Batman Begins 'The Batman' Screenplay by Tom Mankiewicz

If it was for a specific person...it should have been in a PM. Since it is of general interest, I changed the title.

 

Yeah, I liked a lot obout this script, from what I can remember.

I think there's one bit where he's learning ballet as a young teen as a way to hone his skills, whi I always liked.

 

^ nice scene.

I liked Mankiewicz's script for the most part. Some of the sublte corniness I didn't like, and the fact that he completely set aside the urban legend angle (although granted, at that point, it was not in continuity).

 

If you consider that the script was written in the early eighties, before Frank Miller, it isn´t so bad. But the second half, especially, has a lot of campy stuff. And it was that script that kinda started the whole Joker as the murderer of Bruce´s parents.

 

i enjoyed this script very much, but i felt they should have turned it into 2 movies. The 2nd half seems crammed(basically, everything from the introduction of the penguin should have been its own movie). They could have wrote an ending for the first half. The Penguin is only introduced to show what the Batmobile can do, which is so pre-crisis haha, but i enjoyed it.

I like how in the begining, they show Bruce and the girl after doing the in & out...which i think shows off that womanizer, playboy. I really loved the subway scene as well.

It was an interesting take on the Joker, but if you think about it, at the end, Batman is beating up like a 60 year old crazy guy. I would have prefered the joker be a creation in BATMAN's life time like in the pre-crisis comics.

but a great script. I actually wanna edit it alittle bit and make it abit more post crisis if thats possible at all

 

I've read it.

It does have some cool scenes and a few (and I use the term loosley) ideas ended up in Batman Begins

but on the whole it sucked. The story with Silver and all was fine, but Joker while a killer was still a comedian no different than Lex Luthor in Superman The Movie other than the fact that he took everything less seriously and his deaths (which were quite a few mind you) were as watered down as the ones in STM.

Penguin was window dressing.

Robin was annoying and basically the Robin from the Batman TV show of the '60s put on the big screen and only introduced into a third rushed act which outside of the death of Silver played its climax like one in that show with giant instruments and playing cards and all...ugh!

Lastly, while Batman started off a dark avenger of the night, he became a joke as the movie went out going to city parties and shaking hands with the city elders with a big smile (sound familiar?) and was far too slapstick humorous when he was younger making robots and and holograms with AI when he was 7 or 8 and some ****.



Terrible in the end, if not just plain mediocre, be happy it was ditched for Sam Hamm and be even happier that we are getting an even better origin movie than either this June too.

 

P.S. It was supposed to be the "companion ccopy" to Superman The MOvie. You know like the little sort of spin-off in many ways and I do think that Tom underplayed Bats to Supes in this for personal favorite reasons, or just which he enjoyed writing better, because this was easily the more inferior script.

P.P.S. Joe Chill did kills Bruce's parents in The Batman, but because he was hired to by Joker, who then dispatched Chill, so Joker indirectly killed them and then on top of that the reason why? Joker turned out to be dirty political muscle for Rupert Thorne who was running for City Council against Thomas Wayne. So in essence it wasn't a random act of violence, it was a political manuevere done by Thorne and Joker and his gang carrying it out because Joker is apparently Rupert Thorne's ***** in the movie (post change which we never see because he exists before Bruce is even a teenager).



As I said it has a few great moments but it is ultimately medoicre.

 

I remember reading that Starlog issue...Man, does that take me back!
P.S.- "Nicely said" to all the posts here!

 

It wasn't that bad. We're talking about 1983. The script nailed the feel of the comics at that point in time, and the years before. The Joker was a comedian in THE BATMAN? Gee, if only he was always serious in the comics. The Penguin was window dressing? No, The Penguin got about the same treatment Scarecrow's getting in BATMAN BEGINS, and he was everything he'd always been in the comics in that script. Robin felt a little tacked on, but it worked fairly well at the same time. The script had a fairly serious tone, NAILED the origin, NAILED Batman and Gordon's first few interactions, NAILED his first night out, and had a great take on Bruce Wayne's parents and his relationship with them, and was also clearly partial inspiration for The Tumbler's rooftop drive. The villainsd worked together well, and the love interest worked pretty well, too, with Sliver St. Cloud. I think they even managed to use The Laughing Fish storyline. It's pretty darn good, and it nailed the mythos to that point, considering it doesn't have YEAR ONE and THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS to draw from.

 

I agree 100%. Heck, I think with the proper re-writes it could have even made a good flick today.

 

Yeah, I also agree that it is not bad, considering it was pre-DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and YEAR ONE, most people still had the 1966 TV image of Batman in their heads, and it was only a few years after Mankiewicz's work on the SUPERMAN movie (which also started out as a serious screenplay that reverted to campiness once the villains were introduced).

And I liked the line an impressed Alfred delivers after the young Bruce Wayne performs an amazing acrobatic routine while blindfolded:

"Why sir, you were as blind as a bat."

 

That's funny!! I can see Michael Caine saying that in Begins...



Hahahaha!!!

 

Like I said, for a pre-Miller Batman script it wasn´t so bad, but it´s very campy and silly at times, moreso in many ways than Mankiewicz´s Superman script.

 

For anybody who wants to read it, I know I will when I have some time, it's here: http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/batmanscript1.txt

 

I was actually rather pleased with the first act of the script. It was the complete tonal and structural change of the last act that killed this script for me. Why spend 40 minutes of a film building up a serious, dark interpretation of the character only then to destroy that characterization with camp and sillyness in the last act? Inconsistent tone, and rather lame, plodding structure as if the writer didn't know how to finish this script.

 

Cheers Wolverine

 

Sam Hamm was vehemently against the idea of Joker being the killer of Batman's parents. That was a rewrite asked by Burton and Jon Peters, during the writers' strike when Hamm was no longer working on the project.

 

I haven't read the whole script yet, but I really enjoyed Bruce's first outings as Batman. They were done quite well.

 

That´s one of the biggest issues I have with Burton´s take. I never read Hamm´s first draft, which is said by some to be great, but this shows how important the colaboration between writer and director is.

 

True. And that's pretty much exactly how I feel about Superman The Movie. The complete tonal shift as soon as it gets to Metropolis. Okay, everything with Superman is great, but EVERYTHING regarding Lex... ugh, I hate it. Were the same serious tone maintained throughout I'd feel the movie was the almost perfect Superman movie everyone else seems to feel it is. As it is, it's... well, not as good as it could have been.

I really need to read Mank's Batman script again now. I really do remember loving the early stuff.

I could be off base here, but Guard, I read a script for the first episode of a Year One show you did. I thought it was great, was this Batman script an influence in any way?

 

I haven't read that script by Mankiewicz, but from what I've heard (there was a pretty extensive script review of it at IGN), I didn't like it.

B89, for all its flaws, had a superior script.