The Avengers vs X-Men: Days of Future Past

[First Avenger]

I look forward to the day I can watch both back to back in the comfort of my bed.

Same here.

 

[Lord]

I left Avengers feeling disapointed, found it completely hollow and when it comes to entertainment and rewatching value it's probably my least favorite MCU film. I was a huge Joss Whedon fan due to his work on Buffy, but i really don't like his films, unless he uses popular characters, they're usually very forgetable, the wit was for me better handled in the Iron Man movies (expecialy 3) and the action has been better handled in the Phase II movies.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I left Avengers feeling disapointed, found it completely hollow and when it comes to entertainment and rewatching value it's probably my least favorite MCU film. I was a huge Joss Whedon fan due to his work on Buffy, but i really don't like his films, unless he uses popular characters, they're usually very forgetable, the wit was for me better handled in the Iron Man movies (expecialy 3) and the action has been better handled in the Phase II movies.

Just wow. SMH

 

[GoodYoung]

DOFP by a mile. The actors, the story, the characters, ther drama, the music. Everything is better.
I don't like the Avengers. It's just a type of the movie I've seen once and probably will never watch again.

james mcavoy's performance in DOFP alone was better than anyone in the avengers imo

It's not even a question.

 

[GoodYoung]

Wrong, wrong wrong wrong.

The Line delivery in DoFP took me out of the film several times.

Well, I wanted to shoot myself after every stupid joke by Tony Stark and company.
And the acting was average at best, imo.

When I got out of DoFP I was actually a little shocked at how positively critics had reacted. It's a very good movie, sure, but 92%!? I actually think in many ways, it was a step down from both X-2 and First Class. This was definitely a bigger movie than those two, but a better one? I'm not really sure.

I was shocked to see that a popcorn movie like the Avengers has a 92% at RT as well!

 

[Lord]

Just wow. SMH

I'm sorry, but all the great spectacle fans talk about is the fact of these characters sharing screentime, the action itself was nothing all that impressive and has been done better in various other films.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The trash talkers are out in full force today. That's how you know it's more about fanhood than actual movie critiquing. Luckily the opinions of the Avengers film are in the smallest of minorities so they're not really relevant.

 

[Lord]

The trash talkers are out in full force today. That's how you know it's more about fanhood than actual movie critiquing. Luckily their voices are in the smallest of minorities so it's not really relevant.

Now you're just generalising it, this is why i barely talk about Avengers, you simply can't find it unimpressive aparently

Edit: I remember watching a review that was very similar to what i actualy thought of the movie, i think it was this one:

http://blip.tv/confused-matthew/the-avengers-miniview-6614257

 

[Rock Sexton]

Now you're just generalising it, this is why i barely talk about Avengers, you simply can't find it unimpressive aparently

Again, you're among a tiny set of people who was not able to find the "spectacle" in the movie, not to mention calling it a "hollow" movie.

 

[Snow Queen]

I left Avengers feeling disapointed, found it completely hollow and when it comes to entertainment and rewatching value it's probably my least favorite MCU film. I was a huge Joss Whedon fan due to his work on Buffy, but i really don't like his films, unless he uses popular characters, they're usually very forgetable, the wit was for me better handled in the Iron Man movies (expecialy 3) and the action has been better handled in the Phase II movies.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I find Avengers mediocre, whereas Days of Future Past I loved, so this is a really easy decision for me to decide between the two.

 

[Lord]

Again, you're among a tiny set of people who was not able to find the "spectacle" in the movie, not to mention calling it a "hollow" movie.

Transformers 3 only made around 350 million less than Avengers, are you telling me that can't be called a hollow film, even though the vocal minority in the internet hates it with a passion.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Transformers 3 only made around 350 million less than Avengers, are you telling me that can't be called a hollow film, even though the vocal minority in the internet hates it with a passion.

The fact that you could even begin to suggest The Avengers is similar to Transformers 3 is beyond ludicrous. I'm not even talking strictly box office results either chief. I'm talking critics and audiences too. So again, that's why your comments are in the relatively obscure minority. You would say the same to me if I ran my mouth about DOFP like you are about The Avengers.

 

[KangConquers]

Well, I wanted to shoot myself after every stupid joke by Tony Stark and company.
And the acting was average at best, imo.



I was shocked to see that a popcorn movie like the Avengers has a 92% at RT as well!

Some of us are discerning enough to realize that lathering on mellow drama
doesn't make a film more intriguing, and that humor and wit is not a sign of weakness, but intelligence.

In my eyes there is more value in a taught, uplifting and enjoyable film, full of wit and strong character dynamics, than one full of gushing, angsty cyphers speechifying and dealing out heavy handed allegorical pontification. And speechifying to clarify the plot.

Saying The Avengers sucks because it isn't dark or gloomy is like saying that The Beatles suck because they don't write De-tuned Late 90s Nu Metal music for angry teenagers to slit their wrist to.

An uplifting, enjoyable, snappy tone doesn't automatically make something a stupid Michael Bay movie. Tell that to Indiana Jones or Star Wars.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Some of us are discerning enough to realize that lathering on mellow drama
doesn't make a film more intriguing, and that humor and wit is not a sign of weakness, but intelligence.

In my eyes there is more value in a taught, uplifting and enjoyable film, full of wit and strong character dynamics, than one full of gushing, angsty cyphers speechifying and dealing out heavy handed allegorical pontification. And speechifying to clarify the plot.

Saying The Avengers sucks because it isn't dark or gloomy is like saying that The Beatles suck because they don't write De-tuned Late 90s Nu Metal music for angry teenagers to slit their wrist to.

An uplifting, enjoyable, snappy tone doesn't automatically make something a stupid Michael Bay movie. Tell that to Indiana Jones or Star Wars.

 

[KangConquers]

Transformers 3 only made around 350 million less than Avengers, are you telling me that can't be called a hollow film, even though the vocal minority in the internet hates it with a passion.

There are passing similarities between Transformers 3 and Avengers. There are also passing similarities between The Dark Knight, one of the best blockbusters of the last 10 years, and Punisher: Warzone, one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. "Dark vigilante comes face to face with an out of control mad man who terrorizes city with his unique brand of insanity."

You're being reductive, but that's the way you usually argue isn't it?

 

[SuperT]

james mcavoy's performance in DOFP alone was better than anyone in the avengers imo

Hmm, I think I'd agree with this. Outside of Robert Downey Jr. and Tom Hiddleston, I haven't been that impressed with anyone in the MCU.

Evans is getting there with Cap, especially after the absolutely fantastic The Winter Soldier but I tend to agree - McAvoy, Fassbender, Jackman and probably Lawrence are just better actors.

 

[KangConquers]

Hmm, I think I'd agree with this. Outside of Robert Downey Jr. and Tom Hiddleston, I haven't been that impressed with anyone in the MCU.

Evans is getting there with Cap, especially after the absolutely fantastic The Winter Soldier but I tend to agree - McAvoy, Fassbender, Jackman and probably Lawrence are just better actors.

I think Mark Ruffalo is as good of an actor if not better than Hiddleston. His Banner isn't as showy as Loki or Tony, but it's deftly played. Rage subtlety boiling over a calm demeanor.

I also think Hemsworth's Thor is every bit as powerful as Hiddleston's Loki. They are opposite sides of the same coin, and they play off each other terrifically. I've never seen Hemsworth do a single thing where it wasn't exactly how Thor should've behaved/ performed/ reacted.

Lawrence is a fantastic actress...in Winter's Bone, Silver Lining's Playbook and American Hustle. In franchise work, she is very fifty/ fifty. Like several highly talented actors/ actresses, she tends to phone it in for "pay check work." (which Natalie Portman, Hugo Weaving, Mickey Rourke, and Anthony Hopkins have admittedly done in various MCU films.)

I can't think of the line "mutant and proud" without cringing. I've seen her in about seven films, and I consider her X-Men outings her bottom performances. The behind the scenes "dirt" that she tried desperately to escape her X-Men contract betrays her passion for the franchise, and though her own screen presence is serviceable, she definitely isn't displaying her peak powers.

 

[SuperT]

I think Mark Ruffalo is as good of an actor if not better than Hiddleston. His Banner isn't as showy as Loki or Tony, but it's deftly played. Rage subtlety boiling over a calm demeanor.

Gah! I completely spaced on Ruffalo. Don't know how I forgot him but yes, his Banner is fantastic.

Lawrence is a fantastic actress...in Winter's Bone, Silver Lining's Playbook and American Hustle. In franchise work, she is very fifty/ fifty. Like several highly talented actors/ actresses, she tends to phone it in for "pay check work." (which Natalie Portman, Hugo Weaving, Mickey Rourke, and Anthony Hopkins have admittedly done in various MCU films.)

I guess I like Lawrence better because I'm comparing Mystique's treatment to what they've done with Black Widow since they really are the only two female leads in superhero movies right now. I feel like in First Class they really set a good foundation for her that was greatly expanded in DOFP.

With Black Widow, the character is absolutely awesome but I still feel like we know next to nothing about her. They scratched the surface in The Avengers but then it felt like in The Winter Soldier she was just there to play the opposite to Cap and we never really dug deeper into the character. They've never made clear what her motivations are outside of being an Avenger or with SHIELD.

Maybe they'll explore more with her in AoU but I can't help but feel her character treatment was been left to the wayside in favor of the big four.

 

[Lord]

The fact that you could even begin to suggest The Avengers is similar to Transformers 3 is beyond ludicrous. I'm not even talking strictly box office results either chief. I'm talking critics and audiences too. So again, that's why your comments are in the relatively obscure minority. You would say the same to me if I ran my mouth about DOFP like you are about The Avengers.

Newsflash, the audience liked Transformers 3. You're right about the critics, then i'll use the Titanic and Avatar example, both have been loved by the audience, critics and box office, yet, they are hated among the geek and internet fandom, which once again is a much smaller part of the audience that bought to see it, are fans not deserved of the right to criticise or dislike a movie if they don't think it was good enough?

There are passing similarities between Transformers 3 and Avengers. There are also passing similarities between The Dark Knight, one of the best blockbusters of the last 10 years, and Punisher: Warzone, one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. "Dark vigilante comes face to face with an out of control mad man who terrorizes city with his unique brand of insanity."

You're being reductive, but that's the way you usually argue isn't it?

I'm not sure what your point is, i wasn't talking about the plot being similar at all, but the way the audience and box office aproached both franchises, the post i was answering to was arguing about the people that disliked this only being a small part of the audience not finding enough spectacle" or finding it hollow, which once again, is pretty much the same state Transformers 3 is mostly in, geek fandom simply is more critical about that film, and i'm not even saying TF3 is better than Avengers, far from it.

I have to ask you, what are you exactly arguing with me? The fact that i found it disapointing? Look again, that's just my opinion, i'm not screaming "It sucks it sucks", i'm stating how i felt about the movie, just because i didn't like it as much as you there's no need to get so defensive, expecially when you start giving a different point to the one i brought up.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Newsflash, the audience liked Transformers 3. You're right about the critics, then i'll use the Titanic and Avatar example, both have been loved by the audience, critics and box office, yet, they are hated among the geek and internet fandom, which once again is a much smaller part of the audience that bought to see it, are fans not deserved of the right to criticise or dislike a movie if they don't think it was good enough?

I haven't challenged their right to dislike a movie. I love when people somehow conjure up that argument LOL. What I said earlier was thankfully your feelings on the matter are obscure and quite a dissent from the MAJORITY opinion and not one just being held by the random Joe Shmoe audience member.

Regardless, your description of your experience is so over-the-top it's not even funny. I mean you pretty much attacked every single thing about the film. As I said earlier, if I tore DOFP to shreds like that the first thing you'd throw in my face was the BO, critics, and audience numbers. You know, I know it ..... don't even attempt to deflect anymore. You don't simply just "dislike" the movie.

BTW, Transformers 3 ..... oh the 36% rating by the critics and 56% by the regular audience over on Rotten Tomatoes. Do I even need to post The Avengers numbers? SMH.

 

[Lord]

No i wouldn't, i would start talking about the plot and how it works in the context of the story, at most i would point out to a Red Letter Media or Confused Mathew video to help explain what i intend to.

BTW i already said that Transformers 3 wasn't liked by critics, but regarding the audience, the people that go to the internet and sites like rotten tomatoes in order to vote aren't your average Joe.

 

[LoganGambit87]

avengers is more akin to avatar a hugely popular film full of sfx and spectacle that the entire family can enjoy

 

[jmc]

People are allowed to dislike a movie. If the plot wasn't satisfactory enough for them then that's fine. That's why it's almost 50/50 with this voting, some people prefer a solid story over spectacle.

 

[Rock Sexton]

No i wouldn't, i would start talking about the plot and how it works in the context of the story, at most i would point out to a Red Letter Media or Confused Mathew video to help explain what i intend to.

BTW i already said that Transformers 3 wasn't liked by critics, but regarding the audience, the people that go to the internet and sites like rotten tomatoes in order to vote aren't your average Joe.

It wasn't liked by "the audience" .... it score 56% rotten.

 

[Rock Sexton]

People are allowed to dislike a movie. If the plot wasn't satisfactory enough for them then that's fine. That's why it's almost 50/50 with this voting, some people prefer a solid story over spectacle.

It has nothing to do with "not" being allowed to like a movie. That argument was never brought up. It's the level some go to in order to detract from one movie in order prop up another. They're both clearly good movies, albeit I wasn't as enamored with it as many were ..... but I'm not going to sit there and exaggerate its faults in order to defend my favored franchise.

I mean c'mon .... the Avengers "hollow"? Really?