BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - Part 19

¿What did you think of the Batsuit?

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.

  • Love it!! Best Batsuit so far, even if we haven't seen it in color.

  • It's good, need to see more to jude it.

  • Meh.

  • Don't like it.


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My point was that putting down the bold/brown/yellow belt is fine if you don't prefer that particular aesthetic- but don't try to justify it with "tactical advantage" nonsense when one can come up with a million reasons why the traditional Batman costume isn't "tactically functional" (another term I've used which you seem to have taken literally).

I would have to agree..
I "prefer" a darker belt.. But it is purely aesthetics..
Batman is NOT real.. So I look forward to the character be judged in that way once again. No more of the Nolan "everything needs to make sense as if it was in the real world".

Suspending our disbelief, and just enjoying it..
Harder these days that is, but I will try..

I remember watching "BR".. When Batman was on top of the building and all of a sudden these huge hard wings showed up out of no where.. What? Where did those come from? Then after gliding around the madness below, he lands to have his "rubber" cape once again as he summer saluted towards his awaiting car...

Some have mentioned the new "muscles" on Ben's suit, and how they do not make sense?
I also remember watching "BR" and thinking.. "So the suit is armor, why does it bend and wrinkle while he bends forward and moves about?" Or.. "Does Michael Keaton's batman seem like the guy that actually create these things?"

I still like that suit from "BR" .. No matter the little things that didn't really have consistency.. It is, in the end, a comic book character..

Do I need to know if those abs on Ben's suit are real? Not really..
Do these muscles make any more or less sense than the obvious "sculpted" look of suits from the past? Not to me..

Do I need to see a scene where Batman explains.. " Alfred , the carbon re-enforced poly-urethane is a little rigid for my mobility.. Let's try a 40 shore 'A' instead of the 60 shore 'A' that we are using now. I just hope that I do not need to make new molds for these. I'm getting older, and need to adjust the materials, and I do hope that the 40 shore 'A' still stops a bullitt." ?

No I do not..

I think he simply looks badass.. And I look forward to seeing This new Batman standing up straight.. In color.. Looking pissed off.. Thinking..

"There are 7 working defenses from this position.. 3 of them disarm with minimal contact. 3 of them kill.. The other.. (KRAKK).. Hurts"
 
That new batsuit is going to make one BAD ASS statue. Can't wait to see that.

Whatever statues or high end figures are released based off the new films suit, I cannot wait to own. It's so beautifullllllll. You know Hot Toys will release like a BvS Trinity set. I might have to shell out the $$$ for that haha.
 
Snyders films tend to be more colourful than not(watchmen/300). It actually, tends to depend on the setting and time of day. As I often refer, superman in the afternoon desert wasn't not desaturated.

I agree with his past works, but seeing MOS suit up close and personal.. The chrome muscle suit really popped.. And the blue on top was bright and full of glory. Whether in the desert, or anywhere else.. I felt that the MOS suit was too filtered.. Just my opinion.. In person? I was shocked at the difference..
 
He looks a lot more physically imposing than superman in mos. Didn't think I would ever say that based on cavils appearance.
 
Hrm,
When I first saw the suit I just assumed that the bat was black...but it does kind of look like it's just the same color as the suit.
It's two separate pieces/types of material though and it kinda makes me think that the bottom layer will be black and the top will be gray.
Giving the gray bat a black outline instead of being entirely black.
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LOL, this suit has haters?!?

I could have sworn this suit was what 99.99% of us who were regulars in this thread for months wanted out of a Batman suit. It even managed to please Regwec.

I'm going to chalk it up to a vocal minority. Regardless, I'm on such an emotional high I really don't give a damn what any hater has to say about this beauty. Consider yourself ignored while I celebrate and take this in with my fellow Hypesters.

:woot:

And that's like getting a cat to kiss a dog!

i really like the black utility belt

I hope the symbol is darker than the rest of his torso , but other than that the suit is perfcect

I find the colour scheme very difficult to guess. The material on the symbol is different to that of the undersuit (the texture gives it away), but it is clearly not "darker" unless is has some kind of sheen that makes it appear lighter in some conditions than others. The idea that the symbol might be yellow seems possible on the evidence, but would be a surprising move.

The fact that the symbol is so large, and battle damaged, suggests to me that it is supposed to have some protective function, probably echoing the reasons Frank Miller gave for the oval.

The gloves, cowl etc are a different material again. They seem like the sculpted stuff we are used to, which may be the way to go. It begs the question, however, that if suit, symbol and these are all different materials, which colour is each? Does the monochrome photograph conceal a surprise?

On the influences on the suit, I think Kevin Smith's description of it being a bit Jim Lee and a bit Frank Miller were accurate: it most resembles the All Star suit, which was a product of Jim Lee drawing Frank Miller's Batman:

all_star_batman_by_jim_lee_by_ink2paper916-d2xh9vf_zps70778695.jpg
 
Kevin smith said it was black

Isn't that just assuming his knowledge of the color is coming from the original photo Snyder showed him and assuming that picture was in full color?

Otherwise, he's basing that on the same photo the rest of us saw.
 
Isn't that just assuming his knowledge of the color is coming from the original photo Snyder showed him and assuming that picture was in full color?

Otherwise, he's basing that on the same photo the rest of us saw.

The Batmobile wasn't constructed when Kevin Smith first saw the suit. It's safe to say the suit is Black and Grey.
 
Kevin smith said it was black

In all fairness, Kevin's view of the pictures was some time ago..
Minds could have changed since then I presume?

To me? It almost looks like it has warmer values than the suit itself.. A color pic is going to be very interesting..
 
That whole "it's a target" explanation is just something Miller made up to explain a yellow emblem on a guy who is supposed to be a bat. They changed it to a more fitting emblem so this entire justification is out of the reason. Besides, i dont see why he'd need an armoured emblem as a shield. I mean, just protect your whole torso and draw a better looking bat over that armour. It's simpler, is it not?
 
I find the colour scheme very difficult to guess. The material on the symbol is different to that of the undersuit (the texture gives it away), but it is clearly not "darker" unless is has some kind of sheen that makes it appear lighter in some conditions than others. The idea that the symbol might be yellow seems possible on the evidence, but would be a surprising move.

On the influences on the suit, I think Kevin Smith's description of it being a bit Jim Lee and a bit Frank Miller were accurate: it most resembles the All Star suit, which was a product of Jim Lee drawing Frank Miller's Batman:

all_star_batman_by_jim_lee_by_ink2paper916-d2xh9vf_zps70778695.jpg

Thinking about it now, I think that as far as the image goes? You are spot on..
As far as the colors of the belt and emblem?
Maybe there are gold accents on both?
 
I agree with his past works, but seeing MOS suit up close and personal.. The chrome muscle suit really popped.. And the blue on top was bright and full of glory. Whether in the desert, or anywhere else.. I felt that the MOS suit was too filtered.. Just my opinion.. In person? I was shocked at the difference..

Alot of things pop and look bolder up close and in real life than they do in the movies. Just saying. There were scenes in mos that were really filtered down(such as on the ship/interrogation room) and there were scenes that were far less filtered.
Looking at a few non Znyder filtered shots, I personally don't think his lighter shots really fall that far short, your experience my be affected in part by what I described above. I saw the power ranger suits up close and in person once, pretty vivid experience. my opinion.
 
One can invent/justify/rationalize any design element, no matter how absurd (eg. The utility belt is a lighter color so that Bruce is able to see it more clearly in the dark). These sorts of rationalizations are clearly absurd justifications for visually dynamic design choices (static mask covering face w/ exposed, clearly human mouth when one wants to appear as a creature? bat emblem on chest neither bright nor attention drawing? And on and on).

I know you have, but I asked "what disadvantage a gold belt presents". Similar to what is the actual advantage a bat emblem (neither bright nor attention drawing) on his chest is.

Unfortunately you haven't presented any argument as to why a gold/yellow/bronze belt present a tactical disadvantage yet.

I'm not going by what he said/presented- Not what I think he might have meant. Whether that was his actual intention is unknow, but I see this exact behaviour on these boards a lot. An observation.
The cape, for example allows him to fly and protects his entire person from various things such as flame or chemical, certain light, it even allows for certain arts of cape infused martial arts depending on it's weight....all seem pretty significant. You suggesting such justifications are on par with allowing him to see the belt better in dark:huh: A belt he more often then not doesn't even look at when he retrieves it's contents, more than half of which are in his rear(see hawkeye/green arrow paradigm). Various stories of him telling other people where to find things on his belt; 'third compartment on the right'....sorry. That would be what you are describing as a flimsy rationalization.
I would ask you either try for a more significant rationalization or move past the point.
As for the mouth exposing that he's human, the batman is said to be some sort of creature, given the musculature/organic armorskin, some form of human hybrid creature, I'd even venture to suggest how often the alley shadows conceal the mouth(even more when he uses the useless cape) but that would be reaching I suppose. There are even a few stories where people mistake the actual man bat creature for him.. People think robocop is a hybrid..I digress.
Either way, Batman's mouth is exposed just as his joints are, he protects what's most important, further an exposed mouth presents a hand full of advantages(as I've also listed prior). Especially when he has various devices that can easily cover said exposure handy.

I haven't addressed it cause you only started asking. I see now that you meant disadvantage. I'd say it was a simple one: it's bright and stands out, much in the same way a gold/yellow emblem does only without a clever purpose. I'd say the same about gold/yellow boots or a cape. It stands out without a purpose when really there is no need, and various other in popular canon ways he can go.

As for what the non yellow emblem does for him, that's interesting. I'd argue it being black helps the blending in aspect obviously. As for it being in the shape of a bat at all, I would imagine that would have to do with his personal psychosis as presented in TDKT. He wants to reinforce the image and iconography of the traumatizing bat upon as many people as he can, he see's this as a war and he wants his banner(if you will) to have a shape that he carries around with him. If anything for easy reproduction.
It's why he lit the bridge on fire with his banner in the last film, similar to daredevil and the fire symbol on the road. It's why the bat symbol in the sky doesn't just read 'batman' but rather coveys his banner, it's why his ninja stars are in the shape of his banner. Flaunting around a specific banner for your enemies and allies has advantages found in the antiquity of war. Especially in the 'battle for a city'. Him wearing it around seemingly reinforces that. Not so different than carrying that Rome eagle into battle. People see it and they make the correlation directly to 'The Batman' and not other vigilante. Knowing you are facing the US army vs some other army...
There is also advantage is that stands for mean's something, see why caps shield looks the way it does and how that serves the premise in a way beyond the aesthetic, now that the bat stands for hope in nolan gotham that means such and such. Both points very much argued in stories such as DKR.
But that's my personal read.

As for seeing similar behavior in these boards, I can't speak for everyone. People tend to hate what they hate for whatever reasons, but to simply disregard what the man is stating in a direct reply to him, stood out to me.

I personally don't see how, when given an option, a ninja would seemingly grab the yellow tool bag, the yellow sword, yellow bandana...etc. Cause depending on the fiction, however grounded, it's all fake aesthics? I get why ninjas exposed various parts of their faces(including shredder) instead of going for the full(footclan 1990/cartoons) bags on their heads. But if they are creatures of stealth and shadows, it's pretty easy to see how some fans my appreciate things contributing to said premise vs against it.
 
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And that's like getting a cat to kiss a dog!



I find the colour scheme very difficult to guess. The material on the symbol is different to that of the undersuit (the texture gives it away), but it is clearly not "darker" unless is has some kind of sheen that makes it appear lighter in some conditions than others. The idea that the symbol might be yellow seems possible on the evidence, but would be a surprising move.

The fact that the symbol is so large, and battle damaged, suggests to me that it is supposed to have some protective function, probably echoing the reasons Frank Miller gave for the oval.

The gloves, cowl etc are a different material again. They seem like the sculpted stuff we are used to, which may be the way to go. It begs the question, however, that if suit, symbol and these are all different materials, which colour is each? Does the monochrome photograph conceal a surprise?

On the influences on the suit, I think Kevin Smith's description of it being a bit Jim Lee and a bit Frank Miller were accurate: it most resembles the All Star suit, which was a product of Jim Lee drawing Frank Miller's Batman:

all_star_batman_by_jim_lee_by_ink2paper916-d2xh9vf_zps70778695.jpg
I wonder how signifcantly the reaction would change if the cape and cowl turned out to be dark blue. I don't expect it, but some of the colourizations posted here are super interesting.
 
Hrm,
When I first saw the suit I just assumed that the bat was black...but it does kind of look like it's just the same color as the suit.
It's two separate pieces/types of material though and it kinda makes me think that the bottom layer will be black and the top will be gray.
Giving the gray bat a black outline instead of being entirely black.
33uykvb.jpg

Oh wow, didn't even notice the scratches went OUTSIDE the symbol onto the actual suit.
 
And that's like getting a cat to kiss a dog!



I find the colour scheme very difficult to guess. The material on the symbol is different to that of the undersuit (the texture gives it away), but it is clearly not "darker" unless is has some kind of sheen that makes it appear lighter in some conditions than others. The idea that the symbol might be yellow seems possible on the evidence, but would be a surprising move.

The fact that the symbol is so large, and battle damaged, suggests to me that it is supposed to have some protective function, probably echoing the reasons Frank Miller gave for the oval.

The gloves, cowl etc are a different material again. They seem like the sculpted stuff we are used to, which may be the way to go. It begs the question, however, that if suit, symbol and these are all different materials, which colour is each? Does the monochrome photograph conceal a surprise?

From reports earlier in the year from various sources (Latino review specifically) they said there will be two suits in the film - the first (in this revealed photo) will be blue and grey. I think I may actually believe this considering the shades shown in the revealed image. And again, it would be consistent with Kevin Smith's comments saying that the suit is ballsy and mind blowing. This monochrome image is totally awesome, but not mind blowing...not like seeing it as a blue and grey version on the big screen would be.
 
Isn't that just assuming his knowledge of the color is coming from the original photo Snyder showed him and assuming that picture was in full color?

Otherwise, he's basing that on the same photo the rest of us saw.

Smith described the photo he saw in detail- Batman was standing on a roof with Superman in the background. This is a different photo.

That whole "it's a target" explanation is just something Miller made up to explain a yellow emblem on a guy who is supposed to be a bat. They changed it to a more fitting emblem so this entire justification is out of the reason. Besides, i dont see why he'd need an armoured emblem as a shield. I mean, just protect your whole torso and draw a better looking bat over that armour. It's simpler, is it not?

No, the reasoning could well be applied despite a variation to the symbol.

On your other point, you could "just protect your whole" body, from head to toe, in an inch-thick steel sarcophagus, but the approach taken with this suit is clearly to lighten the load.
 
From reports earlier in the year from various sources (Latino review specifically) they said there will be two suits in the film - the first (in this revealed photo) will be blue and grey. I think I may actually believe this considering the shades shown in the revealed image. And again, it would be consistent with Kevin Smith's comments saying that the suit is ballsy and mind blowing. This monochrome image is totally awesome, but not mind blowing...not like seeing it as a blue and grey version on the big screen would be.

No one said the suit will be blue and gray.
 
Smith described the photo he saw in detail- Batman was standing on a roof with Superman in the background. This is a different photo.

Understood, but we have no idea as to whether or not that photo was in color or whether or not that is what he is referring to when his said "big, black bat" or whatever.
 
No one said the suit will be blue and gray.

As I said, Latino review was quoted in saying the following, "The more interesting thing I’ve heard is that Batman will actually wear 2 batsuits in the film, but where as Grey-and-Blue has already been designed and Affleck has worn it, the second Batsuit is more armored like the one in the Dark Knight Returns and Kingdom Come comics."

http://batman-news.com/2014/01/23/ben-affleck-wear-blue-grey-batsuit-batman-vs-superman/

I'm not saying it's true, but with the shading in the reveal photo, I'd say it's very possible.
 
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