BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - Part 19

[Travesty]

The comics and Arkham games have it too. It's just part of the character now.

 

[The Man of HEEL]

LOL, this suit has haters?!?

I could have sworn this suit was what 99.99% of us who were regulars in this thread for months wanted out of a Batman suit. It even managed to please Regwec.

I'm going to chalk it up to a vocal minority. Regardless, I'm on such an emotional high I really don't give a damn what any hater has to say about this beauty. Consider yourself ignored while I celebrate and take this in with my fellow Hypesters.

t:

Brother, I can't fathom how anyone cannot love this suit. It's what fans of the comics have dreamed of quite frankly.

 

[Eggyman]

I think the cape glide is more likely to be missing than the grapple.

 

[Cooty_Cat]

I'm so glad I don't see Ben I just see Batman. A Batman with an awesome chin.

 

[Marvin]

@ Par Avion

The conversation was started when Guard spoke about the why's of yellow belt being non-tactical if at all existent. When you brought up the mouth/cape, I began my point with the explanation into real life comparison of tactical functions of the various things you claimed otherwise. Such as:
-the cranium,
-army helmets,
-like most soldiers Captain America's helmet only covers the important parts
-same way bullet proof vests cover 'the important parts' and not the shoulders..etc
-the fact that the cape is a glider,
-how the cape can be used to protect or hide innocents from flame or maintain heat in the cold.
All things, I assume you acknowledged as I see you have said nothing to the contrary. I suppose that particular discussion could have ended there and we'd be done here. Perhaps it should.

That being said, your point may have began somewhere, but I thought it prudent to highlight another level of the issue you have seemingly disregarded/overlooked, that of accepted adaptation.
-There have been different and popular colored belts in the source material, picking black over gold/yellow is very easy for producers. There haven't been any cape free/closed mouthed suits, filmmakers are kinda stuck in that regard. But I suppose I digress. Just pay attention to the part that refutes your point directly.

As for if a rainbow cape would prove more or less distracting, I'd say more, but that's another discussion. However that wasn't the point of my comparison. The point was actually alot more simple; I said what's the point of a rainbow cape? What's the point of a gold or yellow cape. Nothing outside of aesthetics. Just like the belt being yellow or gold or bronze or what not.
It's like arguing for a rainbow cape and then saying: "but the mouth is open so why are you complaining about the rainbow cape if you're ok with the mouth being open!"
That's why it's a relevant/pertinent comparison.

I find myself mindful how Guards post highlighted that he is pleased that we are 'finally getting the black pouch' over the "Gold/Yellow" approach inspired and made popular by the comic aesthetic that stray more and more from the tactical premise of said character. How you have steered this conversation into a discussion about 'Brown and Bronze' and how people trash old franchises...The man said 'gold and yellow'.

Next we'll be talking about dark brown.

You asked what does molded armor add, I said it can contribute to the allusion of a hulking creature(roided demon) vs a non hulking creature, or non hulking human; standing in front of you. The psychological advantage that the enemy is in conflict with something hyper/or supernatural/or strong. Not so different than demonic samurai masks. That's the advantage plain and simple.
Now you are talking about him laying on the ground being examined and how that undermines the illusion? That's great and all but I simply commented on what the muscles add. Perhaps those men didn't know he was human UNTIL they had him on the ground and saw up close that it was simply a human in armor(like they said). Not exactly batman's main plan of attack/oprandi. That means that before that moment they thought they were fighting something more than human, a hybrid man bat like the papers no doubt speculated. Again, see Psychological advantage.

The other effect yielded from molded armor is that criminals think they are indeed shooting at your flesh(or close to it) when really they are actually shooting bullet proof armor. The point in either case is that the superstitious and cowardly don't know just what it is they are dealing with. Again, see psychological advantage in molded armor.

Lastly, they've managed to ground plenty of this over the years and in the source material. Not so different then grounding a crazy concept like Robocop. It's in the small steps you take, not in the overall truth. The difference between Adam West vs TDK. Doing the same with the belt is a step. Which brings me yet again back to the question you didn't answer. You think 'nothing on the suit is functional'? I still find that hard to believe.

 

[Travesty]

Sadman!!!

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yep. Like how flying was introduced to Superman, despite coming from another medium.

EDIT- Looks like the post I quoted did not get quoted. In order to save face, I change my sentiment to Batfleck looks pretty cool.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Sadman!!!

 

[D.P.]

Brother, I can't fathom how anyone cannot love this suit. It's what fans of the comics have dreamed of quite frankly.

This is years of culmination and build up of all the anxiousness and frustration of them almost getting it right finally being released. It's a collective sigh of relief. I'm happy. As I'm sure mostly everybody is.

 

[Marvin]

LOL, this suit has haters?!?

I could have sworn this suit was what 99.99% of us who were regulars in this thread for months wanted out of a Batman suit. It even managed to please Regwec.
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I wouldn't be surprised if said minority is a majority of the folks that have been against this and the last film and the producers(snyder) and WB/DC for months. I've noticed a few.

Can't please everyone. Especially with suit reveals.
Still hoping they go with white pupils in some fashion and or at some point(even digitally).

 

[roach]

Can the nickname of this suit be "Roided Demon"? Can we make that a thing?

 

[D.P.]

Snyder is slowly chipping away at what little armor people like that have left. I'm not worried about it. This is what being a fan is about. Moments like this.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I think this is going to be the best iteration of live action Batman, ever...

If I was going to be nitpicky and let's face it, I wouldn't be here at all if I wasn't!

I would reduce the size of the chest logo by around 10-15% and I would make the ears a bit longer.
Other than that? I wouldn't change a thing. I'm not surprised Kevin Smith had a nerdgasm when he saw it...

 

[roach]

I think this is going to be the best iteration of live action Batman, ever...

If I was going to be nitpicky and let's face it, I wouldn't be here at all if I wasn't!

I would reduce the size of the chest logo by around 10-15% and I would make the ears a bit longer.
Other than that? I wouldn't change a thing. I'm not surprised Kevin Smith had a nerdgasm when he saw it...

and he saw it in color

 

[Brian Braddock]

Sadman!!!

Haha. Well played.

 

[747]

Even without the complete picture, with colors, context and such, I can already easily say that this is my favorite live-action Bat-suit yet.

 

[Par Avion]

@ Par Avion

The conversation was started when Guard spoke about the why's of yellow belt being non-tactical if at all existent. When you brought up the mouth/cape, I began my point with the explanation into real life comparison of tactical functions of the various things you claimed otherwise. Such as:
-the cranium,
-army helmets,
-like most soldiers Captain America's helmet only covers the important parts
-same way bullet proof vests cover 'the important parts' and not the shoulders..etc
-the fact that the cape is a glider,
-how the cape can be used to protect or hide innocents from flame or maintain heat in the cold.
All things, I assume you acknowledged as I see you have said nothing to the contrary. I suppose that particular discussion could have ended there and we'd be done here. Perhaps it should.




That being said, your point may have began somewhere, but I thought it prudent to highlight another level of the issue you have seemingly disregarded/overlooked, that of accepted adaptation.
-There have been different and popular colored belts in the source material, picking black over gold/yellow is very easy for producers. There haven't been any cape free/closed mouthed suits, filmmakers are kinda stuck in that regard. But I suppose I digress. Just pay attention to the part that refutes your point directly.


As for if a rainbow cape would prove more or less distracting, I'd say more, but that's another discussion. However that wasn't the point of my comparison. The point was actually alot more simple; I said what's the point of a rainbow cape? What's the point of a gold or yellow cape. Nothing outside of aesthetics. Just like the belt being yellow or gold or bronze or what not.
It's like arguing for a rainbow cape and then saying: "but the mouth is open so why are you complaining about the rainbow cape if you're ok with the mouth being open!"
That's why it's a relevant/pertinent comparison.

I find myself mindful how Guards post highlighted that he is pleased that we are 'finally getting the black pouch' over the "Gold/Yellow" approach inspired and made popular by the comic aesthetic that stray more and more from the tactical premise of said character. How you have steered this conversation into a discussion about 'Brown and Bronze' and how people trash old franchises...The man said 'gold and yellow'.

Next we'll be talking about dark brown.

You asked what does molded armor add, I said it can contribute to the allusion of a hulking creature(roided demon) vs a non hulking creature, or non hulking human; standing in front of you. The psychological advantage that the enemy is in conflict with something hyper/or supernatural/or strong. Not so different than demonic samurai masks. That's the advantage plain and simple.
Now you are talking about him laying on the ground being examined and how that undermines the illusion? That's great and all but I simply commented on what the muscles add. Perhaps those men didn't know he was human UNTIL they had him on the ground and saw up close that it was simply a human in armor(like they said). Not exactly batman's main plan of attack/oprandi. That means that before that moment they thought they were fighting something more than human, a hybrid man bat like the papers no doubt speculated. Again, see Psychological advantage.

The other effect yielded from molded armor is that criminals think they are indeed shooting at your flesh(or close to it) when really they are actually shooting bullet proof armor. The point in either case is that the superstitious and cowardly don't know just what it is they are dealing with. Again, see psychological advantage in molded armor.

Lastly, they've managed to ground plenty of this over the years and in the source material. Not so different then grounding a crazy concept like Robocop. It's in the small steps you take, not in the overall truth. The difference between Adam West vs TDK. Doing the same with the belt is a step. Which brings me yet again back to the question you didn't answer. You think 'nothing on the suit is functional'? I still find that hard to believe.

The main point of all of this is that both the yellow/bronze/gold OR the black works fine- but there is NO specific reason/"real life tactical advantage" for one or the other on the costume of a man who dresses like a giant bat. It's ALL artistic license/design principle/aethetic used to break up and add variety to the suit and mix it up (or in this case unify it) visually. I think I made that exceedingly clear in my last several posts.

My point was that putting down the bold/brown/yellow belt is fine if you don't prefer that particular aesthetic- but don't try to justify it with "tactical advantage" nonsense when one can come up with a million reasons why the traditional Batman costume isn't "tactically functional" (another term I've used which you seem to have taken literally).

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'm still going to say the belt's not black....we'll see...

 

[Kevin Smith]

Best batsuit yet. Here is how I would rank all the batsuits:

Affleck
Keaton - Batman '89
Keaton - Batman Returns
Kilmer - panther suit
Kilmer - sonar suit
Clooney - 'ice' suit
Clooney - 'normal' suit
Bale - Batman Begins suit
Bale - TDK/TDKR suit

Me too. Except I hated the Clooney ice suit and the Kilmer sonar suit.

Still... imagining what a Batman and Superman movie would have been like is something that maybe first entered my mind when watching Batman & Robin as a child, when Clooney says "this is why Superman works alone", it was like "they know who Superman is??!! Awesome!".

 

[Marvin]

The main point of all of this is that both the yellow/bronze/gold OR the black works fine- but there is NO specific reason/"real life tactical advantage" for one or the other on the costume of a man who dresses like a giant bat. It's ALL artistic license/design principle/aethetic used to break up and add variety to the suit and mix it up (or in this case unify it) visually. I think I made that exceedingly clear in my last several posts.

My point was that putting down the bold/brown/yellow belt is fine if you don't prefer that particular aesthetic- but don't try to justify it with "tactical advantage" nonsense when one can come up with a million reasons why the traditional Batman costume isn't "tactically functional" (another term I've used which you seem to have taken literally).

Problem is you didn't come up with many reasons why the suit isn't "tactically functional"(literal or just kidding). You came up with 3 reasons, three examples that I spent some time (attempting) to dispute/refute. If you want to argue the 'giant bat' thing as well, I assure you I have a few reasons for that as well.

You know I read once that batman has a bright attention drawing emblem on his chest as a target to coax people into shooting/attacking/stabbing him there(especially in the dark). I think it was Danny O'Niel that said, that's the part of batman's armor that is most heavily padded/armored. Resulting in a 'tactical purpose'. Doing the same with his belt...I don't see it.

Breaking up the design works aesthetically to be sure(black can do that on a grey suit) but the idea that it works towards and not against the premise of tactical advantage(see black tumbler/black robocop suit and how both come supplementary to a line about tactical or what not). To each his own. We'll have disagree.

I'd further add that liking something more than something else and for an arguable reason, doesn't need to be belittled with the assertion that people boost things by trashing others.

 

[lujho]

So... some of the lines on the bodysuit are seams, some of them are wrinkles... but am I mistaken or are some of them cuts that have been sewn up? Like, by Alfred? It looks like this suit has seen a lot of action and has been repaired a lot.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Arkham Origins has a better design of Batman in terms of the cowl and emblem.

 

[The Caped Knight]

It looks great , I just have a few issues
1. Ears are to short
2. Emblem logo to big

 

[Marvin]

Arkham Origins has a better design of Batman in terms of the cowl and emblem.

What do you find better about the emblem?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Sadman!!!

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