The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 50

[Alexei Belyakov]

Thanos makes perfect sense, just as a man in the shadows this time around rather than the main foe.

 

[Herolee10]

I was there when they filmed two of em

Not to come off as a cynical poster, since quite frankly, this board has had its fair share of so called "in side" sources that ended up being more bogus than Chris Brown's responses to the media regarding assaulting his wife, but is there any way you can prove that, let alone mention it here if that's the case? And how do you know exactly that it was the endings that you saw filmed?

 

[Poni_Boy]

It'd be great to see the Avengers encounter an enemy that could take them all at the same time. I rarely see scenarios in comic book films that are executed well where it's a single powerful villain against several heroes in the way that animated shows like JLU or EMH's does it.

This is something Kevin Feige touched upon briefly when I interviewed him last year. Basically, his stance is that you can't have the entire team in a physical confrontation with one superpowered villain without said villain killing off as many as he can. In the cartoons it works because everything is toned down, but in live-action it has to be handled cautiously.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Not to come off as a cynical poster, since quite frankly, this board has had its fair share of so called "in side" sources that ended up being more bogus than Chris Brown's responses to the media regarding assaulting his wife, but is there any way you can prove that, let alone mention it here if that's the case? And how do you know exactly that it was the endings that you saw filmed?

Well, first off, I don't pull the "inside sources" thing. I know what I know because of my job. If what I see/find out I can discuss, then I do. If I can't I try to say as much as possible without breaking obligations and promises. I don't comment here too much (because, as great as this place is, it distracts me from getting actual work done) but the people here who do know me can vouch that I don't sling bullsh** for attention.

As far as this film goes I was on the NM and NY sets for quite some time. As long as studio personalities know you're not going to run off and divulge their secrets they let you in on some decent intel.

 

[Xeno]

I was there when they filmed two of em

Now that is interesting. I've been convinced all along that the "ending" we saw filmed in Central Park wasn't really because it's unlikely that Whedon would film that in the open. Or that the interpretation many of us had of what we saw was wrong.


Do you know if they're going to choose one of the three and discard the others? With the Cosmic Cube involved, there are so many different possibilities.

Thanos makes no sense as an Avengers villain at this point in the MCU. The team is nowhere near powerful enough to fight him off.

In the comics the Avengers were never powerful enough to defeat Thanos. Every single time there was a McGuffin involved in thwarting the Mad Titan -- the Cosmic Cube, the Soul Gem, etc. They could go the same way in the movie version.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Do you know if they're going to choose one of the three and discard the others? With the Cosmic Cube involved, there are so many different possibilities.

No idea.

In the comics the Avengers were never powerful enough to defeat Thanos. Every single time there was a McGuffin involved in thwarting the Mad Titan -- the Cosmic Cube, the Soul Gem, etc. They could go the same way in the movie version.

This is one of those instances where what artists can get away with in the comics won't work well on screen. The team that's currently assembled can handle the threat they are given and nothing more. They would either have to update their roster with cosmic heroes or depower the hell out of Thanos and villains like him. I personally don't know anyone who wants to see that. Even at his comics-incarnated worst Thanos would kill half the team. Like I said earlier, people will die; and Marvel is ready to kill off their moneymaking characters.

 

[Smashlilman]

Now that is interesting. I've been convinced all along that the "ending" we saw filmed in Central Park wasn't really because it's unlikely that Whedon would film that in the open. Or that the interpretation many of us had of what we saw was wrong.


Do you know if they're going to choose one of the three and discard the others? With the Cosmic Cube involved, there are so many different possibilities.





In the comics the Avengers were never powerful enough to defeat Thanos. Every single time there was a McGuffin involved in thwarting the Mad Titan -- the Cosmic Cube, the Soul Gem, etc. They could go the same way in the movie version.

The Cosmic Cube is the McGuffin in the Avengers. the Infinity Gauntlet and the Infinity Gems would be the McGuffin in the Avengers 2 if they use Thanos. They movie could be about them preventing Thanos form completing the Gauntlet. Most the Avengers action would be agiant Thanos' forces. Then you could have Thanos him self put a wooping on the entire group when he fight them. Then Thanos complets the Gauntlet. Defeats the Avengers and Challanges Odin. Then we could have a one on one Odin vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet Climax. t:

 

[Captain Marvel]

Well, they could always go The Infinity Gauntlet route and have it so the heroes ARE killed off, but are later resurrected thanks to the power of the Infinity Gems.

But yes, the team as it stands wouldn't even be much of a speedbump for Thanos, and they'll definitely need more people. We can probably count on Ant-Man and Wasp being there. Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, and the Vision would be nice, too. And they could always call in help from people like Sif, the Warriors Three, War Machine, and any others. Maybe even the Guardians of the Galaxy. Aren't they getting their own movie? Not to mention that Loki could play the role that Mephisto played in The Infinity Gauntlet.

As for Thanos, count me amongst the people who DON'T want to see him in this movie. He's a villain you end a trilogy on, so any set-up for him shouldn't begin until Marvel Phase II, or Avengers 2. The Avengers is the end of the Phase I for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It should feel like an end instead of just a set-up for more things to come.

Not to mention that there aren't a whole lot of ways to fit Thanos into this movie. Some have suggested that he lends Loki an army, but think about it. Loki betrayed his own family for no good reason at all, and Thanos is going to trust this guy? Someone who he just met and who owes him nothing to go get a power source which'll make Loki far more powerful than him? Really? If Thanos does that then he's instantly the dumbest villain ever. Dumber than an 80's cartoon villain. Besides, that's completely out of character for Thanos. Whenever he learns of a source of infinite or near infinite power he doesn't send a lackey to go get it for him. He goes and gets it himself.

Besides, there's going to be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, right? If there's any place to introduce him, that'd be it. ESPECIALLY if they go with the modern team. Half that team is directly linked to Thanos in some way. Moondragon's family was killed by Thanos. Drax was programmed to kill Thanos. Gamora was raised by Thanos. Adam Warlock is the antithesis to Thanos. Where better to introduce him then there?

 

[Chewy]

A movie can only have so many characters in it. They need to add a cosmic level hero to the team for whichever sequel has Thanos in it but otherwise he is a perfectly cinematic villain and a great finale to the Avengers film saga

 

[Smashlilman]

A movie can only have so many characters in it. They need to add a cosmic level hero to the team for whichever sequel has Thanos in it but otherwise he is a perfectly cinematic villain and a great finale to the Avengers film saga

It all depends on the length of the film. LOTR had a ton of characters but they had 4 hours to work with. If the avengers squeals can hit at lease 3 hour then the extra characters won't negatively effect the film.

 

[BigThor]

A movie can only have so many characters in it. They need to add a cosmic level hero to the team for whichever sequel has Thanos in it but otherwise he is a perfectly cinematic villain and a great finale to the Avengers film saga

By the team needing to add a "cosmic hero", do you mean as far as how powerful they are or just to have some ties to Thanos?

Because Thor and Hulk are about as powerful as the average level cosmic hero (maybe even more powerful).

 

[Chewy]

Yes, Thor and Hulk are strong. When I say a cosmic hero I mean a cosmic hero, someone from the cosmos. Mar-Vell or Gamora or Warlock.

 

[samsnee]

This is something Kevin Feige touched upon briefly when I interviewed him last year. Basically, his stance is that you can't have the entire team in a physical confrontation with one superpowered villain without said villain killing off as many as he can. In the cartoons it works because everything is toned down, but in live-action it has to be handled cautiously.

This is why a Fantastic Four movie is hard to pull off in my opinion. In the comics, they can all take on Dr Doom at the same time, but it doesn't work as easily in live action. Look at the end of the first movie as proof.

 

[BigThor]

Yes, Thor and Hulk are strong. When I say a cosmic hero I mean a cosmic hero, someone from the cosmos. Mar-Vell or Gamora or Warlock.

Oh ok understood, would you say Ms. Marvel counts (I think so) since she gets her powers from Captain Marvel?

 

[HUMANIMAL]

i've just read that releasedate in europe is 26. of april how can this be?

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's the 25th of April in Australia t:

 

[HUMANIMAL]

 

[Whiskey Tango]

i've just read that releasedate in europe is 26. of april how can this be?

MS films often release earlier overseas than in the US. Thor came out like two weeks earlier.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

i mean usually movies from the u.s. start a bit earlier than other countries and not the other way round

 

[HUMANIMAL]

....the world has changed....

 

[itchyscratch]

It's the 25th of April in Australia t:

.... Which is actually still the 24th April in most other places.

 

[Crimson King]

Thanos makes perfect sense, just as a man in the shadows this time around rather than the main foe.

Agreed. I don't want him featured in the film at all, but I wouldn't mind him as a tag at the end, perhaps commenting on Loki's failure. It would plant the seed for his involvement in Avengers 2 (or 3).

 

[Chewy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEas1GisdRQ

Skip to 9:13

Joss says his favorite arc from his youth is the death of Warlock

(Thanos )

 

[Roose Bolton]

.... Which is actually still the 24th April in most other places.

 

[Weadazoid]

Well expect shining reviews from the Aussies and european crowd

Face it if they loved Thor and Iron Man this one is gonna Shine


Thor had like an RT rateing of 96% before AMerican critics started to tear it appart for some odd reason.