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[misjuevos]

who is the artist for that new avengers? that is not just a flashy cover by someone else but romita jr is gonna come back is he. i really didn't like his art.

 

[RagingOvaries]

Wait... What now? They killed Thor for a second time now?

yes.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I think Bagley is doing the interiors, too.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

I like the current Avengers line that Bendis is writing. It's definitely a little wordy, but not in a bad way. It's surprisingly a good read.

Thor's "death" wouldn't have been so bad if they had actually shown him die in some way. Like, he literally killed the Serpent and then he just kinda fell over dead. It was supposed to be according to prophecy or something, but it made absolutely no sense.

Funny enough, Secret Avengers just did an issue where they pretty much discuss killing off heroes and bringing them back to life. It was pretty much the writers saying, "yeah, we know what we're doing, we've been doing it for years, and we're pretty much just going to keep doing it." Oh well.

 

[The Morningstar]

Naaaa... Bendisvengers is the worst they've ever been written. All the characters sound the same and talk like speech impediment afflicted teenagers.

 

[irapogi]

There's nothing movie related to talk about

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Naaaa... Bendisvengers is the worst they've ever been written. All the characters sound the same and talk like speech impediment afflicted teenagers.

Or.... not really.

The issue about Cap pretty much summarized my feelings about Steve Rogers in a way that I could never have put into words myself. I've really gotten a kick out of hearing what all these heroes have to say about each other and what it means for them to be on the team. I know it's wordy and all, but I don't think the lack action is something to criticize it about, which seems to be the major argument I've seen about it.

I feel like Bendis is very overlooked in the comic community. I'm not saying the guy is perfect, look at the current Ultimate Spider-Man line for evidence of pure crap, but overall he does a great job at helping the reader connect with the characters. I felt a very strong connection to Ultimate Peter Parker all throughout that run and the Avengers has really surprised me. I think the guy knows his stuff.

 

[The Morningstar]

It's nothing to do with lack of action. I mainly read Vertigo books, I'm used to talky comics.

But Bendis' Avengers is just ****e. This is an example of his dialogue.

W-whats happening?
I-I don't know?
B-but...?
T-this is not good!
I-I know!
Y-yea!

He tries to write prose like David Mamet or someone. Doesn't work in comic book form.

And his use of Kang and the Infinity Gauntlet was hilariously bad. Plus he doesn't give a **** about anyone elses work or continuity in general. He changes characters to fit his stories instead of writing stories to fit the characters all the time.

He is a good writer. Of street level stuff like Daredevil, Alias and Powers. But he can't write big league superheroics like Avengers.

 

[WildcatNC]

Marvel's writing went downhill when Quesada took over and still hasn't recovered.

 

[The Morningstar]

Well I don't know about that. There has been some truly great books. The whole cosmic line by DnA (which everyone should have been reading) was awesome. Annihilation is the best Marvel event ever. Incredible Hercules was great. Agents of Atlas. Captain Britain. Thunderbolts. Deadpool MAX. Punisher MAX. There is probably loads more but it's early and my brain isn't working at 100% yet

It's just the mainstream events and flag ship books have been crap. But then people should step out of their comfort zones and read books that ain't "important" to the status quo of the universe or don't feature a-listers.

 

[WildcatNC]

Well I don't know about that. There has been some truly great books. The whole cosmic line by DnA (which everyone should have been reading) was awesome. Annihilation is the best Marvel event ever. Incredible Hercules was great. Agents of Atlas. Captain Britain. Thunderbolts. Deadpool MAX. Punisher MAX. There is probably loads more but it's early and my brain isn't working at 100% yet

It's just the mainstream events and flag ship books have been crap. But then people should step out of their comfort zones and read books that ain't "important" to the status quo of the universe or don't feature a-listers.

That was my point. In the big picture, the flagship books and stories are what matters more than any.

 

[The Morningstar]

Only if you want them to. That's one of the reasons the comic industry is so crap right now. Readers just gobble up books with A-Listers even though they are crap. Whilst great books featuring lesser known characters get cancelled. So then you end up with books like Bendisvengers and Matt Fraction's Fear Itself.

 

[WildcatNC]

Only if you want them to. That's one of the reasons the comic industry is so crap right now. Readers just gobble up books with A-Listers even though they are crap. Whilst great books featuring lesser known characters get cancelled. So then you end up with books like Bendisvengers and Matt Fraction's Fear Itself.

Not really. You like who you like. Most people aren't just "comic" fans, they particularly like certain characters and books. It is how it is.

I get what your saying and your right to an extent. I'm also not saying I personally think everything boils down to the flagship books, but in the big picture of the general comic industry, that's exactly the case. They are the flagship books for a reason.

 

[Superhero 101]

Whoa didnt thor just come back from the dead recently and they killed him off? Madness!!

 

[WildcatNC]

Whoa didnt thor just come back from the dead recently and they killed him off? Madness!!

 

[Caboose]

Well I don't know about that. There has been some truly great books. The whole cosmic line by DnA (which everyone should have been reading) was awesome. Annihilation is the best Marvel event ever.

QFT, that was awesome.

 

[Vartha]

It's so corny and forced... We already had him brought back for that great JMS run, and who honestly believes he is dead now? It's like when Cap died, but we knew there was going to be a Captain America movie... Did anyone honestly believe then he was gonna stay dead?

still no reason to kill them. Sheesh there ARE other ways to tell a story without killing major characters off

 

[DyeLorean]

I agree, there's no need to kill major characters off, but it's also an interesting oportunity to explore all those "what if...". Still, no reason to do that every time.

 

[bored]

It'd be okay if the events didn't happen so bloody often.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I agree, there's no need to kill major characters off, but it's also an interesting oportunity to explore all those "what if...". Still, no reason to do that every time.

It lost it's steam a while ago, if you ask me.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

He is a good writer. Of street level stuff like Daredevil, Alias and Powers. But he can't write big league superheroics like Avengers.

Even Bendis knows this. Back pre-Disassembled when he was still on Daredevil he made a mention of how crime books and street level stuff was his forte and he wasn't really interested in doing a team book because he knew he'd have a hard time handling so many different characters.

And then they handed him the reins anyway. I've liked most of his stuff myself but you can tell he struggles a bit.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Are we supposed to be getting anything today???

 

[Raiden]

Whoa didnt thor just come back from the dead recently and they killed him off? Madness!!

I agree. Why kill Thor off a second time when he was dead not long ago? And everyone knows that he'll be back before the movie hits the theatre, so all this drama is really for nothing except maybe to boost sales in the short term.

 

[Godzilla2000]

I still stand by the idea that we need to keep tabs on the Marvel characters' Death Counts.

 

[RagingOvaries]

Are we supposed to be getting anything today???

I dunno, I've lost hope though.