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[Whiskey Tango]

It became such a running joke that Marvel even addressed it with a short-lived comic-book series with a team called, appropriately enough, "Collateral Damage," whose sole purpose was to go around and clean up after superhero battles, pay for damages, hospitalize the injured, bury the dead, etc.

Damage Control.

And for the topic at hand I personally have zero interest in seeing a bunch of civilians turned into red paste in every movie. One can let the audience come to their own conclusions through smashed buildings and wrecked cars and general destruction that results from superpowered fights without outright showing it. Anything beyond what a typical disaster film portrays would be overdoing it imo, and even that is probably a bit too much.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I didn't ever say "where not getting that", just because someone says that want to see something doesn't mean they think it's not going to be in the film. Oh and I love that shot of Hulk destroying the sides of that building after catching Iron Man, I'm not asking for dozens of large scaled explosions just a few more moments like that IM catch.

Sometimes I forget how easy it is for what you're saying to be misunderstood on the internet, I always get reminded every now and then though.

I understood. It just sounds like nitpicking an aspect of a film you haven't seen more than 3 minutes of.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And Red Skull vaporizing people is...?

Crap if you ask me. You are speaking to someone who found Red Skull to be an extremely average villain. To have an actor like Weaving, and basically give him nothing to do was criminal.

And yeah, comparing him to Vader isnt the best way to make your point.

 

[Stringer]

I really hope The Avengers action doesn't follow Transformers drawn out, non sensical action scenes.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Crap if you ask me. You are speaking to someone who found Red Skull to be an extremely average villain. To have an actor like Weaving, and basically give him nothing to do was criminal.

And yeah, comparing him to Vader isnt the best way to make your point.

You say it's crap, I say it's exactly what they wanted. Red Skull looking creepy, all the vaporizing, the propeller death and people getting shot every few minutes made Cap way more violent than any other of Marvel Studios films thus far. My son and daughter love superhero films/comics/cartoons and even they and their friends have commented on those the film being a bit violent.

 

[Chewy]

Crap if you ask me. You are speaking to someone who found Red Skull to be an extremely average villain. To have an actor like Weaving, and basically give him nothing to do was criminal.

And yeah, comparing him to Vader isnt the best way to make your point.

What are you on about?

I didn't compare anyone to Vader, you did. You mentioned that Vader choking people got across that he was a threat.

I replied that Red Skull vaporizing people kind of showed that he was a threat. Dead civilian bodies wouldn't have made that any clearer

Whether or not you found the character compelling is an entirely different conversation

 

[Poni_Boy]

I really hope The Avengers action doesn't follow Transformers drawn out, non sensical action scenes.

Agreed. And that's one thing about Whedon that I like (even though I'm not an overall fan of his), he makes you earn action scenes. They have meaning and when they happen you understand why.

 

[Poni_Boy]

What are you on about?

I didn't compare anyone to Vader, you did. You mentioned that Vader choking people got across that he was a threat.

I replied that Red Skull vaporizing people kind of showed that he was a threat. Dead civilian bodies wouldn't have made that any clearer

Whether or not you found the character compelling is an entirely different conversation

Personally I didn't realize that Vader or the Empire were any kind of a threat until they blew up Alderaan and we saw a montage of all them peoples dying. That, and when the Ewok was shot in the back.

 

[BigThor]

I understood. It just sounds like nitpicking an aspect of a film you haven't seen more than 3 minutes of.

How is it nitpicking if I'm saying "I want to see this" not "this film doesn't have this", that doesn't make sense.

Damage Control.

And for the topic at hand I personally have zero interest in seeing a bunch of civilians turned into red paste in every movie. One can let the audience come to their own conclusions through smashed buildings and wrecked cars and general destruction that results from superpowered fights without outright showing it. Anything beyond what a typical disaster film portrays would be overdoing it imo, and even that is probably a bit too much.

I agreed 100%

 

[BigThor]

Double post

 

[Chewy]

I really hope The Avengers action doesn't follow Transformers drawn out, non sensical action scenes.

Transformers 1 action =

Transformers 2/3 action =

 

[The Morningstar]

Personally I didn't realize that Vader or the Empire were any kind of a threat until they blew up Alderaan and we saw a montage of all them peoples dying. That, and when the Ewok was shot in the back.

It didn't really hit me until that point.

 

[BigThor]

Transformers 1 action =

Transformers 2/3 action =

It's not really that black and white because I found Optimus Prime's fight with the decepticons in the forest during TF2 to be the best action scene in the franchise.

As a whole the action in TF1 was easier to follow and was pretty awesome, but the climactic battle betweel Optimus and Megatron was LAME.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You say it's crap, I say it's exactly what they wanted. Red Skull looking creepy, all the vaporizing, the propeller death and people getting shot every few minutes made Cap way more violent than any other of Marvel Studios films thus far. My son and daughter love superhero films/comics/cartoons and even they and their friends have commented on those the film being a bit violent.

Red Skull shooting NORMAL people with a gun when he has taken the SSS comes across more cowardly more than anything to me. He should have been mowing them down with his bare hands and he would be more threatening.

What are you on about?

I didn't compare anyone to Vader, you did. You mentioned that Vader choking people got across that he was a threat.

I replied that Red Skull vaporizing people kind of showed that he was a threat. Dead civilian bodies wouldn't have made that any clearer

Whether or not you found the character compelling is an entirely different conversation

I didnt compare RS to DV, I said DV came across more threating because of his actions in the movie/s. As I said above, RS vaporising normal humans and trying to run away from Cap everytime made him seem more coward than anything.

 

[The Morningstar]

It was better than their climatic "fight" in Dark of the Moon.

 

[liveman789]

I liked Weaving's Red Skull, he played him very well. Though, I do wish he had more dimension to him other than this all evil Hitler-like character. Hopefully he will be in future Captain America movies so they can dwell on him more.

I'd love him to be in a future Avengers film teaming up with Loki and maybe even Justin Hammer, and have all three of them fighting for leadership the same way the Avengers probably will be. Obviously Hammer is mortal, but I could see him somehow being responsible for coming up with a plan of bringing them all together.

 

[BigThor]

I didnt compare RS to DV, I said DV came across more threating because of his actions in the movie/s. As I said above, RS vaporising normal humans and trying to run away from Cap everytime made him seem more coward than anything.

If I'm not mistake he only ran away from Cap once and it wasn't because he was scared of Cap is was because the facility was exploding.

 

[cherokeesam]

Personally I didn't realize that Vader or the Empire were any kind of a threat until they blew up Alderaan and we saw a montage of all them peoples dying. That, and when the Ewok was shot in the back.

Damage Control.

And for the topic at hand I personally have zero interest in seeing a bunch of civilians turned into red paste in every movie. One can let the audience come to their own conclusions through smashed buildings and wrecked cars and general destruction that results from superpowered fights without outright showing it. Anything beyond what a typical disaster film portrays would be overdoing it imo, and even that is probably a bit too much.

Yeah, you don't have to actually show people getting killed to show that the villain is a real threat. Your typical Bond villain creates a threat that is usually absolutely devastating to humanity and earth, but of course he never gets a chance to use his supersecret megaultraweapon, and yet the audience is fully aware that he means business.

Or in Vader's case, above, everybody in the audience knew in an instant the first time they saw him stalking into the blockade runner with his flowing black cape and skull mask that this dude was bad news.

 

[Chewy]

Red Skull shooting NORMAL people with a gun when he has taken the SSS comes across more cowardly more than anything to me. He should have been mowing them down with his bare hands and he would be more threatening.

Why would he want to dirty his hands on pathetic normals? Just shoot them, they aren't worth rolling up the sleeves. I don't think the Red Skull punching a bunch of soldiers would have made him more threatening

I didnt compare RS to DV, I said DV came across more threating because of his actions in the movie/s. As I said above, RS vaporising normal humans and trying to run away from Cap everytime made him seem more coward than anything.

Didn't he "run away from Cap" once? And wasn't that to make sure the Cosmic Cube didn't fall into Cap's hands?

 

[BigThor]

It was better than their climatic "fight" in Dark of the Moon.

Yeah it was but that was because Sentinel was more of the villain that Megatron, their battle in the first film was horribly one-sided and most of the fight was over looked in favor of the human action.

 

[Donut]

New Black Widow image in there?

And Maria Hill too.

Is there a bigger version of this ?

 

[terry78]

Personally I didn't realize that Vader or the Empire were any kind of a threat until they blew up Alderaan and we saw a montage of all them peoples dying. That, and when the Ewok was shot in the back.

That's what we call Murder, Arson and Jaywalking in TV Tropes world.

 

[BigThor]

That's what we call Murder, Arson and Jaywalking in TV Tropes world.

What do you mean by that Terry?

 

[Raiden]

You say it's crap, I say it's exactly what they wanted. Red Skull looking creepy, all the vaporizing, the propeller death and people getting shot every few minutes made Cap way more violent than any other of Marvel Studios films thus far. My son and daughter love superhero films/comics/cartoons and even they and their friends have commented on those the film being a bit violent.

I agree. While the "Inglorious Bastards" side of me love to have Cap going all bloody and stuff, realistically this is a superhero movie that tried to appeal to a PG-13 crowd. Vaporizing the soldiers from the Allies and HYDRA allowed them to actually show death without going over-the-top, and I think this is a smart arrangement since the kiddies won't be too traumatized because there's no bodies involved. As for Cap being too violent, well it is still a WWII movie that we can't have a war where nobody died, can we?

 

[The Morningstar]

Captain America had blood squibs! Name me another superhero movie that had genuine Paul Verhoeven esque blood squibs!!?!?!?

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!