Batman Begins The Batman Begins General Discussion Thread

This was the first movie I ACTIVELY followed on the internet and in magazines. Not just the marketing push as I would have with previous movies in the run up to release.

It certainly didn't generate as much hype as The Spider-Man's, X-Men's or dare I say even Superman Returns, but it put a salve on the franchise and laid the foundation for great things to come.

And might just be my favorite of the trilogy.
 
Its Batman Day and im about 20mins into Batman Begins. This film really ignited my passion for the character and i hold it dearly to my heart. Its just a fantastic film and does everything right. I was about 15 in 2005. Me and a mate saw this on a whim as it wasn't really promoted or i was oblivious to it. My jaw was on the floor with that dark brooding music and the bats flying to form the batman logo. I knew from then i was this film was a entirely different beast to what came before it.

The DVD i completely wore out especially the BTS. Just seing Bruce's journey was therapeutic, His understanding of justice ,internalized trauma and the criminal underworld (Bruce talking to Falcone is a highlight) its just top notch writing here (D.Goyer's writing really shines in this film) It also paints the corruption of Gotham City for the audience. Nolan really was the perfect director to reboot the Franchise also the soundtrack from Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard was fantastic. Im very humbled that we had the top of the top in the industry at the time, Everyone brought there A game.

Christian Bale as Bruce/Batman is what makes this movie shine for me. He trained for the role, gave us blatant duality between Bruce and Batman and was a general pleasure to see him envision a new era of Batman. Nolan said he was picked because he has the right balance of light and dark. Its so obvious watching him in certain scenes that this was the case

The only downsides were Katy Holmes as Rachel and the under use of Scarecrow but ive come to terms with him being a puppet.

P.S His Batman Voice was the best out of the trilogy and Gary Oldman was PERFECT casting my god!

For me personally this is still the best of the trilogy.
Had a feeling i posted in this thread before, covering this film with absolute praise. 20 years though....lol where does the time go.
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I will never forget that feeling of " Oh damn " when the swarm of bats made that logo. Truly blessed to have seen this film in the cinema. Thank you Christopher Nolan, David Goyer and Christian Bale.

This film sent me on a deep dive into Batman Lore and haven't let go of this fantastic character ever since.

I remember all the manips after this film was released of what the joker would look like in the narrows backdrop.. Following the TDK production was absolutely wild after this film. They made Batman fans believe again and became invested in C.N's vision.
 
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Oh man, such fond memories. 20 years is insane to think about. It's damn near half my life ago at this point.

I remember one thing about this movie that really knocked me out when I first saw it was the surprisingly uplifting, hopeful quality about it. I think with Chris Nolan at the helm and all the talk about realism, the tone of the first teaser, it was easy to go in assuming that this was going to be the darkest version yet. It had the appropriate level of darkness and badassery and clearly took the material seriously, but the tone was so perfectly balanced with character-driven humor and heart. It had just enough of that swashbuckling adventure tone that felt like a perfect throwback to classic blockbusters while also being extremely fresh for the franchise.

It still feels surprisingly rare to get blockbusters that hit this particular sweet spot.

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I will never forget that feeling of " Oh damn " when the swarm of bats made that logo. Truly blessed to have seen this film in the cinema. Thank you Christopher Nolan, David Goyer and Christian Bale.

Ah great shout with the opening logo. For whatever reason, I always had fond memories of seeing that giant Bat-symbol on screen to start the movie from being a kid watching the Schumacher films. It created this larger than life anticipation of what was to come. The way this carried on that feeling in its own unique way, but without any flashy opening credits was such a mission statement. Love how the sequels maintained that, especially as the trilogy is really about the symbol as much as anything.
 
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I am going to rewatch this film and the rest of the trilogy tonight. It’s such a amazing film series and Batman begins really brought life back into The Batman franchise and I will always be thankful this film was made.
 
It’s just kind of unfathomable to me that Begins is as old now as B89 was in 2009. Maybe it’s just bc I was born after that one, but it felt like whole lifetimes had passed by at that point.

19 year olds of today thinking the same of Begins…? Inconceivable.
 
It’s just kind of unfathomable to me that Begins is as old now as B89 was in 2009. Maybe it’s just bc I was born after that one, but it felt like whole lifetimes had passed by at that point.

19 year olds of today thinking the same of Begins…? Inconceivable.

The fact that it's now been 20 years since Begins, and it had only been 16 years between B89 and Begins really puts things in perspective with this whole time thing.
 
Interesting listening to Goyer’s interview with Josh Horowitz. Sounds like they considered Vicki Vale and Silver St. Cloud before landing on creating an original character in Rachel Dawes. (Goyer pointing out the absurdity of Silver St. Cloud’s name makes me think we can probably count her out of any Reeves appearances).

Also like that the Joker card is viewed as the correct choice of ending with or without the need to set up a sequel. Obviously you want to see what’s next (and knowing what actually did come next, you REALLY want to see it), but if Begins had just been a one-off, I think I could see that ending as a satisfying culmination to this “prequel” to the Batman lore that we were all familiar with.
 
Watching this for the first time since early 2022.

Dang, what a film so far. Only like a whole 30 minutes in, but it really is underrated how much heart is in this film. The music, the character beats and the performances - there's so much humanity in this. Nolan gets criticized for his films being soulless but this film is a prime example of how not true that is.

The tone and how unashamed it is to have seriousness is a breath of fresh air after what has been either a melodramatic DC or an over-winking MCU.

I miss sincerity and heart.
 
I did a one day marathon of Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Batman, and it’s remarkable how derivative The Batman is narratively. There’s not a single idea Reeves brings to the table that either of the first two Nolan films didn’t do it first and better.

From Falcone having the city in his pocket and being taken down by another villain when he overplays his hand, Gotham being so corrupt that it’s beyond saving and has to be purged, with gassing by Ra’s and with flooding by Riddler, Thomas Wayne being a stubborn idealist who might have cost the future of Gotham but ultimately is a good guy in Begins, and a stubborn, protective husband that might have cost the future of Gotham but ultimately is a good guy in The Batman, to Bruce starting from a perspective of personal vengeance and ultimately understanding he has to be more than that, something he learned in the first act of Begins, and he learns at the end in Reeves’ version.

The technical aspect of the film is fantastic, the cinematography, the score, the sound design are impeccable. The problem for me is that it’s a terrible detective story, Batman neither figures the perp, nor the motive, he doesn’t stop any of the murders, nor figures out the bombing plot, let alone stops it, and he never would have, had the Riddler not surrendered. Which he does because the script demands it, or because another film it liberally borrows from, 7even, did it first with John Doe. On top of that, instead of writing an understandable antagonist, which it seemed to do for the majority of the film, it turns him into a hysterical 4chan buffoon who kills thousands of innocent people, ornamented with a truly awful, over-the-top screeching performance by Dano. It’s a very similar film to “Joker”, a derivative film that has no mind of it’s own, and seems entirely stitched from other, better movies.

Batman Begins has some of faults of it’s own, but it told a rich, lived-in story that never had been told when it came out. It took a bold approach, and though it stumbled here and there, it re-energized an entire mythology and served as a springboard for one of the greatest and most acclaimed films of the century. Reeves, like J.J Abrams, seems incapable of writing anything original, anything that isn’t a remake, continuing someone else’s story or following a blueprint that other writers already put out with diminishing returns.

Begins will never get the due it deserves because of the film that followed it, but only people who lived through the 90’s will understand it’s massive impact, when Batman was culturally a joke, and a project after project failed to gain any traction until Nolan came and single-handedly made Batman cool again. It’s difficult now to imagine after the trilogy, after the Arkham trilogy, success after success, that Batman was ever unpopular, but that’s what Begins was faced with and that’s why it’s an impressive achievement on every level.
 
Just finished it (for anyone who missed my post a few hours ago) and wow - just, wow. This film is something else, I'll say. It holds up so, so well.

This film just oozes atmosphere that The Dark Knight/Rises do not come close to, sorry to say. The grime of Gotham, the brown filter that evokes dirt, The Narrows, the creepiness of Arkham, the Bat-Cave, etc. It just had that something.

But Bruce himself is such a great, compelling character in this film. He is driven and focused - you can see it in his eyes. He carries himself as Batman with that stoic darkness that - I hate to repeat myself - was a bit lost in the next two films. Like, in this film we had the cape cloaking the shoulders, the use of actual bats as a distraction, stealth and theatrical Batman, coupled with a lot of Bat-Glare. It's so perfect here and I missed it in the rest of the Trilogy.

Also, dang Cillian Murphy kills it here. His voice as Scarecrow is menacing and he has the Creep-Factor dialed up to 11. I wished we'd seen more of him in the sequel.

Ra's may not be the correct ethnicity - but Liam Neeson captures the spirit and makes a Ra's unique to himself.

For as much has been said about Nolan's Batman being 'grounded' - it is still a heightened reality that keeps the integrity and even the looks of each character intact, along with their functionality. That much I appreciate more now than I did in 2005.

The music in this is just so moving and heartfelt in spots.

Not to make this post one of lamentation - but I really missed Bruce's connection to his parents that we had in this film. They never come up again, sadly. And I think it was a huge strength of this film that they were so important.

I still think burning down Wayne Manor was a mistake. This is my favourite version of it on film - and I really think we missed out not having an improved Bat-Cave below this Wayne Manor in the sequel. Especially seeing how underwhelming the design was in Rises. I know this version of Batman was only active for a handful of years total - but still.

Anyway - this film absolutely stands as my 2nd favourite Batman film. Honestly, it may be tied for 1st.

This film is magic.
 

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