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[Rock Sexton]

I have a question. People keep staying that the Watchmen couldn't fight there Giant squid because it wouldn't look right but Hell boy fought his squid monster and no one complained. So do you guys think that the Avengers fighting the leviathan/s will open the door for more exotic monster to show up in Superhero movies and silence the nay sayers?

It's really not as simple as that. It all depends on the context. Obviously a movie like Hellboy people are going to accept seeing "exotic" creatures as the movie establishes that kind of universe.

Watchmen's movie did not do that IMO. The Avengers, due to Thor/Loki's involvements, essentially allows for it and to not seem out of place.

 

[Smashlilman]

No offense, but you're trippin' if you think you're gonna see something like that in the movie-verse. There stands as much chance of the GA laughing at that like "Really???" as there does them being in awe. The disparity of the size factor alone can create issues with suspension of disbelief.

Once you set up the Movie verse rules the GA will accept it as long as you don't violate the rules you set. for the Hulk it will be he get stronger and stronger. If they show him doing greater and greater feats and he get to the point to were he could lift something that large the GA will accept it.

 

[BigThor]

Just to comment.

I agree with BigThor on the trailer. As MAGNIFICENT as it is, it could have been improved with a real money shot for THOR and CAPTAIN AMERICA. If I were to modify it slightly, the battle scene with IRON MAN and the alien sky cycles in the streets would not of been followed immediately by the scene with him flying up towards the portal, but rather I would have replaced that with a cool shot of CAP and THOR back to back battling the alien ground forces with cool moves, OR the shot of CAP leaping off the bus followed by THOR hammering the car into the air. THEN I'd have the shot of IRON MAN being knocked out of the air and caught by HULK.

However in the end I really don't mind that they have saved so much for the real movie.

It's virtually a PERFECT trailer!!!

I agree and I'm glad that we have similar views on the trailer.

Iron Man seems to be the one whom the general audience are quite happy to admit that they find him cool to like, even if they are non comic fans. He simply seems to be someone who resonates with people - not just RDJ but the whole concept: confident fast-talking Alpha male, playboy, fast cars, cool gadgets, beautiful women, lots of money etc.

Hulk, on the other hand, although well known, seems to be the character that most of the general public go at, particularly as he's perceived as this mindless raging monster. He seems to epitomise the comic book movie that only appeals to a very specific audience. He simply doesn't have the same broad appeal as Iron Man.

Exactly

 

[Rock Sexton]

Once you set up the Movie verse rules the GA will accept it as long as you don't violate the rules you set. for the Hulk it will be he get stronger and stronger. If they show him doing greater and greater feats and he get to the point to were he could lift something that large the GA will accept it.

They have not set up rules for Hulk to toss something that size like an ant .... and regardless there are limits regardless of what you throw at the GA. They are not subservient to just everything. If Hulk could easily do that, then it relegates the need for the whole Avengers clique to less necessary. He would be a one-man wrecking machine. There has to be a struggle.

 

[Shadowlord X]

I think it's bit unfair to judge HULK popularity on the performance of his two films.

TIH suffered because of the first one. The first film really left a bad taste in people's mouths, both fans and non-fans. I know there are people here who will defend it but that's irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that it was a COMPLETE MISFIRE.

Thus people just were not interested when TIH came about. I know several people who ignored it completely when it came out and saw it for the first time relatively recently and loved it. TIH is a really good movie.

I suspect also that marketing research at the time percieved a lack of interest from the GA and the decision was made to limit the promotion of the film.

HULK is and has been for a long tiem an A lister, maybe an A- lister now.

 

[Smashlilman]

lol i don't know if this will be a runing theme in the movie but form the trailer and the behind the scene set stuff, it look like the movie should be called Saving Captain Rogers.

 

[Hawkingbird]

I've noticed there's not allot of talk on Hawkeye. Come on guys, Hawkeye's frigging amazing! And he looks fing brilliant!

 

[Shadowlord X]

Superman has one of the best rogues gallery of any hero. Some of the villains are more out there like Mxyzptlk but they could still be portrayed on film.

I hope that WB learns that. I'm happy with the villain choice in the current Man of Steel film but I hope they bring in other villains such as Bizarro or Brainiac.

I'm not a Superman fan but I respect him as the superhero progenitor; he's bit too been there done that for me.

However I agree that his rogue's gallery is excellent. I'm actually quite disappointed that they picked relatively mundane, done already villains for MOS. I would have gone with Brainiac and Metallo myself (in fact I though up a plot with those 2 that IMO was really good; forgotten it now).

Although I suspect the reason they went with Zod (again) is that the budget doesn't support more exotic villains.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think it's bit unfair to judge HULK popularity on the performance of his two films.

TIH suffered because of the first one. The first film really left a bad taste in people's mouths, both fans and non-fans. I know there are people here who will defend it but that's irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that it was a COMPLETE MISFIRE.

Thus people just were not interested when TIH came about. I know several people who ignored it completely when it came out and saw it for the first time relatively recently and loved it. TIH is a really good movie.

I suspect also that marketing research at the time percieved a lack of interest from the GA and the decision was made to limit the promotion of the film.

HULK is and has been for a long tiem an A lister, maybe an A- lister now.

I don't think Hulk is simply judged on the success of his two films. Even at the time that Ang Lee's movie was about to come out (ie before it could even be a success or failure), I remember people still rolling their eyes at the thought of him, whereas with Spider-Man he was thought of as cool.

People seem to think you're more of a comic book nerd if you say you're going to watch the Hulk compared to if you say you're going to watch Spider-Man or Iron Man.

It's just the Hulk concept that doesn't sit as well with the general audience. He's undoubtedly extremely well known, but more in the same way that King Kong is well known compared to someone like James Bond. James Bond simply has a broader appeal and Iron Man is almost like the Bond concept except with added armour.

Hulk just doesn't draw in other casual moviegoers who might not necessarily like comic films. That is undoubtedly part of why he's not been as successful in movies, apart from the problems inherent in the actual films themselves.

 

[Smashlilman]

It's really not as simple as that. It all depends on the context. Obviously a movie like Hellboy people are going to accept seeing "exotic" creatures as the movie establishes that kind of universe.

Watchmen's movie did not do that IMO. The Avengers, due to Thor/Loki's involvements, essentially allows for it and to not seem out of place.

Anything can be done. Its just up to the director to have some courage and vision. Kind of remind me of when Brett Ratner neutered the Phoenix and the Juggernaut because they didn't fit mutant mold he had in his mind.

 

[BigThor]

However I agree that his rogue's gallery is excellent. I'm actually quite disappointed that they picked relatively mundane, done already villains for MOS. I would have gone with Brainiac and Metallo myself (in fact I though up a plot with those 2 that IMO was really good; forgotten it now).

Although I suspect the reason they went with Zod (again) is that the budget doesn't support more exotic villains.

Yeah I would've loved to see Brianiac as the main villain of MOS with Metallo as his "muscle", I wasn't too pleased to hear that General Zod would return as the villain in a Superman film.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Absolutely... dude would knock it out of the park. Never occured to me.

And just picture this father-son duo

The simple word is...win.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Anybody else keen on Emily Blunt being Spider Woman?

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Aldis Hodge is likeable and personable enough in his own right to bring Black Panther to life without him seeming like a royal bore (pun intended). While I'm sure someone like Djimon Honsou would do well and could certainly portray T'Challa's regal qualities, I'm not sure how interesting he would really be that audiences would really invest in his journey from someone who has the BP mantle thrust upon him to a confident ruler. Hodge has age on his side and is probably more humourous and easy going than Honsou in general, but can also play serious.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Anything can be done. Its just up to the director to have some courage and vision. Kind of remind me of when Brett Ratner neutered the Phoenix and the Juggernaut because they didn't fit mutant mold he had in his mind.

You seriously need to separate the comic-verse from the movie-verse. "Anything" cannot be done because of inherent story telling flaws that a script writer faces. You risk punching major holes in the struggle you're trying to establish for the movies central characters.

 

[Smashlilman]

They have not set up rules for Hulk to toss something that size like an ant .... and regardless there are limits regardless of what you throw at the GA. They are not subservient to just everything. If Hulk could easily do that, then it relegates the need for the whole Avengers clique to less necessary. He would be a one-man wrecking machine. There has to be a struggle.

Um nope. The Strength of Loki's forces determines the need for the team. Not the Strength of the Hulk or Thor or any super hero for that matter.

Plus the Avengers Team is based around Cap, Ironman, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. Hulk and Thor join the team after the fact. They that are there to sever as the Heavy arms for the other member.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Um nope. The Strength of his enemies determines the need for the team. Not the Strength of the Hulk or Thor or any super hero for that matter.

Plus the Avengers Team is based around Cap, Ironman, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. Hulk and Thor join the team after the fact. They that are there to sever as the Heavy arms for the other member.

Fury knew he'd be fighting a giant armored serpent?

The strength of the heroes has to be kept within limits in order to prevent issues with their struggle in the movie. If all Hulk has to do is grab the Leviathon by the tail then it makes everything else seem so pointless. Nobody else is necessary. Just turn your giant green rage monster on the invaders and that should suffice because after all, he can toss a creature the size of an NY building.

 

[BigThor]

Um nope. The Strength of Loki's forces determines the need for the team. Not the Strength of the Hulk or Thor or any super hero for that matter.

Plus the Avengers Team is based around Cap, Ironman, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. Hulk and Thor join the team after the fact. They that are there to sever as the Heavy arms for the other member.

Actually the team is based around Thor and Hulk as well, remember Coulson wanted to debrief Thor in his solo film and Tony Stark met up with General Ross to discuss Hulk in TIH.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Look, I think we should just accept that the key characters are Cap, Hulk, Iron Man and Thor..
...but I still love Hawkeye and Widow

 

[Dark Raven]

Anybody else keen on Emily Blunt being Spider Woman?

She wouldn't be a bad suggestion at all! I never thought of her before but she could do it.

Jessica Drew was meant to be British anyway and she would certainly be able to capture that aspect of her. She even has the right colour hair for Jessica to portray her early years before she began dyeing her hair black and kind of looks like early Jessica Drew too.

 

[Hawkingbird]

She wouldn't be a bad suggestion at all! I never thought of her before but she could do it.

Jessica Drew was meant to be British anyway and she would certainly be able to capture that aspect of her. She even has the right colour hair for Jessica to portray her early years before she began dyeing her hair black and kind of looks like early Jessica Drew too.

If not, she can also use hair dye t:

 

[BigThor]

Look, I think we should just accept that the key characters are Cap, Hulk, Iron Man and Thor..
...but I still love Hawkeye and Widow

Hawkeye and Black Widow are cool as well, it's just that there's more to talk about with the other heroes due to them having their own solo films.

 

[Dark Raven]

I should know a lot more about the Avengers. I have all the comics online but I just haven't read half of them. There just isn't time.

 

[Vartha]

If not, she can also use hair dye t:

lol yeah I thought about that about a year ago. it's been how many years since Jess dyed her hair? THEN the wig? lol

 

[Moridin]

There well know because they were massively popular at one point.

Oh definitely, no argument there. They've largely fallen out of favour since though.

Superman has one of the best rogues gallery of any hero. Some of the villains are more out there like Mxyzptlk

Not being a comic reader, how in the BeeJesus would one pronounce that?