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[craigdbfan]

Oh you definitely can tell GL was attempting to be that movie, but GL failed at doing this not because a compelling DCU on film can't be made. Smallville arguable did it fairly well, so it can work. The problem was the movie itself. I think DC could make a great Justice League, much like Marvel is giving us a great Avengers. However, I have favoritism towards Avengers, so I am naturally happier that it was the Avengers that got it right. This is seriously a dream come true for us long time Avengers readers.

GL: First Flight got it right and that was just an animated movie. Leagues better than the actual live action movie as well.

 

[Raiden]

Oh you definitely can tell GL was attempting to be that movie, but GL failed at doing this not because a compelling DCU on film can't be made. Smallville arguable did it fairly well, so it can work. The problem was the movie itself. I think DC could make a great Justice League, much like Marvel is giving us a great Avengers. However, I have favoritism towards Avengers, so I am naturally happier that it was the Avengers that got it right. This is seriously a dream come true for us long time Avengers readers.

Actually, WB has greater potential to make an amazing JLA movie than Marvel could with Avengers, since they have full access to all their characters but Marvel doesn't (which eliminates Spider-Man on Avengers idea). But unfortunately WB insists on making each of their movies in their own universe, so JLA is not possible unless they start thinking outside the box.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Know what guys? The general audience is liking everything Marvel is dishing. Why stop?

Yup starting with "Rip-offs" Moon Knight and Nova, t:

 

[Spider-Fan]

Actually, WB has greater potential to make an amazing JLA movie than Marvel could with Avengers, since they have full access to all their characters but Marvel doesn't (which eliminates Spider-Man on Avengers idea). But unfortunately WB insists on making each of their movies in their own universe, so JLA is not possible unless they start thinking outside the box.

I personally am glad Spider-Man can't be an Avenger. I love Spider-Man, but in all the comics in recent years, the Avengers move just hasn't worked for him IMO. I prefer the movies stick to the true core Avengers, as opposed to attempt to shoehorn Spider-Man or Wolverine in just because they are popular. It is in this way, I am glad Marvel doesn't own them.

I do agree, DC needs to think outside the box. The risk they took on GL was not the problem with attempting it. They just tried too hard to make GL a movie everyone will like and in doing so, they made a film few people liked. It is often the cost of playing it too safe.

 

[Chewy]

Avengers don't need Spidey to be great

However in a perfect world we would have gotten an X-Men movie with the Brotherhood as baddies which would have led into Scarlet Witch being in the Avengers

 

[craigdbfan]

Actually, WB has greater potential to make an amazing JLA movie than Marvel could with Avengers, since they have full access to all their characters but Marvel doesn't (which eliminates Spider-Man on Avengers idea). But unfortunately WB insists on making each of their movies in their own universe, so JLA is not possible unless they start thinking outside the box.

If (will) Avengers makes a ton of money (over $750 mil WW) at the box office I think they may want to rethink their strategy.

I think Nolan is a great director and is definitely one of my favorites but I'm not sure he's steering them completely in the right way by not following a more similar layout as the Marvel movies when it comes to establishing a shared universe. He keeps insisting that they should all take place in their individual continuity. Definitely the right move for his own Batman films but Man of Steel would have been the perfect venue (like Iron Man was for Marvel) to start a new interconnected universe hinting at Batman (not Nolans version but the "reinvented" one WB has in mind) and the formation of the JL.

A missed opportunity I think.

 

[The Watcher]

People realize that the few who argued that the above scene depicted one of the Leviathans were correct, right?

 

[Smashlilman]

Oh you definitely can tell GL was attempting to be that movie, but GL failed at doing this not because a compelling DCU on film can't be made. Smallville arguable did it fairly well, so it can work. The problem was the movie itself. I think DC could make a great Justice League, much like Marvel is giving us a great Avengers. However, I have favoritism towards Avengers, so I am naturally happier that it was the Avengers that got it right. This is seriously a dream come true for us long time Avengers readers.

I'm was mainly a DC fan. Superman was my number one hero and his movie was the only superhero movie I truly cared about but then after Superman returns all my hopes and dreams for DC based films (non-batman) died. Now I'm living out my DC dreams through Marvel. lol

People realize that the few who argued that the above scene depicted one of the Leviathans were correct, right?

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I do agree, DC needs to think outside the box. The risk they took on GL was not the problem with attempting it. They just tried too hard to make GL a movie everyone will like and in doing so, they made a film few people liked. It is often the cost of playing it too safe.

If DC was trying to recreate Iron Man's success I don't understand why they didn't actually come close to that. Iron Man did so well because of it's charismatic lead, because the main hero looked/was badass, because the main villain looked/was badass, because it had clever dialogue and because it had a refreshing story. Green Lantern could have achieved those things easily, but it's like they didn't even try.

 

[cherokeesam]

People realize that the few who argued that the above scene depicted one of the Leviathans were correct, right?

Yup.
Which means our "fire-breathing dragon" that some people scoffed about is, in fact, just that. Apparently a biomechanical one, or fully mechanical, but w/e.

 

[Quasimod0]

You think that shot is of the thing breathing fire or exploding?

 

[Spider-Fan]

If DC was trying to recreate Iron Man's success I don't understand why they didn't actually come close to that. Iron Man did so well because of it's charismatic lead, because the main hero looked/was badass, because the main villain looked/was badass, because it had clever dialogue and because it had a refreshing story. Green Lantern could have achieved those things easily, but it's like they didn't even try.

They didn't trust the material enough. That was the problem.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I'm was mainly a DC fan. Superman was my number one hero and his movie was the only superhero movie I truly cared about but then after Superman returns all my hopes and dreams for DC based films (non-batman) died. Now I'm living out my DC dreams through Marvel. lol

Agreed. When I was younger I was a DC fanatic. You couldn't tell me DC wasn't Marvel's equal or superior. At the time, the only Marvel characters I really cared about was Spidey and Hulk. Everyone else didn't matter so much. I knew of and liked other characters but I was still more in love with DC, espcially with JLA over the Avengers. JLA was a much better group than The Avengers (I still feel they are in many ways).

As I've gotten older, my opinions have changed and I find myslef being much more of a Marvel fanboy now considering I've learned and read other character's books.

I have been very disappointed with DC in comparison with Marvel when it comes to films. I hate the fact that the only heroes they seem capable of bringing to film properly are Batman and Superman, especially Batman. Depending on how you look at it, every Batman film has been great when you consider certain eras of the Batman character.

Batman is the best selling movie superhero. Because of this, I think DC/WB should definitely build the new franchise build to JLA around Supes to bring some more credability to him. Also, while I personally fell GL wasn't that bad (they tried to hard with the fan service spots and the story suffered) they need to bring in some better directors like Marvel has but again, like Marvel, make sure not to give these directors to much creative freedom where the character gets changed beyond any recognition outside of name.

BTW, what if The Avengers 2 and (hopefully) JLA released in the same year? I think we'd have seizures from the pure epic.

 

[The Watcher]

Lmao. Well, humbleness is a good trait to have.

I'm not sure whether it's breathing fire or exploding, though.

Also, if I can say - I'm utterly confused about the people who, after the release of this trailer, are somewhat criticizing RIM and other insiders as to their reliability. RIM mentioned it was 'spoilerific', and the trailer could certainly be interpreted that way.

I mean we got a look at the Leviathan (which, up till now, had been a mystery, more or less), we got more shots of the aliens (including the one still with those two giant ones on some portable platforms, it seems) and the stand-off/fight between Thor, Iron Man and Captain America was visually spoiled.

As far as I see it, RIM and some other insiders were correct yet again.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Does anyone else think that this image:

Might be caused by:

Spoiler

Which happens after:

Spoiler

?

 

[cherokeesam]

Does anyone else think that this image:

Might be caused by:

Spoiler

Which happens after:

Spoiler

?

As I said in the other thread: I think Widow's shocked, hurt look is caused by

Spoiler

Hawkeye betraying her, and helping Loki escape from his prison. He's probably mind-controlled, but Widow doesn't know that yet.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

As I said in the other thread: I think Widow's shocked, hurt look is caused by

Spoiler

Hawkeye betraying her, and helping Loki escape from his prison. He's probably mind-controlled, but Widow doesn't know that yet.

That's a good possibility. Here's what I think:

The floor patterns with Banner Hulking out and Widow looking traumatized are identical, so it seems like it's in the same room. The pipes behind her also look like they've collapsed onto her legs, perhaps from damage done by the Hulk. He was seen lifting up a pipe in his Hulk out after all.

 

[flickchick85]

I actually suspect that this shot:

...might be from Widow's POV on the floor in that .gif. Because she's witnessing him hulking out, and - especially if it's the first time she's seen it - it would be F***ING TERRIFYING. Just like her face indicates.

Plus, she's probably on the floor because of whatever caused all that destruction around Banner ([blackout]Hawkey/Loki destruction?[/blackout]). He obviously hasn't hulked out just yet, and already there are fallen pipes/debris all around.

 

[DyeLorean]

At least the floor is the same.

 

[Chewy]

Yeah, it all matches that scene. It describes her as pulling herself free from rubble on the floor, pleading with Bruce not to change/to calm down

 

[Praxis222]

Hey guys, I'm not sure if this is the place for this but I figured with everyone tossing out their own ideas for character solo flicks, why not?

Now I'm by no means well versed in this character (truth be told my only real experience with him comes from Bendis's Avengers run post Avengers Disassembled and pre-Dark Avengers era), and I don't know too much about his history BUT I would LOVE to see this happen...

A Doctor Strange movie as directed by Darren Aronsofsky with a script (by some miracle) by David Mack.

I just think the combination of those two could bring us a film that's both beautifully cerebral and metaphorically abstract and philosophical enough to do the character justice and contain the kind of elements a movie about mysticism requires. And with Aronofsky's history it could end up looking visually arresting and present some of the most boldly unique kinds of action for this genre of film.

This would be a VERY different kind of marvel movie and, more importantly, a different kind of film in general that in the long run I think would actually be very important in establishing Marvel as a REAL movie studio (think about how cool it could be to have all kinds of movies that, at their core, are about heroes, but on the surface belong to ALL the different genres of film making)

It could be quite a large risk, considering Aronosfky's films have always played more to peoples minds rather than their wallets, but that seems to be exactly why Marvel studios is flying so high at the moment.

Anyways, any thoughts?

 

[bunk]

You think that shot is of the thing breathing fire or exploding?

Yeah, I figured somebody was attacking it. Fire breathing would be interesting though.

 

[Quasimod0]

Are her legs trapped under something?

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I actually suspect that this shot:


...might be from Widow's POV on the floor in that .gif. Because she's witnessing him hulking out, and - especially if it's the first time she's seen it - it would be F***ING TERRIFYING. Just like her face indicates.

Plus, she's probably on the floor because of whatever caused all that destruction around Banner ([blackout]Hawkey/Loki destruction?[/blackout]). He obviously hasn't hulked out just yet, and already there are fallen pipes/debris all around.

Widow looks like she's sweating in the .gif, as if she just got done running. She also isn't directly focusing on something with her eyes, and if Banner were Hulking out I don't think she'd look away. It looks like she's reflecting on something that just happened.

 

[Chewy]

Are her legs trapped under something?

Yeah those same kind of pipes that are around Bruce