was gonna post this but you beat me to it. My favorite part is when Loki throws Tony out the window and lands on the car in Caps uniform like WTF? LOL! That confused me in the real trailer as well!

The sound effects and the music just kills me t:

 

[Suzanne78]

*lurking through the last four pages of the thread*

The Sweded Avengers trailer was hilarious!

I see we need another round of drinks again... I'm buying. Also driving, as I can't actually drink

 

[Herolee10]

Okay, so to do a head count on things:

• We’ve discussed about why we feel Black Panther should have his own film and should be included in the next Roster for the Avengers.
• Endlessly talked about who the villains may be based on snippets and such.
• Discussed about the quality of previous MCU films.
• Which heroes we’d like to see next pop up in the MCU?

What’s next on our agenda?lol

 

[D'Evils]

If Ant-Man and Wasp, Black Panther gets made ... I eagerly away a Captain Planet and Ambiguously Gay Duo movie.

 

[marcvader]

Okay, so to do a head count on things:

• We’ve discussed about why we feel Black Panther should have his own film and should be included in the next Roster for the Avengers.
• Endlessly talked about who the villains may be based on snippets and such.
• Discussed about the quality of previous MCU films.
• Which heroes we’d like to see next pop up in the MCU?

What’s next on our agenda?lol

Mansion, helicarrier, or triskelion.

 

[Herolee10]

If Ant-Man and Wasp, Black Panther gets made ... I eagerly away a Captain Planet and Ambiguously Gay Duo movie.

What's wrong with the characters mentioned above?

Heck, I was one of the skeptics in wondering on how they end up making a film about Thor and Captain America for different reasons, and sure enough, they found a good way imho.

 

[Suzanne78]

If Ant-Man and Wasp, Black Panther gets made ... I eagerly away a Captain Planet and Ambiguously Gay Duo movie.

B-b-but... I've always wanted an Ambiguously Gay Duo movie!!

It's only ever been the greatest dream of my entire, small life!

 

[D'Evils]

What's wrong with the characters mentioned above?

Corny, cheesy, probably not intriguing enough to make a solid film.

If you were skeptical about Thor and Captain America, they have an even bigger mountain to climb with the other characters just mentioned.

 

[T"Challa]

If Ant-Man and Wasp, Black Panther gets made ... I eagerly away a Captain Planet and Ambiguously Gay Duo movie.

smh..Ant-Man if done right could be awesome. I have all the faith in the world in Edgar Wright. And as for BP, if u know anything about his origins and what he's about and u still feel he couldnt be a great character on the big screen, then i just don't know. Throw in the fact that he's african, and he could inject some much needed diversity (both racially and background wise) into this current stream of superhero movies

 

[D'Evils]

. Throw in the fact that he's african, and he could inject some much needed diversity (both racially and background wise) into this current stream of superhero movies

Blade already nailed that niche, though ...

Shame they had to follow it up with two atrocious sequels.



Just the name alone "Ant-Man" brings the LULZ

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Okay, so to do a head count on things:

• We’ve discussed about why we feel Black Panther should have his own film and should be included in the next Roster for the Avengers.
• Endlessly talked about who the villains may be based on snippets and such.
• Discussed about the quality of previous MCU films.
• Which heroes we’d like to see next pop up in the MCU?

What’s next on our agenda?lol

the dvd's of course..
will we get a Phase I dvd/br boxset and a Phase II dvd/br boxset or do you think we should wait for a giant MCU set with a gazillion movies?

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not sure what D'Evils point is. WB did Green Lantern and they just did it without all the self-referencing and it still wasn't as good or any better and it tanked.

Why can't Marvel try something new and different? If The Hobbit can do it, why can't Marvel films?

 

[D'Evils]

Let me guess...you have no idea about the character am I right?

It's not a character, much like Thor to be taken very seriously. Like I said, the name alone brings laughter to the surface. Even the screen writer has gone on record saying he plans to focus on the humerous elements. A man who developed a potion to change his size. With years and years of deep mythology and meaningful stories. Can't wait, as Ron Burgandy says ... should be compelling, and rich.

When is enough, enough with these superhero films. You know the well is tapped out when they are bound to make an Ant-Man movie.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Every new character from here on out is gonna seem like a stretch. Ant-Man, Black Panther, Namor, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Doc Strange...but honestly, I think they can all be done & all warrant their own franchises. The problem isn't adapting them to the big screen, its making them more than just "that year's superhero line-up". After X-Men, it was exciting to visit the new characters being adapted to film. Some were great (Spider Man) some never shoulda been attempted (Elektra). I want Namor to be a movie that blows my mind. I want BP to make Thor look like an episode of Care Bears. I want Iron Fist to be the action movie of the year that nobody can resist. I don't want another by-the-number origin story that's only being shown to you to prepare you for the joint venture 3 years down the line. That's what Cap was. Prep for Avengers. Namor doesn't even need to share his universe with the other Marvel heroes. I'd be fine with it happening in an Avengers film, but his origin film needs to be about him alone.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

It's not a character, much like Thor to be taken very seriously. Like I said, the name alone brings laughter to the surface. Even the screen writer has gone on record saying he plans to focus on the humerous elements. A man who developed a potion to change his size. With years and years of deep mythology and meaningful stories. Can't wait, as Ron Burgandy says ... should be compelling, and rich.

When is enough, enough with these superhero films. You know the well is tapped out when they are bound to make an Ant-Man movie.

No offense, but I think you should read a couple of Ant-Man issues. Pym is a very rich character, a scientific genius and a very integral part of the Marvel Universe.

I mean it's not like a teenager who get's bitten by a spider and get's a couple of spider traits and also happens to be very smart and invents a sticky fluid that he uses for making webs. THAT'S a ridiculous concept. I guess nobody should make a movie about that...even the name Spider-Man is hilarious...

 

[Sebastos]

Ignore button is your friend.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Ignore button is your friend.

Even with the option to ignore posters, flaming shouldn't be allowed on a forum that clearly states upon joining that it is not allowed. Not to mention, if someone I don't have on my ignore list quotes the flamer, I can still see his post.

 

[Herolee10]

Okay, here’s a question for everyone that I’ve been meaning to ask:

In your opinion folks, would you guys still look at the MCU films as favorably as you do now IF none of them were leading up to the Avengers, and were treated as standalone films that were unrelated to the Avengers universe like the rest of the Marvel films have been? Personally, I enjoy them for what they are though I’ve often asked myself if these films would be as strong as they are now if they didn’t have the large MCU to stand on as well.

I’m not trying to say that these films are bad by any means, or that they didn’t have solid stories of their own that didn’t directly relate to the Avengers, I’m just saying that when I think about some of the past Marvel films that weren’t a part of the MCU, I wonder if more scope and bigger threat levels could have been added to some of these films if the concern of saving a global threat for an Avengers film wasn’t a issue.

 

[Suzanne78]

Man, I have to say that all the trashing of Hank Pym makes me sad. When he's written well, as he has been in several Avengers arcs (notably Avengers Academy and Ant-Man and Wasp most recently) and on EMH, Hank shines. But I also have a soft spot for him. He's make horrible mistakes in the comics, but when the writer allows him to explore his darker side, he's absolutely compelling, IMO. And on EMH, he's a total geek and I love how he uses his brain and inventive nature to become an important part of the team.

So, personally, I'm Team Pym!

Also, I thought Cap was far more standalone than any other MCU movie, save for the first IM. Thor was way more Avengers prep. Not that I didn't like it though. I did love Cap far, far more though.

 

[Crimson King]

Man, I have to say that all the trashing of Hank Pym makes me sad. When he's written well, as he has been in several Avengers arcs (notably Avengers Academy and Ant-Man and Wasp most recently) and on EMH, Hank shines. But I also have a soft spot for him. He's make horrible mistakes in the comics, but when the writer allows him to explore his darker side, he's absolutely compelling, IMO. And on EMH, he's a total geek and I love how he uses his brain and inventive nature to become an important part of the team.

So, personally, I'm Team Pym!

Never fear! It's just one person and that same person has been bouncing around the Hype today, trying to flame various threads.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Man, I have to say that all the trashing of Hank Pym makes me sad. When he's written well, as he has been in several Avengers arcs (notably Avengers Academy and Ant-Man and Wasp most recently) and on EMH, Hank shines. But I also have a soft spot for him. He's make horrible mistakes in the comics, but when the writer allows him to explore his darker side, he's absolutely compelling, IMO. And on EMH, he's a total geek and I love how he uses his brain and inventive nature to become an important part of the team.

So, personally, I'm Team Pym!

We both are, I can't wait for that movie!

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Im not familiar with the other super heros, but I might have seen them in the cartoon show as a kid. I welcome more stand alone marvel films of heroes we haven't seen yet.