The Avengers The Avengers Post Screening Review & Discussion Thread (SPOILER FILLED) - Part 3

[Hotwire]

Not even the Tobey cameo?

Especially, the Tobey cameo

 

[Triumph89]

My question seems to have gotten lost in the mix, but could someone please tell me what attacks thor and the hulk use against eachother in their fight?

 

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

Don't know if this has been posted. Tons of fan reviews to sift through at Rotten Tomatoes (RT).

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers/reviews/?type=user

Seems like the fans are loving them some Vengers.

 

[cherokeesam]

I'm not going to ask you what the **** is wrong with you, but I am going to address some of the things in your rant.


First off, War Machine is an Avenger in the comic books, but the movie universe is entirely separate and different. He is not now a member of the team. Tony Stark, the inventor of the armor technology, was recruited long before Rhodey took the suit he now wears. So Iron Man is the Avenger, which is what one would expect from the prequel movies.


Pepper is in the film because she and Tony are lovers and she lives with him in Stark Tower. Rhodey, on the other hand, is a military officer with a career and life that are separate. The action in the movie takes place at a rapid clip. Rhodey is presumably far enough away that he could not have gotten to New York in time to assist with the battle there. Though the combat is localized, at the end the audience is shown that the true menace is in fact global in scope. The invaders are simply coming through that one small portal/wormhole and being met with stiff resistance by the team.


Frankly, while I was watching the movie I never once thought about War Machine, despite the guy sitting behind me wearing his armor.


As for Rhodey being a hero of color and that being a bigger lure for Black audiences, that might be the case. But I am Black and I'm also about as big a comics nerd as you can find, as are my siblings. The audience I saw the movie with had many Black people in it, including the aforementioned War Machine cosplayer, a woman in a Photon costume and a Black Doctor Strange. (They came together along with a Black Widow.) It was an audience full of Black folks and nerds, and nerdy Black folks, and none of us were upset about Rhodey or the racial composition of the team that I know of. Do I want to see War Machine, Photon and other characters of color in future sequels? Of course I do. Did their absence bother me at all? Hell, no.


When you see the movie you may well sit there fretting and fuming over War Machine's absence, but most people won't. Watching The Avengers is an engrossing experience. If you can tear your attention away from the action on the screen long enough to think about anything else, you're doing it wrong.

Know what?

I actually don't give a damn at all that War Machine isn't in the movie. They made it clear early on that he wouldn't be, and I said, "oh well" and moved on.

And I strongly doubt it's going to be a make/break issue for more than maybe three or four people on this planet. But it *is* a simple continuity question in attaching the Avengers' place to the rest of the MCU (which is what the hype has been about all along, n'est-ce pas?), so it's natural that it's a question that people will occasionally ask from time to time, including me, including Howlett, including (no doubt) the guy in your very audience who dressed up like War Machine.

And the fact that Marvel *has* chosen to address some of the cross-franchise continuity issues in the movie (Jane Foster, TIH's battle at the college and in Harlem, Peggy Carter, Pepper Potts, etc.) means that it's natural to expect a mention of Rhodey to explain his absence. In the interest of equal time, you know? War Machine is a *lot* more important and canonical to comic-book Avengers than any of the "muggle" girlfriends like Peggy, Jane, and Pepper, so he at least deserves a mention, don't you think?

This is not a deal-breaker to me, by any means. I'm not "whining," although that's exactly the way all of you like to portray *anyone* who dares to question the infinite wisdom of Lord Feige or Lord Whedon. I'm just asking for a mention, same as the girlfriends got, and I don't think that's asking too much, and I sure as hell don't think it's a silly or dumb question to ask.

What I *do* get up in arms about, however, is the hypocrisy in people who blast Nolanites for jumping down the throats of anyone who dares to question the infinite wisdom of Lord Nolan --- and yet they do the same to anyone who has any question or complaint, no matter how minor or insignificant to others, about a Marvel film. The way you guys continuously ridicule and insult people like JHowlett and AB and even myself for bringing up any concern about a Marvel film is just amazing. I thought this was an open forum to discuss *all* sides of an issue, but some of you treat this like religion or politics or (god forbid) sports, and go all jihadist on anybody who dares to share a different opinion than you.

 

[Endeavor]

Okay so, who saw the after creds scene coming?
I did! The first scene in the movie basically confirmed it for me DD

 

[Whiskey Tango]

and go all jihadist on anybody who dares to share a different opinion than you.

yes, this is not over the top AT ALL. You probably should have went straight to calling everyone Nazis though. Why beat around the bush?

 

[Rongxin]

And when Hawkeyes

Spoiler

arrow explodes in Loki's face

what happens to him?

He crash landed onto Stark Tower and had some play-time with Hulk

 

[megalixir]

I'm new 'round these parts. I saw the fan screening in Philadelphia and posted my reaction in the rate/review thread. I gave it a 10 on the poll.

Okay so, who saw the after creds scene coming?
I did! The first scene in the movie basically confirmed it for me DD

Yeah the mid-credit scene wasn't exactly a surprise since the opening scene practically screamed a [BLACKOUT]Thanos[/BLACKOUT] appearance would follow. That's why I'm hoping the rumored [BLACKOUT]after-credits scene[/BLACKOUT] is true so there is a real surprise when the film opens to the GA.

 

[Endeavor]

He crash landed onto Stark Tower and had some play-time with Hulk

Hahah
play time, that was awesome.
I couldn't stop laughing.

 

[Drummerdude7]

So how does the opening scene hint at you-know-who? And no voldemort jokes

 

[Endeavor]

I'm new 'round these parts. I saw the fan screening in Philadelphia and posted my reaction in the rate/review thread. I gave it a 10 on the poll.

Welcome

Yeah the mid-credit scene wasn't exactly a surprise since the opening scene practically screamed a [BLACKOUT]Thanos[/BLACKOUT] appearance would follow. That's why I'm hoping the rumored [BLACKOUT]after-credits scene[/BLACKOUT] is true so there is a real surprise when the film opens to the GA.

Well this is by no means anything certain, but the guy in front of me in line was there to review the film because he's a writer for an online trade site. He said that[BLACKOUT] RDJ's comments about some scenes still being filmed [/BLACKOUT]was something done on purpose to make sure the folks watching the advanced screening would [BLACKOUT]have new material to see when the film is released in May[/BLACKOUT]. This might include [BLACKOUT]extra scenes sprinkled throughout the film or an extended mid credit or after credit scene.[/BLACKOUT] [BLACKOUT]He said it wouldn't be anything that would make a significant change in the overall film though, just probably a gimmick to get folks that have already seen it back in the theater.[/BLACKOUT] I guess we'll see in a couple of weeks.

 

[megalixir]

So how does the opening scene hint at you-know-who? And no voldemort jokes

This is really spoilery...

Spoiler

The scene opens in space and shows a chitauri army being assembled to attack earth at the behest of some hooded figure. I actually thought it was Thanos himself at first, but during another space scene the hooded figure mentions some other interested party that would bring vengeance on Loki if he fails to acquire the Tesseract.

 

[Endeavor]

So how does the opening scene hint at you-know-who? And no voldemort jokes

The setting, [BLACKOUT]the throne and the servant that speaks for him[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Drummerdude7]

The setting, [BLACKOUT]the throne and the servant that speaks for him[/BLACKOUT].

Spoiler

whoa...the throne?!?!? Awesome! Is the servant a Chitauri? And what does he tell Loki?

 

[megalixir]

Spoiler

whoa...the throne?!?!? Awesome! Is the servant a Chitauri? And what does he tell Loki?

Spoiler

It was honestly hard to tell since the hooded servant had some sort of face mask on as well and was hard to see his face. The servant says that if Loki fails, there would be nowhere in the universe to hide from Thanos. He doesn't refer to him by name though.

 

[Endeavor]

Spoiler

whoa...the throne?!?!? Awesome! Is the servant a Chitauri? And what does he tell Loki?

No, t[BLACKOUT]he servant is not Chitauri. He keeps telling Loki about HIM and looking at the throne in awe/fear[/BLACKOUT].
[BLACKOUT]His appearance is reminicent of

Spoiler

Thanos

because his skin has sort of a purplish tint to it and his chin is ruffled[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Drummerdude7]

Thanks guys!!

Spoiler

loki's actions are sure going to bite him in the ass. I wonder how that's going to carry over to the next set of films. Also curious as to why Thanos wants the cube....I thought the gems were his main acquisition.

 

[megalixir]

No, t[BLACKOUT]he servant is not Chitauri. He keeps telling Loki about HIM and looking at the throne in awe/fear[/BLACKOUT].
[BLACKOUT]His appearance is reminicent of

Spoiler

Thanos

because his skin has sort of a purplish tint to it and his chin is ruffled[/BLACKOUT].

Actually now that you mention it, I do remember [BLACKOUT]the servant having a purplish color of skin and having a ribbed chin. It's why I thought he was Thanos at first.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Endeavor]

Thanks guys!!

Spoiler

loki's actions are sure going to bite him in the ass. I wonder how that's going to carry over to the next set of films. Also curious as to why Thanos wants the cube....I thought the gems were his main acquisition.

Spoiler

Well it fits with Comics canon. He has been after the cube in the comics

.

 

[raymond]

may some 1 tell me.....whats stark tower like?

is it as cool as tonys lab in iron man 2...i mean the interactive holograms and stuff???

 

[Endeavor]

Yes it has that

 

[Drummerdude7]

Makes sense. Thanks again guys.

 

[megalixir]

Thanks guys!!

Spoiler

loki's actions are sure going to bite him in the ass. I wonder how that's going to carry over to the next set of films. Also curious as to why Thanos wants the cube....I thought the gems were his main acquisition.

This is big time spoiler territory...

Spoiler

Thanos definitely wants the cube in exchange for the army he gives to Loki to conquer earth. It's not made clear what he intends to do with it though. It's spelled out in no uncertain terms what will happen to Loki should he fail.

 

[haikei_fw]

Wasn't the Infinity Gauntlet shown at SDCC years ago mentioned to be part of Odin's war chest. And you didn't get a look at his hands to see if he has it.

I think it was the late 70s issues when Thanos went after the cube, long before the IG comic

 

[megalixir]

Wasn't the Infinity Gauntlet shown at SDCC years ago mentioned to be part of Odin's war chest. And you didn't get a look at his hands to see if he has it.

I think it was the late 70s issues when Thanos went after the cube, long before the IG comic

Spoiler

They never actually show his hands, only his head at the end of the film. He doesn't speak at all, either (just grins at the end), so everything we learn about him is through his servant.