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[jaqua99]

I don't really care for Dr Strange either. I certainly don't care for the individuals currently involved with his movie

Marvel needs to quit screwing around and get on with Black Panther

Are you serious? No cap, Thor, Ironman, and Hulk? Is that what you mean? They ARE the avengers, thats what I generally think of, in my opinion, when black panther, scarlett which, jan, hank, get involved, well for me, I just don't like that, to be honest with you, outside of Hank, I don't want to see any of the other mentioned avengers in these movies at all. When I think avengers, I think of Hulk, Cap, Ironman, Thor, and sometimes Hank, and thats only to get Ultron involved. I know the avengers are much much bigger than this, but for what most likely is a three film franchise, I would be more than happy with a non changing lineup, remove any of the main four in future movies, I will be very, very, very, (can't stress how much very), disappointed.

 

[jaqua99]

To me magic only remains magic unless it can be explained scientifically.

To me, science is science, unexplained science is, science we don't understand.

Magic is magic, entertainment

Film/fantasy magic, is sorcery and such.

To me, even from a fantasy point of view,

science is not magic...

if anything, they are both astronomy...

the study of the universe and everything in it... whaaaattttt

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Every trailer has featured Evans and ScarJo in equal measures to RDJ. All of the characters appear on every poster. I don't really understand what more people want.

Well, by observing these posters and trailers as a non-fan, ask yourself -- what role does Captain America play here?

As my brother and sister stated: "Wait, that guy dressed as an American flag is the leader? He sort of looks like a side-kick."

 

[Chewy]

I think the idea of Cap being the leader in this flick is flawed. The whole point is that he's not the leader. Stark knows best, why should he listen to this fogey from the 40s? Thor's a god, what could he glean from a mortal in regards to stopping his own brother? The idea of them learning to respect him and value his leadership should/will be one of the pillars of the film. Not something that's present from minute one.

Marketing it as "Captain America and his Avengers" isn't exactly a great idea

 

[jaqua99]

I can see why you feel this way...but i do not agree. This movie and really all movies should be and are for everyone. The more fans introduced to this world now, the better for "true fans" and novice fans alike in the long run. Cause it means more of these movies will get made. Taking an elitist, these noobs dont belong at "my" midnight premier attitude is kind of lame, IMO. But to each his own.

I know what you are saying, I tihnk what I am trying to say, is, I feel like the "kids" and such going, who don't understand may just ruin the experience kinda, but its all good.

 

[BigThor]

Robert Downey Jr is the star. Robert Downey Jr will be treated as the star.

People find the most insignificant things to complain about.

No one's complaining, if I'm not mistaken I've stated that I'm used to it I just don't understand why some people think RDJ being thrust into the spotlight would make this film do better.

If he were treated like just another cast member people would still know he's in this film, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Chewy]

Are you serious? No cap, Thor, Ironman, and Hulk? Is that what you mean? They ARE the avengers, thats what I generally think of, in my opinion, when black panther, scarlett which, jan, hank, get involved, well for me, I just don't like that, to be honest with you, outside of Hank, I don't want to see any of the other mentioned avengers in these movies at all. When I think avengers, I think of Hulk, Cap, Ironman, Thor, and sometimes Hank, and thats only to get Ultron involved. I know the avengers are much much bigger than this, but for what most likely is a three film franchise, I would be more than happy with a non changing lineup, remove any of the main four in future movies, I will be very, very, very, (can't stress how much very), disappointed.

Uh, what?

 

[jaqua99]

******Whoopsie, forgot to multiquote

 

[Poni_Boy]

Funny, I could make the same injudicious statement.

Please explain to me where I contradicted myself.

You said "I understand why Disney/Marvel is marketing the film around RDJ" followed by "but at this point, it wouldn't hurt the film's revenue stream if the marketing slowly changed the guard" which obviously means you don't understand Disney/MS' marketing strategy, regardless if you claim that you do.

You're complaining about a Japanese promo poster. A poster, that was released in Japan only. For newspaper advertisements.

Do you know how Robert Downey Jr tracks in Japan compared to Chris Evans? Do you know how Iron Man tracks compared to Captain America? How about Hulk? Thor? Which Marvel Studios films have flopped and which have soared in and only in Japan?

Do you know the answers to those questions? Because I'm pretty sure the Disney/MS marketing teams does. Yet you think you know better than they do how this film should be promoted in a country that you don't even live in.

That is all.

 

[Shadowlord X]

A question to everyone:

Each of the following have a good underlying mythos and IMO could have really good movies based upon them. However they all come with risks for blockbuster success, especially being C and D list characters wrt GA knowledge. What sort of production budget would you attribute to movies based on the following characters in light of their potential for BO success?

BLACK PANTHER
IMMORTAL IRON FIST
DR. STRANGE
BLACK WIDOW

 

[jaqua99]

Uh, what?

ooooooooooooooooh, you said you dont care for the individuals involved with HIS, movie lmao, I thought you said involved with THIS, movie, gahhh I read your comment wrong haha I was gunna say.

 

[Shadowlord X]

I think the idea of Cap being the leader in this flick is flawed. The whole point is that he's not the leader. Stark knows best, why should he listen to this fogey from the 40s? Thor's a god, what could he glean from a mortal in regards to stopping his own brother? The idea of them learning to respect him and value his leadership should/will be one of the pillars of the film. Not something that's present from minute one.

Marketing it as "Captain America and his Avengers" isn't exactly a great idea

Good point!

 

[jaqua99]

A question to everyone:

Each of the following have a good underlying mythos and IMO could have really good movies based upon them. However they all come with risks for blockbuster success, especially being C and D list characters wrt GA knowledge. What sort of production budget would you attribute to movies based on the following characters in light of their potential for BO success?

BLACK PANTHER
IMMORTAL IRON FIST
DR. STRANGE
BLACK WIDOW

Iron Fist





double post

 

[Praxis222]

I just woke up and have only just read this page, but I wanted to respond.
I actually posted this a long while back but never got any responses and was curious if I was the only one who thought this would work.

I'm running late for work so I'm just gonna quote myself lol.

I'm by no means well versed in this character (truth be told my only real experience with him comes from Bendis's Avengers run post Avengers Disassembled and pre-Dark Avengers era), and I don't know too much about his history BUT I would LOVE to see this happen...

A Doctor Strange movie as directed by Darren Aronsofsky with a script (by some miracle) by David Mack.

I just think the combination of those two could bring us a film that's both beautifully cerebral and metaphorically abstract and philosophical enough to do the character justice and contain the kind of elements a movie about mysticism requires. And with Aronofsky's history it could end up looking visually arresting and present some of the most boldly unique kinds of action for this genre of film.

This would be a VERY different kind of marvel movie and, more importantly, a different kind of film in general that in the long run I think would actually be very important in establishing Marvel as a REAL movie studio (think about how cool it could be to have all kinds of movies that, at their core, are about heroes, but on the surface belong to ALL the different genres of film making)

It could be quite a large risk, considering Aronosfky's films have always played more to peoples minds rather than their wallets, but that seems to be exactly why Marvel studios is flying so high at the moment.

Anyways, any thoughts?

I think a marvel movie that REALLY examines the ideas and philosophies behind magic and mysticism and the way energies work on both a molecular and cosmic scale could be incredibly fascinating...and just wicked cool from a visual perspective.

Edit: Just wanted to add as well, I can understand not having interest in a movie, but that's a pretty far cry for not wanting it to even exist for the people that are interested. Saying they shouldn't even work on it seems kind of unnecessary.

 

[BigThor]

I understand where you're coming from one of the major goals of the MCU is to turn regular moviegoers into us, people who love these characters and the MARVEL universe, so it will not bother me at all.

I love the concept of all sorts of people who never read a comicbook before becoming huge CAP, IM, THOR, etc., fans.

This is exactly how I feel, it's very refreshing for people to know who I'm talking about whenever I mention Thor and Captain America.

 

[Chewy]

No one's complaining, if I'm not mistaken I've stated that I'm used to it I just don't understand why some people think RDJ being thrust into the spotlight would make this film do better.

If he were treated like just another cast member people would still know he's in this film, that's all I'm saying.

Some people have complained. I didn't point specifically at you.

RDJ is naturally thrust into the spotlight. He's the most popular character, he's the most popular actor. Marketing will reflect that.

There's a reason Darth Maul was the most prominently featured character on every piece of marketing for the Episode I rerelease.

 

[jaqua99]

I think the idea of Cap being the leader in this flick is flawed. The whole point is that he's not the leader. Stark knows best, why should he listen to this fogey from the 40s? Thor's a god, what could he glean from a mortal in regards to stopping his own brother? The idea of them learning to respect him and value his leadership should/will be one of the pillars of the film. Not something that's present from minute one.

Marketing it as "Captain America and his Avengers" isn't exactly a great idea

Isn't cap one of the most successful leaders of the avengers though? In the comics?

 

[Shadowlord X]

You said "I understand why Disney/Marvel is marketing the film around RDJ" followed by "but at this point, it wouldn't hurt the film's revenue stream if the marketing slowly changed the guard" which obviously means you don't understand Disney/MS' marketing strategy, regardless if you claim that you do.

You're complaining about a Japanese promo poster. A poster, that was released in Japan only. For newspaper advertisements.

Do you know how Robert Downey Jr tracks in Japan compared to Chris Evans? Do you know how Iron Man tracks compared to Captain America? How about Hulk? Thor? Which Marvel Studios films have flopped and which have soared in and only in Japan?

Do you know the answers to those questions? Because I'm pretty sure the Disney/MS marketing teams does. Yet you think you know better than they do how this film should be promoted in a country that you don't even live in.

That is all.

I tend to have a corresponding mentality.

I have no training whatsoever in marketing so I hesitate strongly to question the judgement of people who have training and work experience in that area.

 

[BigThor]

Some people have complained. I didn't point specifically at you.

RDJ is naturally thrust into the spotlight. He's the most popular character, he's the most popular actor. Marketing will reflect that.

There's a reason Darth Maul was the most prominently featured character on every piece of marketing for the Episode I rerelease.

True and I totally understand that, it's just that some people act as if that's the way it HAS to be for this film to be huge.

Isn't cap one of the most successful leaders of the avengers though? In the comics?

Yeah but all he's saying is that Cap "eventually" became the leader in the comics and he didn't just become the leader from the get go.

 

[Chewy]

Isn't cap one of the most successful leaders of the avengers though? In the comics?

Yes but he didn't just pop up as the most successful leader of the Avengers in issue 1.

 

[jaqua99]

I understand where you're coming from one of the major goals of the MCU is to turn regular moviegoers into us, people who love these characters and the MARVEL universe, so it will not bother me at all.

I love the concept of all sorts of people who never read a comicbook before becoming huge CAP, IM, THOR, etc., fans.

Yeah me too, but what I meant, is the people going to see it, who have NO interest in "becoming like us", and learning to love marvel, I mean simply the ones who found a reason to go out to a movie at midnight, regardless of the film, "this movie looks good, lets go out late, I dont really care what it consists of, but it looks good"

I mean like, the kids who have no interest in the concept, or have a desire to learn about the comics and the characters.

I was one of the, changed movie goers. I went into ironman with an open mind, loved it, read about it. Then read about hulk, then learned about Thor. And from thor it took off and I became a geek lol..

I dont mean people like that ^, I mean the people are are just gunna be there, to go out at midnight and who have no desire to learn about the characters, the people who will go for a social event. To me, I feel like those type of people (most likely high schoolers) would maybe, ruin the experience, you guys get what I mean?

I am completely fond of the idea of regular movie goers going to see, willing to learn about the characters and such, but I mean, the people who aren't even willing to do that.

Surely I must have made my point. hhaha

 

[Chewy]

ooooooooooooooooh, you said you dont care for the individuals involved with HIS, movie lmao, I thought you said involved with THIS, movie, gahhh I read your comment wrong haha I was gunna say.

Haha, gotcha. I just meant that I wanted Marvel to actually get to work on the solo Black Panther movie. Had nothing to do with this movie

 

[jaqua99]

Haha, gotcha. I just meant that I wanted Marvel to actually get to work on the solo Black Panther movie. Had nothing to do with this movie

Gotcha

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I think the idea of Cap being the leader in this flick is flawed. The whole point is that he's not the leader. Stark knows best, why should he listen to this fogey from the 40s? Thor's a god, what could he glean from a mortal in regards to stopping his own brother? The idea of them learning to respect him and value his leadership should/will be one of the pillars of the film. Not something that's present from minute one.

Marketing it as "Captain America and his Avengers" isn't exactly a great idea

I'm not stating that it should 'Cap & The Avengers' either, but how exactly does Tony Stark 'know' any better than Steve Rogers? The man is apparently obsessed with himself and he still has skeletons in the closet. Steve, however, is the complete polar opposite. He's all heart and virtuous.

Me personally, I would prefer some prelude to the fact that Cap being the leader is his destiny. I'm not demanding for the marketing to solely be focused on Captain America though.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Isn't cap one of the most successful leaders of the avengers though? In the comics?

But in the MCU this hasn't been established yet and in this film should be.