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I don't get the obsession fans have with casting older "mature" actors for Superhero roles, I blame it on Marvel casting seasoned actors for Banner, Stark and Hawkeye. Flash can't be a 23 year old, he should be in mid 30's, why ? Now, anytime a superhero casting happens, people want veteran actors for that role. This is absurd demand.


In real life soldiers, firemen, cops do get recruited at young age, or do they wait for them to hit 40's before they can join the service ?
 
I prefer Barry Allen as The Flash and never liked that they killed him off in the comics, although I thought his death was handled decently, even though the writer himself didn't agree with the decision, but did it because he was told to. It was just kind of ridiculous to me when they were just going to have Wally West become like a Barry Allen imitation later on, like when they gave him a reporter girlfriend/wife like Barry Allen had, twins like Barry Allen had, a police job and secret identity like Barry Allen had, a Reverse Flash like Barry Allen had, an upped power level like Barry Allen had, etc, they made someone who was already essentially a "mini me" version of Barry Allen to begin with MORE of a Barry Allen imitation, IMO. (It was bad enough he had a miniature origin of Barry's and wore his costume to begin with)

And while I enjoyed the JL/JLU show, The Flash on there is very very far from the Wally West of the comics. The JL/JLU Flash is Wally West in name and appearance only, he has Barry Allen's origin and story arc and story/character elements, he has Barry Allen's place in the JLA, etc....and his personality is closer to that of Impulse's. However I enjoyed the show for what it was, but DC has been known to combine their characters a lot in alternate media.

(They did a similar thing with Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner in the DCAU, even John Stewart in JL/JLU has many of Hal Jordan's story elements)

Anyway, not many people realize this about the animated shows and consider the animated shows to be the "true" versions when in fact they are not, and will say how they prefer Wally to Barry, Kyle to Hal, etc, when the reasons they prefer those characters are because they elements they perceive to belong to them that they like actually belong to Barry Allen and Hal Jordan, so in actuality they would prefer Barry Allen and Hal Jordan, but they just don't know it because they are unfamiliar with them and are unable to recognize their story elements being placed within Wally West and Kyle Rayner (and even John Stewart).

So that is why I prefer Barry Allen pretty much for one thing. He is the original as far as The Flash as we know him is concerned ("iconic" version), and he is the best, IMO.

Anyway, any dynamic you get with Wally Flash in the JL/JLU show, you can just as easily also get with Barry Allen as The Flash. The dynamic is pretty interchangeable as the JL/JLU Flash didn't mirror his comic counterpart much.

I completely disagree. Wally is a completely different character than Barry in both the comics and the DCAU. The only thing similar to Barry in the DCAU is his origin and job, he has Wally's personality and character traits (Wally was like that before Impulse). No need to tear down Wally to make Barry look good. Both characters have their merits and fans. Also, Zoom is a better character than Reverse Flash ever was.
 
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I don't get the obsession fans have with casting older "mature" actors for Superhero roles, I blame it on Marvel casting seasoned actors for Banner, Stark and Hawkeye. Flash can't be a 23 year old, he should be in mid 30's, why ? Now, anytime a superhero casting happens, people want veteran actors for that role. This is absurd demand.


In real life soldiers, firemen, cops do get recruited at young age, or do they wait for them to hit 40's before they can join the service ?
is it too hard to ask for someone around amell's age
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I don't get the obsession fans have with casting older "mature" actors for Superhero roles, I blame it on Marvel casting seasoned actors for Banner, Stark and Hawkeye. Flash can't be a 23 year old, he should be in mid 30's, why ? Now, anytime a superhero casting happens, people want veteran actors for that role. This is absurd demand.

Nobody's asking for someone in their mid-to-late 30s to be Barry. They were fine with the 29-year-old Matt Barr. Everyone just thinks Gustin looks a few years too young to be a forensic scientist.
 
Nobody's asking for someone in their mid-to-late 30s to be Barry. They were fine with the 29-year-old Matt Barr. Everyone just thinks Gustin looks a few years too young to be a forensic scientist.
They're are VERY brilliant scientists who are quite young. We've had teenagers graduating College with advanced degrees. Age isn't necessarily a requirement, intelligence is.
 
It sort of defeats the purpose of Barry being an everyman if he's a child prodigy and schtuff.
 
I don't see what's wrong with a 23 year old forensic scientist.

Also, in the comics he graduated in 3 years, not 4.
 
Grant Gustin can still pass for a guy in his mid 20's IMO. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in his 30's but still looks like he's 20. Same goes for Andrew Garfield. People looking younger than their age should not be limited to only real-life.
 
Ellen Page doesn't look like she's aged AT ALL since Juno. Famke Jenssen doesn't look like she's aged AT ALL since Goldeneye, this is nothing new among actors.
 
about Kyle Rayner You must live in a different universe he only appeared in one episode in Superman and one or two of the ep of JL/JLU and the only thing that was taken from Jordon is how he got the ring

most Kyle Rayner are his comcs fans no one a fan of him Because one episode in Superman and some scenes in JL/JLU

I liked Rayner because of Superman: TAS when I saw it. :o

And they also made Rayner LOOK like Hal in the show. The funny thing is is that single episode of Superman: TAS with GL is the best Green Lantern ANYTHING in alternate media even to this day.



I completely disagree. Wally is a completely different character than Barry in both the comics and the DCAU.

Wally was different than Barry in the beginning of his run, aside from wearing his costume and having an origin that was a copy of his of course, but since the mid-nineties he's been "Barry-lite", when they gave him the tv reporter gf, secret identity and police job, brought the Rogues back, even gave him a "Kid Flash" of his own....all the stuff that violated their "nothing that relates to Barry Allen" rule they broke...except for having Barry in the title.


The only thing similar to Barry in the DCAU is his origin and job, he has Wally's personality and character traits (Wally was like that before Impulse).

He has Barry's storyarc as well and status as The Flash (Barry was a founding member of the JLA - even suggested the word "Justice" be in the title, Wally never founded the JLA). He also lives in Barry's city (Central City, Wally lived in Keystone in the comics) and fights Barry's versions of the Rogues.

As for personality, Wally in the comics is a lot brighter and more serious than the JL/JLU Flash was portrayed, the creators of the show did their own thing with him as far as personality and characterization goes for much of it, but they without a doubt just used their original Impulse template but put him in Flash's body. The original plan was to use "young" versions of all the DC heroes and their speedster was originally set to be Impulse:

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It's pretty obvious to me they just brushed that character off and turned him into Flash for the JL/JLU show and incorporated much of their ideas for their take on who he was as a character and the dynamic he'd bring to the show to JL/JLU.

No need to tear down Wally to make Barry look good. Both characters have their merits and fans.

No one's tearing down anyone, just pointing out some facts is all.

They hadn't even decided for sure that Flash was Wally West under the mask until towards season two of the show (hence all the Barry related elements). The writer of the Superman: TAS episode in which he appeared also saw Flash as Barry Allen in the episode where Flash and Superman raced, hence all the silver age nods in the episode (which makes sense now, I suppose). They left it so it could be either or under the mask.


Also, Zoom is a better character than Reverse Flash ever was.

Disagree, I prefer the "time travelling psychotic enemy he had not yet made" from the future. The less guys who have super speed powers the same way The Flash does, seeing how his accident was supposed to be a one-off, especially in his timeline, the better. Having a bunch of guys running around with superspeed who get their powers similarly so close to The Flash in their existence sort of cheapens something they're already asking you to buy into a lot, IMO. I also think Thawne is the better character and more threatening and evil. I'm not a fan of these half bad guy/half good guy villains where they make them completely sympathetic and not really a "bad guy", which is exactly what Zolomon is, IMO.

I like bad guys who are just bad most the time, like Joker and Thawne, without the "they're almost a good guy if they would just...." angle.
 
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I don't see what's wrong with a 23 year old forensic scientist.

Also, in the comics he graduated in 3 years, not 4.

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Yep. People forget that Barry Allen is supposed to be exceptionally smart, yet not a "genius" like Reed Richards. Think more Peter Parker level. This works for me. :up:
 
I don't get the obsession fans have with casting older "mature" actors for Superhero roles, I blame it on Marvel casting seasoned actors for Banner, Stark and Hawkeye. Flash can't be a 23 year old, he should be in mid 30's, why ? Now, anytime a superhero casting happens, people want veteran actors for that role. This is absurd demand.


In real life soldiers, firemen, cops do get recruited at young age, or do they wait for them to hit 40's before they can join the service ?

Hating on Marvel? Those castings were totally circumstantial.
 
The reason why Marvel cast Ruffalo. RDJ, and Renner was because they are all great actors who fit their roles well, simple as that. Comparing them to this casting make no sense, one has nothing to do with the other.
 
I know this only really relates to Kevin Smith's post, but I love that each Flash had their own dark versions of themselves (The Rival, Professor Zoom, Zoom, Inertia). And that they all led similar lives as Flash, it makes their mythology more, well, mythological. It really cements that The Flash is a familial lineage and the grudge that the Rogues hold is against the Flash "family" not Barry Allen.
 
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Yep. People forget that Barry Allen is supposed to be exceptionally smart, yet not a "genius" like Reed Richards. Think more Peter Parker level. This works for me. :up:

Reed Richards stated that Peter Parker had the same IQ & test scores that he did at Peter's age and that Peter would be on par with him if he was older and if he quit crimefighting and devoted full-time to studying science.

Sorry for being so off-topic but the Spidey fan in me had to get that out. :p
 
Reed Richards stated that Peter Parker had the same IQ & test scores that he did at Peter's age and that Peter would be on par with him if he was older and if he quit crimefighting and devoted full-time to studying science.

Sorry for being so off-topic but the Spidey fan in me had to get that out. :p

Haha. Well Barry Allen DID prove his own tachyon particle theory (faster than light particles that move so fast they travel backwards in time), so you may be on to something. ;)

Point is, Barry Allen is an exceptionally bright guy.
 
I liked Rayner because of Superman: TAS when I saw it. :o

And they also made Rayner LOOK like Hal in the show. The funny thing is is that single episode of Superman: TAS with GL is the best Green Lantern ANYTHING in alternate media even to this day.





Wally was different than Barry in the beginning of his run, aside from wearing his costume and having an origin that was a copy of his of course, but since the mid-nineties he's been "Barry-lite", when they gave him the tv reporter gf, secret identity and police job, brought the Rogues back, even gave him a "Kid Flash" of his own....all the stuff that violated their "nothing that relates to Barry Allen" rule they broke...except for having Barry in the title.




He has Barry's storyarc as well and status as The Flash (Barry was a founding member of the JLA - even suggested the word "Justice" be in the title, Wally never founded the JLA). He also lives in Barry's city (Central City, Wally lived in Keystone in the comics) and fights Barry's versions of the Rogues.

As for personality, Wally in the comics is a lot brighter and more serious than the JL/JLU Flash was portrayed, the creators of the show did their own thing with him as far as personality and characterization goes for much of it, but they without a doubt just used their original Impulse template but put him in Flash's body. The original plan was to use "young" versions of all the DC heroes and their speedster was originally set to be Impulse:

Impulse.jpg


Justice-League_First-Mission.jpg


It's pretty obvious to me they just brushed that character off and turned him into Flash for the JL/JLU show and incorporated much of their ideas for their take on who he was as a character and the dynamic he'd bring to the show to JL/JLU.



No one's tearing down anyone, just pointing out some facts is all.

They hadn't even decided for sure that Flash was Wally West under the mask until towards season two of the show (hence all the Barry related elements). The writer of the Superman: TAS episode in which he appeared also saw Flash as Barry Allen in the episode where Flash and Superman raced, hence all the silver age nods in the episode (which makes sense now, I suppose). They left it so it could be either or under the mask.




Disagree, I prefer the "time travelling psychotic enemy he had not yet made" from the future. The less guys who have super speed powers the same way The Flash does, seeing how his accident was supposed to be a one-off, especially in his timeline, the better. Having a bunch of guys running around with superspeed who get their powers similarly so close to The Flash in their existence sort of cheapens something they're already asking you to buy into a lot, IMO. I also think Thawne is the better character and more threatening and evil. I'm not a fan of these half bad guy/half good guy villains where they make them completely sympathetic and not really a "bad guy", which is exactly what Zolomon is, IMO.

I like bad guys who are just bad most the time, like Joker and Thawne, without the "they're almost a good guy if they would just...." angle.


All good points, I didn't know about that Impulse in JLA thing :)
I like Zoom because he's a sadistic bastard who thinks he's some kind of hero. I like villains like him and Lex Luthor more than the Joker/Thawne variety. Apples and Oranges.

(Also, if we got Roy in Arrow I'm thinking the chances of seeing Wally eventually in the Flash series are pretty high. Just give him an updated origin and it could be awesome!)
 
If the Flash series does get off the ground then introducing Wally to the show at some point is not a bad idea. That way if your lead actor decides he wants out a few seasons in you an switch the lead.
 
I really love the new Reverse Flash. I hope he's in the show when they introduce Iris, but make his origin differnet. The **** with the "crashing into speed force" was ******ed. Everything else is ace.
 
Reed Richards stated that Peter Parker had the same IQ & test scores that he did at Peter's age and that Peter would be on par with him if he was older and if he quit crimefighting and devoted full-time to studying science.

Sorry for being so off-topic but the Spidey fan in me had to get that out. :p

Agreed 100%. He is genius!

As a huge spidey fan I too felt the need to say that lol.

(carry on hehe :))
 
Flash is to DC what Spider-Man is to Marvel. Spider-Man is the youngest and gains the respect of people like Cap, Wolverine, Iron Man, Reed and others. Barry is the same way gaining the respect of Bats, Supers, and other.

Barry is meant to be the youngest on the JL. He's a kid among adults.

While Grant isn't my first pick, he does fit Barry. He's around Barry's age of the accident.

One advantage to DC is they have all their rights for films and Marvel doesn't. Marvel can't have Spidey in the MCU. DC needs to make Flash like the Spider-Man to the DCCU since he fits Spidey.

The Rogues are also similar to Sinister 6. In the Ultimate series, MJ wanted to be a reporter I think which is what Iris does.

Barry has Jay to guide him like how Spidey has Uncle Ben. Also Barry doesn't have a great relationship with his parents like Spidey. I mean Barry's mom died when Barry was young and his father was sent to jail because he was blamed for it.

Flash is like Spidey. Barry is like Peter. Grant fits this.

Again Grant wasn't my first choice but I'm cool with him. I ain't gonna hate him for doing Glee. That's like hating JT for doing N'SYNC or hating Leo for being in a Disney show as a kid.
 
All good points, I didn't know about that Impulse in JLA thing :)
I like Zoom because he's a sadistic bastard who thinks he's some kind of hero. I like villains like him and Lex Luthor more than the Joker/Thawne variety. Apples and Oranges.

(Also, if we got Roy in Arrow I'm thinking the chances of seeing Wally eventually in the Flash series are pretty high. Just give him an updated origin and it could be awesome!)

Yeah, Thawne thinks he's a hero in some ways. Anyway yeah, I'm all for them bringing in all elements of The Flash mythos. Do a few seasons with Barry, bring Wally in as a supporting character....even have Jay show up at some point if they do an episode where they go to a different dimension/"reality". I'd love that. :D
 
Flash is to DC what Spider-Man is to Marvel. Spider-Man is the youngest and gains the respect of people like Cap, Wolverine, Iron Man, Reed and others. Barry is the same way gaining the respect of Bats, Supers, and other.

Barry is meant to be the youngest on the JL. He's a kid among adults.

While Grant isn't my first pick, he does fit Barry. He's around Barry's age of the accident.

One advantage to DC is they have all their rights for films and Marvel doesn't. Marvel can't have Spidey in the MCU. DC needs to make Flash like the Spider-Man to the DCCU since he fits Spidey.

The Rogues are also similar to Sinister 6. In the Ultimate series, MJ wanted to be a reporter I think which is what Iris does.

Barry has Jay to guide him like how Spidey has Uncle Ben. Also Barry doesn't have a great relationship with his parents like Spidey. I mean Barry's mom died when Barry was young and his father was sent to jail because he was blamed for it.

Flash is like Spidey. Barry is like Peter. Grant fits this.

Again Grant wasn't my first choice but I'm cool with him. I ain't gonna hate him for doing Glee. That's like hating JT for doing N'SYNC or hating Leo for being in a Disney show as a kid.

Nice comparison, except Jay never trained Barry to become The Flash or guided him into Flash, Barry did that on his own and met Jay YEARS later into his career as The Flash, and Uncle Ben died before Parker became Spider-Man so naturally he didn't guide him as Spider-Man.
 
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