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[SpideyFan866]

This is the route I would take with the Superman films.

MOS - Brainiac & Metallo

MOS 2 - Doomsday found and unleashed by Lex Luthor

MOS 3 - Darkseid & his Parademons

I'd much rather Darkseid be the villain of a JLA film but I do like the Doomsday/Lex idea.

 

[Kirmit]

On the subject of Hulk's popularity, firstly I don't know anyone that rolls their eyes at the mention of Hulk and people do still love the character, there's a reason he is getting another movie verse attempt, a reason he's getting a live action tv show and an animated one and why his books sell so well, Marvel aren't stupid, they know there's still alot of love for the character. Also people can argue he is well known but not popular and whilst it has dwindled in recent years there's a reason Marvel chose him as one of their earliest characters to adapt to the big screen, they knew he's popular and 'Hulks' opening weekend proved this, unfortunately the movie wasn't what people wanted for a Hulk movie and it has damaged the characters popularity even to this day. It used to be Spider-man then Hulk, now I'd say 2nd spot has been taken up by Hulk, Wolverine and Iron Man, it could well change again after this movie though, the early indications are good but one thing is for certain, Hulk still is an incredibly popular character.

 

[WildcatNC]

Humanity makes me face palm all the time.

Yea, hence my addendum. I realized I vastly understated the volume of facepalming.


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[ThePowerCosmic]

I'd much rather Darkseid be the villain of a JLA film but I do like the Doomsday/Lex idea.

Darkseid should be the villain in a Man of Steel movie first. It would be like Doctor Doom being the main villain in an Avengers movie before the Fantastic Four(even though that can't happen).

But yeah... I'll go back to talking about the Avengers now.

 

[Vartha]

Ah, the West Coast Avengers. Excuse me while I have a bit of a nostalgia trip.

lol That really wasn't that bad of a series.
Great lakes, well I grew up in Chicago...that was just FUN. lol

 

[ironmaidenrules]

Darkseid should be the villain in a Man of Steel movie first. It would be like Doctor Doom being the main villain in an Avengers movie before the Fantastic Four(even though that can't happen).

But yeah... I'll go back to talking about the Avengers now.

Or like having Loki be the villain in avengers without first appearing in Thor.
Better analogy
And avengers relevant.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Wow, is the Avengers really so unexciting that we need to be talking Superman movie ideas in here?

 

[HighFivingMF]

Wow, is the Avengers really so unexciting that we need to be talking Superman movie ideas in here?

Well, heat vision is really cool.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Not being a comic reader, how in the BeeJesus would one pronounce that?

Watch Superman: TAS. They did it all the time.

 

[Xeno]

Iron Man seems to be the one whom the general audience are quite happy to admit that they find him cool to like, even if they are non comic fans. He simply seems to be someone who resonates with people - not just RDJ but the whole concept.

Hulk, on the other hand, although well known, seems to be the character that most of the general public go at, particularly as he's perceived as this mindless raging monster. He seems to epitomise the comic book movie that only appeals to a very specific audience. He simply doesn't have the same broad appeal as Iron Man.

In my view, the Hulk does not resonate with the mass audience for a very simple reason. Unlike the other characters, Hulk has been portrayed as less of a true hero than a menace who accidentally does heroic things on occasion. He is usually shown to be a rampaging beast driven by instinctual urges, rather than one who sets out to do good or protect the innocent. In fact, his uncontrolled violence continually puts innocent lives at risk. The one consistent exception to this is Betty Ross, whom he has protected. When Banner hulks out he is a danger to everyone who is unfortunate enough to get in his way. It's kind of hard to root for a character whose typical behavior involves causing mass destruction and putting innocent lives at risk, however sympathetic his plight may be.


At the very end of TIH, Hulk became an accidental hero because Banner reasoned, correctly, that his alter ego would attack Blonsky on instinct. He wasn't fighting for something, he was fighting for the sake of it -- until Betty was endangered. Hulk's typical behavior is hard to relate to or justify, even if we all get to that place at times.


The way to change perceptions and redeem Hulk is to show him saving lives and being part of the team by conscious choice rather than by happenstance. Whedon seems to have done this in The Avengers, at least insofar as saving Tony is concerned. If he behaves heroically consistently throughout the movie, it will be easier to see him as an Avenger, a true hero, instead of as a menace who occasionally helps others.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, heat vision is really cool

Isn't he, like, the best character? Because he has a million powers? That's what I read.

 

[Micromind]

How does Thor's cape compare to new Superman's Cape ?

 

[HighFivingMF]

 

[WildcatNC]

Anyone else psyched about the potential 150 min run time that was put out there? Its not official or anything but I hope to hell that is accurate.

Thats exactly the frame that I hoped for but didn't really think we would get.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

So....

Does anyone else keep watching that trailer a few times every day?

 

[captainrogers]

Isn't he, like, the best character? Because he has a million powers? That's what I read.

Yup.
I'm always confronted by people who are confounded by my absolute love of characters like Cap, Bats, Daredevil etc.
"he doesn't have any real powers! Hulk/Superman/Insert GodlikeForceOfNatureHere could wipe him out!"
Not to say I don't love Supes and like power set of characters, but the narrow/simplemindedness gives me a chuckle sometimes.

 

[WildcatNC]

So....

Does anyone else keep watching that trailer a few times every day?

Just a few?

 

[Micromind]

How does Thor's cape compare to new Superman's Cape ?

I mean, Superman's new cape is touching the ground and Thor's cape in Avengers is also that much long but in the Thor movie it wasn't.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah....

Apart from the odd Grant Morrison issue, I've never read a Superman comic that really sold the character to me in a way that I like. I mean, you give one character all those powers and abilities, there needs to be a trade off to make them fundamentally interesting but there isn't really one there.

I would have always loved them to play up the Doctor Who type thing he has going on... Last of his kind, lonely and sad but tirelessly and relentlessly helping people, at all times, to fill the hole inside him. Not in a broody emo way but more like an obsessive 'I have to do this and save EVERYONE' kind of way.

Anyway, not the thread for this I guess... Unless... I use a brilliant SEGUE... like....

THIS.

Speaking of Supermen... That Joss Whedon guy sure is Super... and a Man.... When Avengers takes off, what do we think will happen to Whedon's career? If it's a huge success, can anyone see him becoming a huge film director or perhaps he'll sort of stay with the smaller, interesting kind of projects he seems to like..

 

[Infinity9999x]

*Edit* Definitely thought I was looking at the first page of a restarted thread....and made a comment on a post 16 pages ago. Yep. I'm smart.

 

[WildcatNC]

Yeah....

Apart from the odd Grant Morrison issue, I've never read a Superman comic that really sold the character to me in a way that I like. I mean, you give one character all those powers and abilities, there needs to be a trade off to make them fundamentally interesting but there isn't really one there.

I would have always loved them to play up the Doctor Who type thing he has going on... Last of his kind, lonely and sad but tirelessly and relentlessly helping people, at all times, to fill the hole inside him. Not in a broody emo way but more like an obsessive 'I have to do this and save EVERYONE' kind of way.

Anyway, not the thread for this I guess... Unless... I use a brilliant SEGUE... like....

THIS.

Speaking of Supermen... That Joss Whedon guy sure is Super... and a Man.... When Avengers takes off, what do we think will happen to Whedon's career? If it's a huge success, can anyone see him becoming a huge film director or perhaps he'll sort of stay with the smaller, interesting kind of projects he seems to like..

I see a path like that of Raimi most likely. It will open doors for him for sure. I kind of think he will be picky about his work though, as he should.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Okay, I need somebodies opinion...

I kinda like this gif as a new Avvy

But i've gotten so used to my awesome Thor one, I'm not sure whether to change over...

What do you reckon? I DON'T LIKE CHANGE :P

 

[DyeLorean]

 

[captainrogers]

Okay, I need somebodies opinion...

I kinda like this gif as a new Avvy

But i've gotten so used to my awesome Thor one, I'm not sure whether to change over...

What do you reckon? I DON'T LIKE CHANGE :P

Do it.
Disclaimer: captainrogers has an obvious bias.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Also love this image:P