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[Kirk Langstrom]

Magneto's been in four X-Men movies and is likely to be in the sequel to First Class. That should be some sort of record.

Coughcough<ANAKINSKYWALKERcough>

 

[The Morningstar]

Anakin wasn't really a villain though. He was just a whiney, idiotic *****e bag who failed to realise Palpatine was the Sith Lord despite numerous clear indications he was.

God his entire arc is so poorly written. It's best to ignore the prequels otherwise it tarnishes one of the greatest ever cinematic villains origins.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I didn't justify Thor chaining him to a rock for enternity, I was justifying Odin chaining Loki to a rock for enternity.

Besides what's so "immoral" about punishing someone who destroyed thousands of sentient beings, those actually killed Loki in the comics before btw.

Somone said that punishment for him was a 'bit brutal'. You said it was no more brutal than what Loki had done.'

My point was just that this kind of thinking goes against what a Hero like Thor should be about and Odin too. It's the exact opposite message that Odin was trying to impress upon Thor about why unnecessary bloodshed against the Frost Giants isn't needed.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

That's the difference between Marvel and DC heroes, Marvel heroes will kill where as it takes an act of God for most DC heroes to kill

They won't kill unless they really have to though. If they have an enemy defeated, only certain heroes like Wolverine or Punisher would then happily kill them.

 

[Xeno]

I may be completely wrong... but could Fury be at the penthouse with Loki & Stark?

The people who saw the D23 footage said that Fury confronted Loki when the latter was in SHIELD's Hulk cage and that's where they said those lines.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Anakin wasn't really a villain though. He was just a whiney, idiotic *****e bag who failed to realise Palpatine was the Sith Lord despite numerous clear indications he was.

God his entire arc is so poorly written. It's best to ignore the prequels otherwise it tarnishes one of the greatest ever cinematic villains origins.

I don't see it that way. I think that he was so blinded by his desire to save Padme that he blinded himself to the truth.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Completely off topic but got to say it anyway.

Wolvieboy17 your avy is really inspiring.

CAPTAIN AMERICA looks soooo good in that scene! Really loving that outfit.

 

[catgirl18]

Completely off topic but got to say it anyway.

Wolvieboy17 your avy is really inspiring.

CAPTAIN AMERICA looks soooo good in that scene! Really loving that outfit.

yes that's right

 

[Smashlilman]

He should not kill his own brother if he loves him.

What would Eddard Stark do?

 

[BigThor]

Somone said that punishment for him was a 'bit brutal'. You said it was no more brutal than what Loki had done.'

My point was just that this kind of thinking goes against what a Hero like Thor should be about and Odin too. It's the exact opposite message that Odin was trying to impress upon Thor about why unnecessary bloodshed against the Frost Giants isn't needed.

You do realize your entire argument is against things that have actually happened several times in the comics right?

Punishing Loki wouldn't be "unnecessary" bloodshed since Loki has actually killed thousands of living beings, besides I'm not saying Loki should be killed only punished.

 

[SpideyFan866]

You do realize your entire argument is against things that have actually happened several times in the comics right?

Punishing Loki wouldn't be "unnecessary" bloodshed since Loki has actually killed thousands of living beings, besides I'm not saying Loki should be killed only punished.

I think the best punishment for Loki in the MCU is to banish him to the one place he hates more than Earth. His birthplace, Jotunheim.

 

[BigThor]

I think the best punishment for Loki in the MCU is to banish him to the one place he hates more than Earth. His birthplace, Jotunheim.

To be honest, I'd be satisfied with any punishment they give him as long as it fits the severity of his crimes and isn't a slap on the wrist.

They won't kill unless they really have to though. If they have an enemy defeated, only certain heroes like Wolverine or Punisher would then happily kill them.

Yeah I know I wasn't saying they kill at the drop of a dime, I was just saying they do kill if and when it's deemed necessary.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Coughcough<ANAKINSKYWALKERcough>

Strictly CBM villains.

 

[catgirl18]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168326-tom-hiddleston-talks-thor-2
"Hiddleston ,"...Obviously I haven’t let go of the spiritual damage at the heart of him. It still comes from that lost place, but he’s just incredibly nasty. I think that probably in 'Thor 2'... he’ll have to take responsibility for what he’s done... There are still, even within 'The Avengers,' there are moments where you see within Loki a glimmer of hope and that possibility of redemption."

the Room Without Doors I think this is his punishment,

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I may be completely wrong... but could Fury be at the penthouse with Loki & Stark?

It's a possibility, but Fury seems to be talking to Loki while he's trapped in that containment room.

 

[BigThor]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168326-tom-hiddleston-talks-thor-2
"Hiddleston ,"...Obviously I haven’t let go of the spiritual damage at the heart of him. It still comes from that lost place, but he’s just incredibly nasty. I think that probably in 'Thor 2'... he’ll have to take responsibility for what he’s done... There are still, even within 'The Avengers,' there are moments where you see within Loki a glimmer of hope and that possibility of redemption."

the Room Without Doors I think this is his punishment,

I could definately see that as being his punishment, the Isle of Silence from A:EMH would also be a cool punishment for Odin to sentence Loki to in THOR II.

 

[Quasimod0]

The only way I'd let loki live is if he turned against his own army and helped saved the earth. Otherwise I'd let hulk snap his neck and avenge the deaths of thousands of people. Ya know, like an Avenger.

 

[catgirl18]

I think the best punishment for Loki in the MCU is to banish him to the one place he hates more than Earth. His birthplace, Jotunheim.

"That is sad



"That is sad because it is his home .
loki should get to know its origin Jotunheim it is his birthplace.
I do not see it as punishment.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168326-tom-hiddleston-talks-thor-2
"Hiddleston ,"...Obviously I haven&#8217;t let go of the spiritual damage at the heart of him. It still comes from that lost place, but he&#8217;s just incredibly nasty. I think that probably in 'Thor 2'... he&#8217;ll have to take responsibility for what he&#8217;s done... There are still, even within 'The Avengers,' there are moments where you see within Loki a glimmer of hope and that possibility of redemption."

the Room Without Doors I think this is his punishment,

Hiddleston says that in Thor 2, Loki will have to take responsibility for what he's done. That makes me think that in The Avengers we'll just see him and Thor leave to Asgard, while we'll see Loki's actual punishment in Thor 2.

 

[Smashlilman]

At 1:17 Loki says, "How desperate are you, that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?". We then hear Fury reply with, "You've made me very desperate."
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It's edited to look like one scene but Loki's seen talking to Tony at 1:23 when he finishes the line with "...that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?". It didn't show Loki asking Tony how desperate he was so maybe it's still in the Fury scene or maybe Loki mentions desperation to both characters? It kind of seems like they edited it to make "How desperate are you, that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?" seem like one full line, when in the movie it might not be.

Loki: And you call on such lost creatures to defend you.

That line was directed at Tony Stark and the "lost creatures" refers to the Hulk. I believe that dialog take place after the "We have a hulk" dialog. It makes since Loki would only see the Hulk as a mindless beast.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Loki: And you call on such lost creatures to defend you.

That line was directed at Tony Stark and the "lost creatures" refers to the Hulk. I believe that dialog take place after the "We have a hulk" dialog. It makes since Loki would only see the Hulk as a mindless beast.

That makes sense. I could see it playing out like that. I originally thought Loki meant the Avengers as a whole when he said the "lost creatures" line.

 

[The Morningstar]

You know i wouldn't be surprised if Thor and Loki's final confrontation is more a war of words. With Thor trying to get through to him, to come back to the light. It wouldn't surprise me if Loki realises the error of his ways, turns on his own army (and possible benefactor) and ends up helping save the day, he's done it in the comics before, a recent example being SIEGE.

 

[catgirl18]

You know i wouldn't be surprised if Thor and Loki's final confrontation is more a war of words. With Thor trying to get through to him, to come back to the light. It wouldn't surprise me if Loki realises the error of his ways, turns on his own army (and possible benefactor) and ends up helping save the day, he's done it in the comics before, a recent example being SIEGE.

that would be a great end

 

[Smashlilman]

Somone said that punishment for him was a 'bit brutal'. You said it was no more brutal than what Loki had done.'

My point was just that this kind of thinking goes against what a Hero like Thor should be about and Odin too. It's the exact opposite message that Odin was trying to impress upon Thor about why unnecessary bloodshed against the Frost Giants isn't needed.

Nope that wasn't the message. His message was about how the reckless behavior of individual can endanger the lives of the weaker beings that he was sworn to protect. By sending him to earth he would know suffering and realize the pain and suffering that his action would bring about on others.

Protecting the innocent from having to suffer isn't the same as bring suffering upon the Guilty.

 

[Kirmit]

You know i wouldn't be surprised if Thor and Loki's final confrontation is more a war of words. With Thor trying to get through to him, to come back to the light. It wouldn't surprise me if Loki realises the error of his ways, turns on his own army (and possible benefactor) and ends up helping save the day, he's done it in the comics before, a recent example being SIEGE.

I don't think it'll be so much that Loki sees the error of his ways but more that he's gone too far. It seems his mission is to enslave Earth, perhaps have himself as it's ruler but I think the aliens or whatever they are will just want to destroy anything and everything, that's when he's going to have to step in and somewhat take the Avengers side.