The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[AntonGobbs89]

Me when those Gotham cops were about to take off his mask.

I’m assuming Gordon stopped them from de-masking him on the way to the police station.

 

[J.Drangal]

During the GCPD escape, they think Batman has something to do with Riddler or the murders, it becomes clear he doesn't once they have the evidence on Carmine. He does not appear with the GCPD until after Carmine is caught again.

Weren't Batman and Gordon still seeing each other at the signal right after the GCPD escape and before catching Falcone ? I can't remember for sure but if it's the case, now thinking about it, it would be a bit illogical not having cops trying to go there.

So, does Riddler know Bruce is Batman or was that a dialogue misdirection?

Misdirection but it felt a bit clumsy to me... It was like the movie was too shy to go to far. I felt this several time actually...

 

[fake]

Weren't Batman and Gordon still seeing each other at the signal right after the GCPD escape and before catching Falcone ? I can't remember for sure but if it's the case, now thinking about it, it would be a bit illogical not having cops trying to go there.

Yes, Gordon told Batman to punch him, take the key and run away. So they were working together the entire time.

 

[J.Drangal]

Yes, Gordon told Batman to punch him, take the key and run away. So they were working together the entire time.

Yeah I understood that.
What I wanted to say is that if the cops minus Gordon were suspecting Batman, from that moment they should at least have had agents at the signal location to eventually catch him. But Batman and Gordon didn't change their habits and still did their thing there without interferences.
But I'm not sure now, I can't remember it well, so maybe I'm wrong...

 

[dhandler01]

For those who already watched it, can i ask about some scenes? I want more insight/explanation.

1. The GCPD escape. If that sequence is important why Batman still invited in investigation in a later scene? They shoot at him but then it looks fine? What do you think of it?

2. When Batman get hurt but then he appeared with Batmobile? Do you think he used the same injection to make him better in that scene? The editing, maybe? It feels slightly off to me.

Batman is invited because Gordon trusts him and because The Riddler keeps wanting to contact him.

 

[dhandler01]

I had some questions after seeing it last night.

1. What exactly was the Riddler’s goal with that last sequence at the dome? Idk why he had a grudge against the mayoral candidate.

2. Was the final video released before or after Batman put in the password? If it was released after I was trying to figure out how the Riddler copycats got there so quickly.

Before. They mention it when they found it.

His plan was to flood all of Gotham and destroy the power structure. Whoever was the mayor didn't matter because Gotham was controlled by the corrupt.

 

[dhandler01]

I guess I completely misread this because it was never a question to me that he knew. Not only did he say his name in the cell, but in his apartment he had a picture of Bruce next to a newspaper that said “Who is The Batman?”

Batman thinks it too, until the Riddler starts speaking of Batman and Bruce as two people. (he calls Bruce "He" when talking about how he wasn't truly an orphan)

 

[dhandler01]

I think the stakes of the chases in the TDKT had a little more dimension and weight to them. IE- Rachel is poisoned and time is running out, or Harvey is in peril in the transport with Batman trying to protect him AND apprehend The Joker, Batman is pursuing Bane/his men while being chased by the entire GCPD, etc.

However, this one was a lot of fun and very cool. Driving against highway traffic (shades of Matrix Reloaded). That money shot of the Batmobile emerging through the flames, I mean how can you not smile.

And see that always felt forced in The Dark Knight. First of all the cops know going down below puts them in danger but instead of turning anywhere else they go down below. Then Joker just happens to have every weapon and vehicle needed to get Harvey and then Batman's car gets destroyed but turns into a bike which is just exactly what he needs to catch up because of the traffic. The first time it was awesome...after that I usually rolled my eyes at how cartoonish it was.

 

[dhandler01]

Weren't Batman and Gordon still seeing each other at the signal right after the GCPD escape and before catching Falcone ? I can't remember for sure but if it's the case, now thinking about it, it would be a bit illogical not having cops trying to go there.



Misdirection but it felt a bit clumsy to me... It was like the movie was too shy to go to far. I felt this several time actually...

Riddler knowing would be dumb...and it would look even worse if he didn't try and expose Batman with a riddle at some point.

 

[AntonGobbs89]

Batman thinks it too, until the Riddler starts speaking of Batman and Bruce as two people. (he calls Bruce "He" when talking about how he wasn't truly an orphan)

Didn’t catch that. I’ll pay closer attention to that scene when I see it again.

 

[BatLobster]

I didn't really care for that bit of writing. There were a few too many "oh we're going here....oh actually not really" moments in a row for me. TDK does it once with Gordon's death, but it's such a fist-pumping and satisyfing payoff that it's worth it.

 

[Dragoncaine]

I didn't really care for that bit of writing. There were a few too many "oh we're going here....oh actually not really" moments in a row for me. TDK does it once with Gordon's death, but it's such a fist-pumping and satisyfing payoff that it's worth it.

Would you have preferred Riddler know and try to expose Batman's identity, or would you prefer that they never even did the misdirection?

 

[BatLobster]

Would you have preferred Riddler know and try to expose Batman's identity, or would you prefer that they never even did the misdirection?

I'm honestly not sure. I didn't need Riddler to know his identity, I think that probably would've convoluted things too much. It's a minor nitpick, but I just am not sure think the misdirection was necessary or if it really added much. I'll see how I feel about it on the next rewatch. Ultimately it's not a huge deal, just wonder what they were trying to accomplish there other than momentary shock value.

 

[J.Drangal]

Riddler knowing would be dumb...and it would look even worse if he didn't try and expose Batman with a riddle at some point.

I didn’t make my point clear enough ^^'

What I wanted to said is just that this succession of several scenes letting us believe the Riddler knew Batman true identity, culminating with that confrontation looking the vigilante in his moisty eyes while repeating ''Bruce Wayne'' fifteen times like a maniac, to finally reveal it was all a big misunderstanding felt to me like a bit of a cheap twist. It's like they had gone too far to sell us that false lead to just deflating it so simply.

 

[BMW 224]

This is something I've been dying to know to ever since the second trailer.

For those that have seen The Batman is the "what have you done " scene on par with the interrogation scene of the Dark Knight for you ?

 

[BatLobster]

This is something I've he dying to know to ever since the second trailer.

For those that have seen The Batman is Batman and Riddler interrogation scene in par with Batman and Joker interrogation scene of the Dark Knight for you ?

Not even close. IMO. I wouldn't go into it expecting something that iconic from that scene. It was one of the more disappointing scenes of the movie for me.

...still a good scene though! I realized how negative that sounded. It's just that there are a few things there that don't work 100% for me. The TDK interrogation scene is just...no. We didn't get there this time.

 

[BMW 224]

Not even close. IMO. I wouldn't go into it expecting something that iconic from that scene. It was one of the more disappointing scenes of the movie for me.

...still a good scene though! I realized how negative that sounded. It's just that there are a few things there that don't work 100% for me. The TDK interrogation scene is just...no. We didn't get there this time.

Fair enough !

As long as the scene is good I'm happy !

 

[Brother Jack]

I really liked the fakeout with Riddler knowing Batman's identity. It was a tense moment that sold the turn so well, largely due to Pattinson's incredible body language in that scene. What I didn't like as much was them walking back on the Waynes' corruption. I wish they had just gone there and made Thomas Wayne corrupt, or at least left it ambiguous.

 

[Kane52630]

I really liked the scene myself but I wish it gave us a little more for the end result.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Noob question but is Selina Kyle Falcone's daughter in the comics?

 

[Jekecy]

Noob question but is Selina Kyle Falcone's daughter in the comics?

Heavily implied.

 

[dhandler01]

I didn’t make my point clear enough ^^'

What I wanted to said is just that this succession of several scenes letting us believe the Riddler knew Batman true identity, culminating with that confrontation looking the vigilante in his moisty eyes while repeating ''Bruce Wayne'' fifteen times like a maniac, to finally reveal it was all a big misunderstanding felt to me like a bit of a cheap twist. It's like they had gone too far to sell us that false lead to just deflating it so simply.

And see I knew from the trailer trying to make it sound like he knew it was always a misdirection so it didn't bug me

 

[Kane52630]

Noob question but is Selina Kyle Falcone's daughter in the comics?

It was always alleged that she's his daughter in the Jeph Loeb stories like When in Rome.

 

[dhandler01]

The two interrogation scenes are so different they can't really be compared. I will say this one makes more sense than the TDK one but TDKs is the better scene.

 

[BMW 224]

The two interrogation scenes are so different they can't really be compared. I will say this one makes more sense than the TDK one but TDKs is the better scene.

What do you mean by "makes more sense" ?