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[kedrell]

Carlo Siliotto did a fantastic job on The Punisher's music. I think he could've done Cap justice, not that I don't like what Silvestri's done.
It really kicks in at 1:35, has a strong Cap vibe in my opinion.
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I really dig Punisher'04's score. It was one of the best I've heard for a Marvel movie.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Carlo Siliotto did a fantastic job on The Punisher's music. I think he could've done Cap justice, not that I don't like what Silvestri's done.
It really kicks in at 1:35, has a strong Cap vibe in my opinion.
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I forgot how good that movie's score was. Infact, the whole movie was good IMO. It's probably THE most underrated superhero movie. I don't see why it got so much hate when it was released.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Those were pretty good and now that I hear it I do remember the Da Vinci Code track, which is really fitting to the scene. Zimmer is good but at times gets a bit repetitive imo. Still I guess it's not too bad when what's repeated is good.

Agreed. I believe some of Zimmer's work is repetitive (and tedious) but most of his work has been original and extraordinary.

I'm still in love with his Lion King soundtrack...

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I really dig Punisher'04's score. It was one of the best I've heard for a Marvel movie.

So true, outstanding work.

I forgot how good that movie's score was. Infact, the whole movie was good IMO. It's probably THE most underrated superhero movie. I don't see why it got so much hate when it was released.

I really agree with you here, The Punisher was a great movie, the fight with the Russian was a big highlight for me. It took a downgrade to the story and characters when Warzone came out, but Warzone had more gore and fit The Punisher's world a bit better.

Agreed. I believe some of Zimmer's work is repetitive (and tedious) but most of his work has been original and extraordinary.

I'm still in love with his Lion King soundtrack...

Yeah, me too.

 

[craigdbfan]

Alan Menken would have been a dream for this but alas. Silvestri isn't bad as I find him similar to Menken to a degree.

They've both worked together before too but when it comes to memorable scores Menken has done some amazing stuff.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I defenitely agree that the score to the Punisher (2004) was fantastic.

I also thought the score to Daredevil (2003) was great.

 

[Xeno]

Hmm, I just went and checked it out. No descernable melody I could tell. It's just real busy, like it's trying to throw everything at the listener in hopes of having something stick. I prefer melodies that stick with me.

The Cap & Thor end credits music both accomplish this wonderfully:

Thor's score is good, but I feel that Cap's has a truly epic scope that the other Marvel scores are lacking. The end themes from the two movies perfectly illustrate the difference. Silvestri gave Captain America a triumphant march that brilliantly recalled the heroic adventure films of the past and firmly tied CA:TFA in with that genre. That is the kind of majestic sweep I would like to see him bring to The Avengers.

To me, Cap's score was perfect, and the feel of it was solidified by one thing:

It sounded like something you'd hear in a Fourth of July Fireworks show.

That's it in a nutshell. The score for CA:TFA was heroic and patriotic without being at all hokey. It was the perfect score for a character who is, at his best, the embodiment of his country's ideals and spirit. My hope is that Silvestri will write a theme for each one of the Avengers that encapsulates their essence as succinctly as the one he penned for Captain America.

 

[CJ]

I forgot how good that movie's score was. Infact, the whole movie was good IMO. It's probably THE most underrated superhero movie. I don't see why it got so much hate when it was released.

I agree. Punisher 04 was the best Punisher movie ever made, and one of my favorite comic-book movies. A shame Tom Jane didn't return for WarZone.

I rented Captain America yesterday. The movie started out strong, but got a little dull as it went on. Red Skull wasn't that great of a villain.

I enjoyed the character of Steve Rogers though. He was weak, but had a strong heart and sense of integrity. I know everybody loves Iron Man, but I really hope Cap doesn't get overshadowed by him in The Avengers.

 

[cherokeesam]

Good gawd, the News and Speculation Thread needs some News and Speculation.

The last eight pages have turned into the "Avengers Score: Single, or Multiple Composer?" thread.

 

[marcvader]

Yeah, lame.

 

[Mako]

Good gawd, the News and Speculation Thread needs some News and Speculation.

The last eight pages have turned into the "Avengers Score: Single, or Multiple Composer?" thread.

So true, Hopefully things will start to pick up soon.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hey, at least we listened to some good music along the way .
It could be worse.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Hmm, I just went and checked it out. No descernable melody I could tell. It's just real busy, like it's trying to throw everything at the listener in hopes of having something stick. I prefer melodies that stick with me.

The Cap & Thor end credits music both accomplish this wonderfully:

Well done Kedrell.

That CA:TFA score music was what I was talking about. Truly exceptional and uplifting!!!

Thanx also for reminding me about the corresponding one from THOR; haunting and inspirational!!!

I think X-MEN and X2, and SM1 and SM2 are great movies (X2 is my personal fav movie of all time) but I never remember anything truly outstanding about the scores although I'm willing to be corrected. X3 is so much garbage that there may have been a good score in there and I would not have noticed as my blood was curdling in my veins.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

X3 may have been popcorn, but at least it was good popcorn - unlike Captain America, which was bland, tasteless popcorn.

 

[Xeno]

X3 may have been popcorn, but at least it was good popcorn - unlike Captain America, which was bland, tasteless popcorn.

X3 was an annoying mess that needlessly screwed around with the classic Dark Phoenix story and bungled the buildup from X2. All of the major characters were misused and abused for no real reason. It was one of the few movies that had me ready to leave the theater long before the closing credits rolled. Brett Ratner makes Michael Bay look like an auteur by comparison. It was right down there with Green Lantern and Daredevil in terms of quality, in my estimation. I walked out of the theater feeling like I'd had my pocket picked.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

The fact that X3 deviated from the source material doesn't make it the terrible film the fans of the comics made it out to be. To the average movie-goer (and a large number of critics) its solid summer fare. Great action, dazzling score, the most serious tone in the trilogy...Purists think that straying from the books makes for an immediate cinematic abomination. That's crap. Look at Hensleigh's Punisher film. Great film, but everyone hated it for not being a true "Punisher" movie. Again, crap. Captain America was close to its roots, but was it a great film? Not even close. This is an old argument that will never end in the comics community. "It wasn't like the original comic!!! THEY BUTCHERED IT!!!" No. I've read about what Dougherty & Harris wanted for X3 & it sounded pretty dull. Leave the cosmic entities to the Fantastic Four. The X-Men, cinematically at least, inhabit our world. The REAL world. I prefer the mother of all mutants/Class 5 angle on film a hundred times over cosmic starchild Jean Grey.

 

[Crimson King]

X3 was a disaster from top to bottom. They should've put that thing out of its misery before it was made.

 

[Mjölnir]

I never read much at all of Captain America (mostly just stuff when he's together with other heroes) but I found that his movie was more well made than X3. CA felt more focused and got it's points across better. X3 felt scattered and couldn't keep the tone from the previous movies well. The Phoenix came across as much less important than what a mutant with those powers should have been since she was just a means to an end for Magneto, she didn't really drive her own storyline.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

X3 was a disaster from top to bottom. They should've put that thing out of its misery before it was made.

That's what happens when you settle for a low-rent director and try to shove the product out the door instead of concentrating on quality.

 

[samsnee]

Honestly, after Cap saves the Commandos and officially becomes Captain America, it's all a blur. It was a montage of explosions, a short action piece on the train, and then he defeats Red Skull.

 

[cherokeesam]

The fact that X3 deviated from the source material doesn't make it the terrible film the fans of the comics made it out to be. To the average movie-goer (and a large number of critics) its solid summer fare. Great action, dazzling score, the most serious tone in the trilogy...Purists think that straying from the books makes for an immediate cinematic abomination. That's crap. Look at Hensleigh's Punisher film. Great film, but everyone hated it for not being a true "Punisher" movie. Again, crap. Captain America was close to its roots, but was it a great film? Not even close. This is an old argument that will never end in the comics community. "It wasn't like the original comic!!! THEY BUTCHERED IT!!!" No. I've read about what Dougherty & Harris wanted for X3 & it sounded pretty dull. Leave the cosmic entities to the Fantastic Four. The X-Men, cinematically at least, inhabit our world. The REAL world. I prefer the mother of all mutants/Class 5 angle on film a hundred times over cosmic starchild Jean Grey.

It wasn't "OMG NOT FAITHFUL TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL!!!" that made X3 the crapfest that everyone (including me, quite vocally) says it was. Instead, it was:

a) the fact that the driving force behind the success of the first two X-movies --- Singer and his team of writers --- left the project for SR;
b) the fact that Tom Rothman was such a *****e that potential replacement directors were rejecting X3 *in public* because they refused to work with Fox again;
c) the fact that Fox went ahead and rushed the project and willed it into being, giving it less than half a year for production, even without a director or script attached at all;
d) the fact that Fox's last minute draftee scraped the bottom of the barrel, Brett Ratner (I'm sure Uwe Boll was their alternate choice );
e) the fact that the script went through over two dozen rewrites in its short, battered existence;
f) the fact that the finished steaming heap of "product" clocked in at an hour and a half runtime, even though this was supposed to be the "epic" finale.

X3 was a complete waste of celluloid. Utterly.

 

[kedrell]

I haven't seen X3 since 2006 and all I remember was seeing it at a midnight show with an enthusiastic crowd so I felt I had a decent time. Went the next day to see it again so I could properly take it all in at a matinee and I literally walked out halfway through. It was just so blah. The uninspired dialogue, the wooden acting, the stupid humor and....Ugh! I just couldn't take it. I felt like I had ants in my pants, I just wanted to get the hell outta there. That was the day that I learned just how bad Brett Ratner is.

 

[kedrell]

Good gawd, the News and Speculation Thread needs some News and Speculation.

The last eight pages have turned into the "Avengers Score: Single, or Multiple Composer?" thread.

Well we're dwelling on the last piece of real info we received, which was who was scoring it. As soon as some new stuff comes in then that'll be the subject of the hour.

 

[Shadowlord X]

X3 may have been popcorn, but at least it was good popcorn - unlike Captain America, which was bland, tasteless popcorn.

LOL. Dude, you don't have to go that extra mile to absolutely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have incredibly poor taste and that your opinion is of no value whatsoever.

WE ALREADY KNOW THIS!

You are Alexei Belyakov. LOL.

 

[kedrell]

Well done Kedrell.

That CA:TFA score music was what I was talking about. Truly exceptional and uplifting!!!

Thanx also for reminding me about the corresponding one from THOR; haunting and inspirational!!!

I think X-MEN and X2, and SM1 and SM2 are great movies (X2 is my personal fav movie of all time) but I never remember anything truly outstanding about the scores although I'm willing to be corrected. X3 is so much garbage that there may have been a good score in there and I would not have noticed as my blood was curdling in my veins.

Thanks.

These are the only 2 bits in all of the 5 X-Men movies that I was able to get into:

X2
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Basically just from about 00:00-02:30

XM:FC
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Just 00:00-01:13

Aside from these I literally can't remember ANYTHING of the scores from any of those X-Men films. They just couldn't stick with me. But I like these at least.