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[mara]

that poster makes me want the art of Avengers book really badly now.

Yes indeed! I can't wait for that!

 

[Donut]

Finally found what many have been asking for! The Banner in UHQ and textless (6800x3000)

Spoiler

Amazing thanks

 

[Iceman]

That's just not as powerful as a love interest but yes, you're right, it can work... and HAS worked... Bruce Waynes family is killed, Matt Murdochs father is killed, Peter Parker is motivated by his love for his Aunt May and his need to protect her, Tony Stark has Rhodey...

However, friends and Family only covers the sentimental attachment, love interests can very strongly represent a future. A paradise or safe haven for a hero trapped in an endless battle or cycle of destructive behaviour, ala Rachel Dawes, Mary Jane, Pepper Potts.

It can be done badly, like in Green Lantern or something, but as I said, that depends on the writing, not the idea of the love interest as a narrative tool.

For the most part, the Marvel love interest have been done pretty well. Each one feels unique to each character and serves a different narrative purpose. Pepper represents growing up and taking responsibility for Tony, Betty represents Bruce's human side that he fears he has lost with the Hulk, as well as his guilt for hurting him, Jane represents Thor's humble nature, giving him a strong bond to Midgard as well as teaching him to appreciate non-Asgardian life forms and Peggy helps Cap feel like the great leader he becomes as well as adding to the tragedy of him being frozen in ice.

I don't see any problems with those love interests and they don't feel cliched to me at all.

Jane, Peggy, Betty I think were all handled well. Pepper seems more than a love interest as she's very relevant even without all that. MJ & Rachel Dawes I don't think were done that well. I mean the stakes for Batman with Rachel Dawes were highest and I felt almost nothing (maybe due to different actresses in 2 films). Also re MJ, it's silly when the love interest gets captured by the villain every time!

 

[mara]

We don't need 'stories' but references, acknowledgements & cameos leave room for what might be without wasting plot time & also give added validity to the stories within each of those tentpoles. One of the reasons the MU is so strong is because of all the secondary links between characters as long as this is showcased in a non-intrusive way.

I agree, this movie is just too big, I really don't think there'll be much room in it to address these issues. Cameos and mentions are prob all we're going to get. And I'm cool with that.

 

[Poni_Boy]

They coulda shot Portman's coverage after the birth. All her scenes coulda been condensed to Loki's "Throne Room" plus the abduction site. Marlon Brando & Robert Duvall's characters in Apocalypse Now were basically extended cameos. They were on-set for a tiny period of time & look at what we got. For me, it comes down to the studio not wanting to pay Portman. But her presence in the film in a hostage capacity woulda made it a hell of alot more intense, plus would alleviate the unresolved storyline between Jane & Thor.

Or maybe... just maybe... she didn't have a role in the script for the film. She's contracted to more than one MS movie. If she's not in this (which you can't claim to know until you see the film/footage is released - i.e. Paltrow) it's most likely story related.

 

[sabetoonth]

My try to make the canvas or whatever that image was made with less perspective to it

If that makes sense

 

[Poni_Boy]

Save your breath, it's like talking to a wall. That guy's sole purpose around here is to get a rise out of people.

Yeah, I figured as much. It's just fun letting contrarians know their lack of common sense is noticed

 

[bonzob2000]

Ugh, Alexei's latest suggestion is that Loki should kidnap Portman? Even if she was available, how about we don't go to the oldest cliche in the book?

Seriously, you are advocating for the hero's girl to be kidnapped? That was getting old by Die Hard. Hell, it was getting old when the bad guys in silent movies tied the girl to the train tracks. For someone who's seemingly cine-literate, you sure do have some awful taste sometimes.

Thankfully Whedon is far too smart (not to mention too much of a feminist) to give us yet another BS damsel in distress scenario.

 

[Lady Marion]

Finally found what many have been asking for! The Banner in UHQ and textless (6800x3000)

Spoiler

marvel freshman, you're the best!

 

[Scarlettess]

I agree Jane being kidnapped would be a terrible idea, BUT if Loki used her as a tool to intergrate his plan and get back at Thor (especially after the battle scene with them, where Loki DID threaten that he would go see her) somehow then that I could buy. Anywho its unlikely that would happen, but a mention of her would be a nice touch.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, the problem in the Raimi Spider-Man movies wasn't the fact that it HAD a love interest, it was the fact they they never developed it. It seemed like Peter Parker was basically in a struggle to prove his love to MJ for every single film. By the 3rd one, they should have been in a happy and stable relationship... The film had two villains and Parker battling himself, it didn't NEED a trouble relationship to add conflict.

 

[mara]

I agree Jane being kidnapped would be a terrible idea, BUT if Loki used her as a tool to intergrate his plan and get back at Thor (especially after the battle scene with them, where Loki DID threaten that he would go see her) somehow then that I could buy. Anywho its unlikely that would happen, but a mention of her would be a nice touch.

Agreed. You may have just described Thor 2 though. t:

 

[Scarlettess]

Haha! Actually come to think about it, if Loki gets punished or whatever in Thor 2 and is unable to conduct anything himself, then using someone like Jane would be perfect in terms of conflict, but that's for the Thor thread/boards.

 

[Praxis222]

You know, I think what makes a "love interest" compelling is when the character isn't JUST a love interest. That angle should be a bonus of sorts, important in some cases sure. The character has to be more than just love food to service the main character. They need to feel like they're starring in their own movie concurrently to the primary focus. Give them an interesting arc of their own (which Joss excels at) and the audience will be just as invested in this person as the hero is.

Edit: In All honesty, a main character should NEVER be there just to service another character, the writer should care enough to make them interesting too. (although, Alfred and Fox in The Nolan films seem to be that way and they still come off well lol)

 

[Donut]

This is my The Avengers Epic Video. It also includes footage from the Japanese trailer. FYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvVvy3iCdk

 

[jaqua99]

The helicarrier should really be 1st named on the credits & all the posters after this showing. I wouldn't mind "Avengers: Helicarrier & his Amazing Friends".

Literally made me LOL

 

[HUMANIMAL]

What did you see ? Was it spoilerish ?

well the helicarrier and the scene with the quinjet...but overall not so much...besides that i couldnt resist watching it... it made me addicted...i can't stop watching it over and over again may is my year of birth and this movie is a hell of a gift

 

[mara]

This is my The Avengers Epic Video. It also includes footage from the Japanese trailer. FYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvVvy3iCdk

Good job! thanks!

 

[bunk]

This is my The Avengers Epic Video. It also includes footage from the Japanese trailer. FYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvVvy3iCdk

This is awesome.

 

[jaqua99]

To me, this looks fantastic

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

I don't think Loki taking Jane hostage is too cliche, if nothing else because he said he'd go after her in his fight with Thor. We all know he's thinking about it. When it comes to Portman's involvement in this film I really just think it came down to scheduling and probably her wanting to be a mom for a little bit. Not a huge loss really, but like I said, she'll get a mention. And that whole arc will probably be used in Thor 2.

And not to burst any bubbles, but why is the hellicarrier working everyone up so much? It's not exactly the thing that floors me. I feel like I've seen tons of flying battleships throughout cinematic history. Nothing new. The Quinjet is probably cooler honestly.

 

[jaqua99]

Also, the problem in the Raimi Spider-Man movies wasn't the fact that it HAD a love interest, it was the fact they they never developed it. It seemed like Peter Parker was basically in a struggle to prove his love to MJ for every single film. By the 3rd one, they should have been in a happy and stable relationship... The film had two villains and Parker battling himself, it didn't NEED a trouble relationship to add conflict.

My problem with those movies is that the love story was way to big of a player in the films. I felt like it was 50/50 spiderman/spiderman - mary jane

id rather see it like 70-30, it was way too much. Thats why I think that the reboot will be good. Oh yeah, they got it right about him being with Gwen Stacy first -_-

 

[mara]

I don't think Loki taking Jane hostage is too cliche, if nothing else because he said he'd go after her in his fight with Thor. We all know he's thinking about it. When it comes to Portman's involvement in this film I really just think it came down to scheduling and probably her wanting to be a mom for a little bit. Not a huge loss really, but like I said, she'll get a mention. And that whole arc will probably be used in Thor 2.

And not to burst any bubbles, but why is the hellicarrier working everyone up so much? It's not exactly the thing that floors me. I feel like I've seen tons of flying battleships throughout cinematic history. Nothing new. The Quinjet is probably cooler honestly.

Maybe he snatches her right at the beginning of avengers, and when Thor leaves earth at the end with Loki, its off to search for Jane. Which really would lead to Thor 2. t:

And it doesn't even have to happen onscreen, could be a "Where's Jane?"......."She missing..." kinda thing.

 

[Lady Marion]

This is my The Avengers Epic Video. It also includes footage from the Japanese trailer. FYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvVvy3iCdk

Great job! I like the music.

 

[Donut]

Thanks for the comments everybody