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[mara]

I want that Hulk can.

Instead of using photobucket you could just use something like tinypic.com to host your pics. Much less hassle.

ah, ok thanks!

 

[Raiden]

I believe there were international marketing issues during the promotion of both Hulk movies. Specifically in Asia. Looks like they aren't partial to flicks where the monster is supposed to me a good guy. Neither made much money in that region.

Yeah, it's probably for cultural & marketing reasons for Hulk's lack of spotlights in the Japanese trailer. I also noticed that Cap did not get alot of scenes in the same trailer as well. On the other hand, I think Thor got quite a bit, same with Iron Man.

 

[marvel_freshman]

The official Japanese Avengers site has been updated with the trailer. Slightly better quality, and easier to scroll.
http://www.marvel-japan.com/movies/avengers/index.html

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Ugh, Alexei's latest suggestion is that Loki should kidnap Portman? Even if she was available, how about we don't go to the oldest cliche in the book?

Seriously, you are advocating for the hero's girl to be kidnapped? That was getting old by Die Hard. Hell, it was getting old when the bad guys in silent movies tied the girl to the train tracks. For someone who's seemingly cine-literate, you sure do have some awful taste sometimes.

Thankfully Whedon is far too smart (not to mention too much of a feminist) to give us yet another BS damsel in distress scenario.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Joss Whedon is "too intelligent" for Jane Foster to get kidnapped? Oh brother.

Some of these defenses are just absolute bollocks.

What else is too cliche? The hero killing the villain? The hero sacrificing himself to save others?

In this genre EVERYTHING is an archetype.

Its ALL been done before.

The idea is to do it again but differently and effectively.

Jane Foster kidnapped by Loki as a further torment for Thor is a great way to go. They didn't do it most probably out of budgetary concerns and not this Whedon is "too much of a genius feminist" garbage.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah, it's probably for cultural & marketing reasons for Hulk's lack of spotlights in the Japanese trailer. I also noticed that Cap did not get alot of scenes in the same trailer as well. On the other hand, I think Thor got quite a bit, same with Iron Man.

Well, aside from the previous films Robert Downey Jr is really popular in Asia (particularly during his singing + Ally McBeal days) and Thor is a well known mythological character. Neither of which play patriotic characters who fought against Japan during WWII

 

[Poni_Boy]

Jane Foster kidnapped by Loki as a further torment for Thor is a great way to go. They didn't do it most probably out of budgetary concerns and not this Whedon is "too much of a genius feminist" garbage.

They probably didn't do it because it sounds like a dumb cliche and they have a much better reason for Thor to get involved aside from saving the quintessential girl.

 

[Raiden]

Jane Foster kidnapped by Loki as a further torment for Thor is a great way to go. They didn't do it most probably out of budgetary concerns and not this Whedon is "too much of a genius feminist" garbage.

I don't see why they have to make this even more personal than it already did for Thor, because seeing his younger brother destroying a world like Earth is more than enough for him to stomach. Kidnapping Jane really does nothing other than putting extra spotlight on Thor in this ensemble movie, as if having the main villain straight from Thor's movie isn't enough. They can keep the plot about kidnapping Jane in Thor 2, but not for The Avengers.

 

[bonzob2000]

Archetype and cliche are not the same thing.

Hero's girlfriend being kidnapped is a massive cliche, no matter how it's executed. And yes, I do think it's a remnant of a less progressive era when women in film were only defined through their men, only there to be objectified and then rescued. Not that I'd expect any understanding of that from the man who loves to post Kristen Bell butt shots.

It's an incredibly stupid idea for about a billion reasons and your BS assertion of budgetary concerns is asinine, like much of what you say.

And I'm done engaging the troll for the day.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

They probably didn't do it because it sounds like a dumb cliche and they have a much better reason for Thor to get involved aside from saving the quintessential girl.

You're starting an argument you will never be able to fully support.

In the cinematic medium, everything has already been done. In fact, it was done before films even came to be (through literature).

To call the rescue of a hero's love a "cliche" in an action/adventure picture is like saying heroes shouldn't be heroic

Its an ancient archetype that will NEVER get old, hence the reason why movies like Refn's DRIVE - despite a story that we've heard a billion times before, are still able to be labeled the very best of modern cinema.

I just finished watching Agniezska Holland's IN DARKNESS. The whole movie takes place during Nazi-occupied Poland & is basically an art-house answer to Schindler's List.

Do I think its cliche for another film to be made about a man who saves Jews and endangers his life in the process? Absolutely not. In Darkness is a brilliant film and while the story is just another hero's journey deep down, its the presentation, style and heart of the piece that make it so much more than just "Another Schindler's List".

So yeah, be careful what you label "cliche" because THAT might be a cliche.

Jane being held captive during a global invasion would ADD to the drama of this film, not subtract.

 

[bonzob2000]

Now you don't understand the difference between a film's subject and a cliche plot device? My God.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Archetype and cliche are not the same thing.

Hero's girlfriend being kidnapped is a massive cliche, no matter how it's executed. And yes, I do think it's a remnant of a less progressive era when women in film were only defined through their men, only there to be objectified and then rescued. Not that I'd expect any understanding of that from the man who loves to post Kristen Bell butt shots.

This is absolutely idiotic considering Bell is perfectly okay walking around in her underwear while on camera.

It's an incredibly stupid idea for about a billion reasons and your BS assertion of budgetary concerns is asinine, like much of what you say.

And I'm done engaging the troll for the day.

"Troll Troll Troll" = Blah, Blah, Blah.

 

[Poni_Boy]

You're starting an argument you will never be able to fully support.

In the cinematic medium, everything has already been done. In fact, it was done before films even came to be (through literature).

To call the rescue of a hero's love a "cliche" in an action/adventure picture is like saying heroes shouldn't be heroic

Its an ancient archetype that will NEVER get old, hence the reason why movies like Refn's DRIVE - despite a story that we've heard a billion times before, are still able to be labeled the very best of modern cinema.

I just finished watching Agniezska Holland's IN DARKNESS. The whole movie takes place during Nazi-occupied Poland & is basically an art-house answer to Schindler's List.

Do I think its cliche for another film to be made about a man who saves Jews and endangers his life in the process? Absolutely not. In Darkness is a brilliant film and while the story is just another hero's journey deep down, its the presentation, style and heart of the piece that make it so much more than just "Another Schindler's List".

So yeah, be careful what you label "cliche" because THAT might be a cliche.

Jane being held captive during a global invasion would ADD to the drama of this film, not subtract.

You love to hear yourself talk, huh?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Archetype and cliche are not the same thing.

Circle gets the square

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

You love to hear yourself talk, huh?

And now I know you're too young and immature to have a real debate. I apologize for attempting a rational discussion with you

 

[bonzob2000]

Oh man. Alexei calling other people immature... I just... can't. Irony just folded in on itself.

 

[Poni_Boy]

And now I know you're too young and immature to have a real debate. I apologize for attempting a rational discussion with you

You can't debate someone who refuses to see any side of a discussion except their own. You'll argue this point regardless of anyone's valid opposition because it's your point and by god you have to be right.

So, no, do not engage me in any of your arguments. They are not debates.

 

[Suzanne78]

I have to say I'm very glad that Whedon and Marvel are avoiding the damsel-in-distress trope with Jane and Thor. Not saying it doesn't make sense, but there is far too much going on in the movie already.

This week has been a great week to be an Avengers fan!

 

[sabetoonth]

Oh man. Alexei calling other people immature... I just... can't. Irony just folded in on itself.

You can't debate someone who refuses to see any side of a discussion except their own. You'll argue this point regardless of anyone's valid opposition because it's your point and by god you have to be right.

So, no, do not engage me in any of your arguments. They are not debates.

Gentlemen...

Archetype and cliche are not the same thing.

Hero's girlfriend being kidnapped is a massive cliche, no matter how it's executed. And yes, I do think it's a remnant of a less progressive era when women in film were only defined through their men, only there to be objectified and then rescued. Not that I'd expect any understanding of that from the man who loves to post Kristen Bell butt shots.

It's an incredibly stupid idea for about a billion reasons and your BS assertion of budgetary concerns is asinine, like much of what you say.

And I'm done engaging the troll for the day.

One of you already had the right idea

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

You can't debate someone who refuses to see any side of a discussion except their own. You'll argue this point regardless of anyone's valid opposition because it's your point and by god you have to be right.

So, no, do not engage me in any of your arguments. They are not debates.

Translation = "I can't further support my argument so I turn to stupid gifs. and hide behind this [tremendous] cop-out:

You can't debate someone who refuses to see any side of a discussion except their own. You'll argue this point regardless of anyone's valid opposition because it's your point and by god you have to be right.

Pat yourself on the back, kid.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

I think Jane being there would add to the tension, if done well, but I'm guessing the stakes will already be high enough that it just wouldn't be necessary. Although, I can see it working a lot better if the whole team had Loki beaten and at the last second he reveals he's been holding Jane captive. Something to that effect would be pretty nice. Like Loki had a contingency plan all along.

Me, I'm perfectly fine with the love interests getting honorable mentions. I'm not entirely concerned with them at the moment.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I think Jane being there would add to the tension, if done well

Thank you.

Me, I'm perfectly fine with the love interests getting honorable mentions. I'm not entirely concerned with them at the moment.

Ditto, as long as I hear the name "Jane Foster" during the film, I'll be satisfied.

 

[Dr Lee]

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Ditto, as long as I hear the name "Jane Foster" during the film, I'll be satisfied.

I honestly think my main problem with her being in this film is simply because I had no emotional investment in her and Thor's relationship in the Thor movie. It never made sense to me then and it certainly doesn't now. I hope that can all be fixed in the Thor sequels but I don't think Avengers is the venue to repair what went wrong in Thor, you know?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I honestly think my main problem with her being in this film is simply because I had no emotional investment in her and Thor's relationship in the Thor movie. It never made sense to me then and it certainly doesn't now. I hope that can all be fixed in the Thor sequels but I don't think Avengers is the venue to repair what went wrong in Thor, you know?

I agree, though I was modestly happy with the route their love affair took.

"Starcrossed lovers" t:

Simple and effective.

Plus, if they had gone with the Loki kidnapping her route in this one, it would have cemented their relationship with his rescue. Oh well, let's see what we get in THOR 2 if not this exactly.

 

[mara]

"where's Jane?"......"She's missing." That would add tension, and Portman wouldn't even have to appear. Honorable mention and leads into the next film. *shrug* There has to be a mention of some kind....Doesn't there?