The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-section 12

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It's really not anymore than is in Cap or Thor

Main character: Cap; Thor; Cap/Thor/IM

Origin: SSS; Banishment; Formation of Team

Supporting Heroes: Bucky/Howling Commandos; Sif/Warriors Three; BW/Hawkeye/Hulk

Army: Chester Phillips/US Army; Coulson/SHIELD; Fury/SHIELD

Villain: Red Skull; Loki; Loki

Villainous Army: HYDRA; Frost Giants; Skrulls
 
It's really not anymore than is in Cap or Thor

Main character: Cap; Thor; Cap/Thor/IM

Origin: SSS; Banishment; Formation of Team

Supporting Heroes: Bucky/Howling Commandos; Sif/Warriors Three; BW/Hawkeye/Hulk

Army: Chester Phillips/US Army; Coulson/SHIELD; Fury/SHIELD

Villain: Red Skull; Loki; Loki

Villainous Army: HYDRA; Frost Giants; Skrulls

Only problem with that logic, though, is we haven't seen Cap or Thor to judge whether or not they're too crowded.
 
In my opinion, The Skrulls are really the only viable threat that would require so many super heroes to fight as a team.
Yea a indestructible superpowered villian with no conscience like Ultron would be no threat at all.
 
Only problem with that logic, though, is we haven't seen Cap or Thor to judge whether or not they're too crowded.

Then imagine it with Iron Man and TIH


Main character: Iron Man/Hulk

Origin: Kidnapping/Radiation

Supporting Heroes: Rhodey, Pepper, Coulson/Betty Ross, Sterns

Army: Rhodey, US Air Force/ General Ross, US Army

Villain: Stane/General Ross, Blonsky

Villainous Army: Ten Rings/US Army
 
I'm not super familiar with The Skrulls. I understand they're an alien race that can shape shift, right?

I'm fine with them as villains, but my only concern is that it seems like a lot for one movie.

Loki alone would be a big threat... for one single Marvel hero. But we're talking about The Avengers here. We need a threat to logically put those hereos together in an alliance, and I think an Alien Invasion would just about do it.
 
How would a skrull invasion really work that way, though. The way the skrulls operate is by gradually infiltrating positions of power. It's more of a passive style of invasion rather than an all out conrontation. Combine that with Loki, who pulls strings and stays in the shadows and I wonder how they could actually pull that off.
 
I don't like the Skrulls, it seems like they've just come out of left field... I would have preferred a modern day HYDRA lead by Loki, recruiting bad guys like Justin Hammer and The Abomination in a Masters of Evil type of situation. At least it would have seemed the films were building up to something.

But we'll see.
 
How would a skrull invasion really work that way, though. The way the skrulls operate is by gradually infiltrating positions of power. It's more of a passive style of invasion rather than an all out conrontation. Combine that with Loki, who pulls strings and stays in the shadows and I wonder how they could actually pull that off.
Indeed. If there's any reason to doubt this it'd be that. The Skrulls would be a threat Fury would need superheroes for, but why would he be gathering a team to deal with a threat that will be called to Earth mid-way through. Likewise, making a Skrull invasion a generic alien-invasion storyline instead of a "they walk among us, don't trust your neighbor" type deal seems off.

I have no doubt Loki's in this. Hiddleston has basically said as much. I also have no doubt the Skrulls are in this. There would be no reason for Feige to name-drop them the way he did otherwise. But I think the actual plot involving them both is being misinterpreted by LatinoReview.

RDJ, Hemsworth, Scruffalo, and Renner have all said the script is great. I'm not worried, I'm just interested in seeing how it all goes down.
JAK®;19809817 said:
I don't like the Skrulls, it seems like they've just come out of left field... I would have preferred a modern day HYDRA lead by Loki, recruiting bad guys like Justin Hammer and The Abomination in a Masters of Evil type of situation. At least it would have seemed the films were building up to something.

But we'll see.
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well they can just say that the Skrulls have been skulking around for years undetected. i dont think thats all that big of an issue. damn shame we cant get Super Skrull. damn you Fox!! damn you to hell!!!! lol
 
Personally I think Skrulls would work better as a second movie threat. If they use them properly, having them disguised within society, that's not the kind of threat I think you bring the Avengers together for, I can see that working better once they've been established. With Nicky Fury being like "This is a threat like nothing else we've ever faced." It's just a plot that would need alot of complexity and layers, which could be hard when trying to establish the Avengers as a team. Also, as I said, if they're used properly, they're a more passive threat. 4 super powered dudes can't exactly punch an invasion away when it's already infiltrated their way of life. And to be honest, with Skrulls in, why would you even need Loki? Loki is one dude that they could take out, since presumably Thor has done just that on his own in his film, whereas Skrulls are a sizable threat. I'd rather see Loki bring all the various villains together, Leader, Abomination, Hammer and maybe Red Skull.

That said, I can see them justifying Skrulls and Loki, since they've made Asgardian otherworldly, and frost giants are on another planet, then it would make sense that Loki is aware of the Skrulls. Perhaps it could imply at the end that all along, everything Loki has thrown at them has been a distraction from a Skrull invasion, leading into that for the sequel.
 
Indeed. If there's any reason to doubt this it'd be that. The Skrulls would be a threat Fury would need superheroes for, but why would he be gathering a team to deal with a threat that will be called to Earth mid-way through. Likewise, making a Skrull invasion a generic alien-invasion storyline instead of a "they walk among us, don't trust your neighbor" type deal seems off.

I have no doubt Loki's in this. Hiddleston has basically said as much. I also have no doubt the Skrulls are in this. There would be no reason for Feige to name-drop them the way he did otherwise. But I think the actual plot involving them both is being misinterpreted by LatinoReview.


Maybe something is revealed in CA: TFA that indicates the looming presence and threat of the Skrulls? I mean doesn't the article say that Loki brings the Skrulls invasion on earth by using the cosmic cube?

And seeing as how the cosmic cube is one of the main devices for CA's film, maybe something happens that makes someone there realize on what could come, or what will come someday to pose a greater threat on humanity.
 
what if Loki fro mThor is not popular? what if people will nto like the actor who plays Loki?

isnt this a big risk to have a villain from a movie that is not yet realesed? you dont know what kind reaction they will get.
 
Marvel should try to work out a deal with sony and fox to make Avengers : The Secret War with wolverine and spiderman
 
what if Loki fro mThor is not popular? what if people will nto like the actor who plays Loki?

isnt this a big risk to have a villain from a movie that is not yet realesed? you dont know what kind reaction they will get.
No more of a risk than bringing back other actors like Chris Hemsworth or Chris Evans. This entire venture has been built on risk, no reason to back down and leave out the Avengers' first villain.
 
No more of a risk than bringing back other actors like Chris Hemsworth or Chris Evans. This entire venture has been built on risk, no reason to back down and leave out the Avengers' first villain.
But Marvel has an advantage with Iron Man/Robert Downey Jr to generate interest on the hero side of things. The marketing could very well end up being about "Iron Man and friends" depending on how the other characters are received...
 
JAK®;19810281 said:
But Marvel has an advantage with Iron Man/Robert Downey Jr to generate interest on the hero side of things. The marketing could very well end up being about "Iron Man and friends" depending on how the other characters are received...

But like Chewy says, it's a risk. Even if the worst happens, and Cap + Thor bomb, they'll still be making Avengers anyway -- And if they Avengers cleans up at the box office (which it should), then there's a good argument that Thor & Cap could both have a new lease of life again.
 
The more I think about this, the more I think the Skrulls might be the main threat for a sequel. I think they will be hinted at and we'll see evidence of a threat growing, maybe even a fight or two where a Skrull's true form is revealed after being killed, But the buildup will be for a sequel. All of this will take place while Loki is stirring up crap, controlling the Hulk, etc.
 
How Loki works as a villain is going to hinge on what they do with him in the Thor movie. Whedon's villains are the ones who are right in their own minds and have a point of view that the audience can understand, if not necessarily agree with. They can get away with using the Skrulls, who are unsympathetic (as far as I'm aware) if they have a villain that we can be interested in. Loki needs to be that guy.
 
JAK®;19809817 said:
I don't like the Skrulls, it seems like they've just come out of left field... I would have preferred a modern day HYDRA lead by Loki, recruiting bad guys like Justin Hammer and The Abomination in a Masters of Evil type of situation. At least it would have seemed the films were building up to something.

But we'll see.

Out of left field .... exactly man. I feel the same.
 
It won't be out of left field if Loki & the potential power of the cosmic cube are explained in both Thor & Cap.

Fury is assembling a team for a "known" threat. How would he know about the Skrulls via a Cosmic Cube Loki is using?
 
Fury is assembling a team for a "known" threat. How would he know about the Skrulls via a Cosmic Cube Loki is using?

I don't know why he's assembling them, but it's a pretty smart move to put a bunch of superheroes together.... You never know what's around the corner....
 
All I'm gonna say is, folks are over exaggerating Loki's presence in the film. Consider him a behind the scene "mastermind" behind almost everything bad that'll happen, even if it spans over an Avengers trilogy.
 
It was implied in the Iron Man movies that the superheros were being assemble for a known threat, though, not because Fury was just planning ahead.
 
It was implied in the Iron Man movies that the superheros were being assemble for a known threat, though, not because Fury was just planning ahead.

The Hulk

He already exists prior to IM1, and when Stark meets Ross, he outright tells him that the Avengers are being created to bring in the Hulk.
 
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