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[terry78]

The way he's written nowadays, the heroes should basically be doing everything in their power to stay on his good side considering barely anything fazes his ass.

 

[sabetoonth]

That was good, but it was the exception rather than the rule. Nowadays, very little can touch Hulk, which to me makes him a very uninteresting character. In the Hulk thread I was assured that even when he's in the Banner state Hulk cannot be killed or permanently injured because the second his body senses damage it will automatically repair anything, even damage from bullets fired into his brain.


That is utter insanity. I wouldn't expect the movie-verse to embrace that level of invulnerability because there would be nowhere to go with the character. Hulk has to be vulnerable to injury and defeat like all of the others or there's no point to the exercise.

the deleted opening has Banner shoot himself in the head but he hulks out and smashes a glaicer as soon as he pulls the trigger

 

[WildcatNC]

That was good, but it was the exception rather than the rule. Nowadays, very little can touch Hulk, which to me makes him a very uninteresting character. In the Hulk thread I was assured that even when he's in the Banner state Hulk cannot be killed or permanently injured because the second his body senses damage it will automatically repair anything, even damage from bullets fired into his brain.


That is utter insanity. I wouldn't expect the movie-verse to embrace that level of invulnerability because there would be nowhere to go with the character. Hulk has to be vulnerable to injury and defeat like all of the others or there's no point to the exercise.

I agree. They need to draw a line.

 

[Xeno]

The way he's written nowadays, the heroes should basically be doing everything in their power to stay on his good side considering barely anything fazes his ass.

Actually, the heroes in the Marvel Comics Universe should be actively seeking ways to either kill Hulk or get him permanently off the planet. The Illuminati were absolutely correct in shooting him off into space, though they ought to have aimed the ship at the heart of the Sun. (Assuming they didn't.) He's too dangerous to live, what with his "continent-shattering stomp" and other assorted nonsensical powers.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

that's pretty inhumane.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Actually, the heroes in the Marvel Comics Universe should be actively seeking ways to either kill Hulk or get him permanently off the planet. The Illuminati were absolutely correct in shooting him off into space, though they ought to have aimed the ship at the heart of the Sun. (Assuming they didn't.) He's too dangerous to live, what with his "continent-shattering stomp" and other assorted nonsensical powers.

Thor can supposedly destroy a galaxy when in possession of the odinforce....how is that any different?

 

[Xeno]

the deleted opening has Banner shoot himself in the head but he hulks out and smashes a glaicer as soon as he pulls the trigger

But that was Banner trying to kill himself. Presumably he got agitated and his adrenaline spiked, causing the transformation. Had a sniper shot Banner from a quarter-mile away he would have had no warning that would trigger the physiological change into the Hulk. Someone on the Hulk thread did assure me that even a sniper's bullet couldn't kill Banner, though, with some cartoon science explanation that in the split second it takes for a bullet to enter his brain his transformation would be triggered. Or some such. It makes no sense unless you buy into it.

 

[Xeno]

that's pretty inhumane.

No, just coldly realistic. Hulk rampaging and destroying entire cities definitely is inhumane, however. Did "World War Hulk" leave a lot of innocents dead?

Thor can supposedly destroy a galaxy when in possession of the odinforce....how is that any different?

If Thor kills billions with that power, then it isn't different at all.

 

[sabetoonth]

Actually, the heroes in the Marvel Comics Universe should be actively seeking ways to either kill Hulk or get him permanently off the planet. The Illuminati were absolutely correct in shooting him off into space, though they ought to have aimed the ship at the heart of the Sun. (Assuming they didn't.) He's too dangerous to live, what with his "continent-shattering stomp" and other assorted nonsensical powers.

They aimed him to a planet devoid of sentient life like there is on Earth were he would indeed be left alone, thats why they aimed him there.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well that's the thing...anyone with that kind of power has that potential to cause an uncountable amount of destruction, yet they also have the potential to do great thing as well. For every civilian crushed by a falling piece of rubble there's millions more that have been saved by the Hulks actions, more often than not he's mainly reactionary. It isn't a black and white issue.

 

[WildcatNC]

No, just coldly realistic. Hulk rampaging and destroying entire cities definitely is inhumane, however. Did "World War Hulk" leave a lot of innocents dead?




If Thor kills billions with that power, then it isn't different at all.

The difference I see is that Hulk is a terrestrial creature. He is of Earth and primarily puts the earth in danger.

If Thor were to try to destroy earth then it would be the same. Otherwise we really have no say or investment.

The fact is they have just WAY overpowered Hulk. It leads to all kinds of these logical fallacies and ethical conundrums.



Thats just how it works with popular characters though. Wolverine, Batman, Hulk, etc. All get more powerful because of popularity.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

No, just coldly realistic. Hulk rampaging and destroying entire cities definitely is inhumane, however. Did "World War Hulk" leave a lot of innocents dead?




If Thor kills billions with that power, then it isn't different at all.

but hulk hasnt killed billions....

 

[Xeno]

but hulk hasnt killed billions....

No, but he tore the **** out of New York, drove off its population and did whatever the hell else he pleased, all for a misguided vendetta.

 

[Cth]

No, but he tore the **** out of New York, drove off its population and did whatever the hell else he pleased, all for a misguided vendetta.

Heh, biased much?

WWH gave 24 hour notice and told people to evacuate which is more than what all the heroes did in Civil War or any other number of clashes.

And keep in mind, the "misguided vendetta" was the result of superheroes playing god behind the scenes keeping secrets from everyone. They came close to destroying the universe many times.. they're the biggest danger, not the Hulk. Even Xavier acknowledged that.

 

[Smashlilman]

In the set photos Thor and Cap look like they got the crap kicked out of them. Hopefully they'll bloody up Hulk, too, none of that absurd "never gets injured" BS from the comics.

Getting beat up is ok. Getting permanently injured no. I'd rather have the Hulk looking winded but still looking hyped and primed for more fighting.


The Hulk form the Comics takes damage in the comics but keeps on trucking though it.

 

[Xeno]

The difference I see is that Hulk is a terrestrial creature. He is of Earth and primarily puts the earth in danger.

If Thor were to try to destroy earth then it would be the same. Otherwise we really have no say or investment.

The fact is they have just WAY overpowered Hulk. It leads to all kinds of these logical fallacies and ethical conundrums.



Thats just how it works with popular characters though. Wolverine, Batman, Hulk, etc. All get more powerful because of popularity.

I totally agree.


Having characters as powerful as Hulk (and Thor, Superman, the ludicrous Sentry, etc.) is extremely problematic. When villains are that powerful, they serve as a challenge and a contrast to the heroes. When the heroes themselves have that much power, it's almost impossible for them to be challenged. That was such a problem for Superman that DC tried several times to de-power him so that it was easier to write compelling stories for him. But they always backslid and returned him to previous levels. It's odd that Marvel has fallen into the same habit, and with more characters.


Wolverine started out as an interesting little psycho who would never admit defeat. He has evolved into a less-interesting little psycho who seemingly cannot be killed. Same as for Hulk, Superman and a few others. There is something about those characters that I find very unsettling and unrelatable. Perhaps if I identified with fantasy omnipotence I would enjoy them more.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I totally agree.


Having characters as powerful as Hulk (and Thor, Superman, the ludicrous Sentry, etc.) is extremely problematic. When villains are that powerful, they serve as a challenge and a contrast to the heroes. When the heroes themselves have that much power, it's almost impossible for them to be challenged. That was such a problem for Superman that DC tried several times to de-power him so that it was easier to write compelling stories for him. But they always backslid and returned him to previous levels. It's odd that Marvel has fallen into the same habit, and with more characters.


Wolverine started out as an interesting little psycho who would never admit defeat. He has evolved into a less-interesting little psycho who seemingly cannot be killed. Same as for Hulk, Superman and a few others. There is something about those characters that I find very unsettling and unrelatable. Perhaps if I identified with fantasy omnipotence I would enjoy them more.

I know this is a Marvel board but seriously do yourself a favor and pick up All-star Superman.

 

[Xeno]

Getting beat up is ok. Getting permanently injured no. I'd rather have the Hulk looking winded but still looking hyped and primed for more fighting.


The Hulk form the Comics takes damage in the comics but keeps on trucking though it.

The battle should wear on Hulk the same way his fight with Blonsky did in TIH. Both of them were able to injure each other and both were pushed to the brink. With their superior technology, the aliens and Loki should be able to inflict some damage on Hulk, too. Of course they won't be able to ultimately defeat him, but he should never have it easy. As Whedon said, the outcome has to be in doubt and death a possibility in order for the stakes to be high enough to justify the film.

 

[irapogi]

Speaking of hulks invulnerability

I like the comic the end where hulk was the last being on earth. It was long with a lot of back and forth between banner and hulk. Banner was thousands of years old and the hulk woudnt let him die

I like the end. Spoiler bittersweet when hulk was cold and lonely end spoiler

 

[sabetoonth]

you forgot the coding I think

 

[Praxis222]

Y'know what I was just thinking would be kinda badass?

For the comic adaptation of the movie (which is surely coming), if they did something a little different than the norm. What if they brought in someone like Darwyn Cooke to do the art to give it that Jack Kirby feel. And what if he didn't try to recreate the movie costumes but actually used the designs of their 60's counterparts.

Basically make a comic book adaptation that feels more like it's a lost comic FROM the 60's by Lee and Kirby that no one knew about.

Am I alone in thinking that could be kinda sweet? (And a little bit more unique than your standard issue movie adaptation)

Just thoughts passing through my head.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm really excited to see Cap's reaction to Banner's curse. Stark will just have an orgasm & Thor will start playing with his cellphone. But Cap? The guy's reaction will be epic: "What the hell is that thing??? And how do we stop it?".

 

[BigThor]

Thor can supposedly destroy a galaxy when in possession of the odinforce....how is that any different?

Correction can destroy galaxies with the possession of the Odin Force and that's not even the most powerful version of Thor either.

I'm really excited to see Cap's reaction to Banner's curse. Stark will just have an orgasm & Thor will start playing with his cellphone. But Cap? The guy's reaction will be epic: "What the hell is that thing??? And how do we stop it?".

Thor playing with his cell phone, what?

 

[SpideyFan866]

i'm really excited to see cap's reaction to banner's curse. thor will just have an orgasm & stark will start playing with his cellphone. But cap? The guy's reaction will be epic: "what the hell is that thing??? And how do we stop it?".

fixed.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Correction can destroy galaxies with the possession of the Odin Force and that's not even the most powerful version of Thor either.



Thor playing with his cell phone, what?

See my last comment.