BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - Part 19

[Lando81]

Sourcing Latino Review is lunacy at this point. El Mayembie especially has no clue what he's talking about and that whole site has very little weight behind their "scoops".

 

[BatFan1979]

Sourcing Latino Review is lunacy at this point. El Mayembie especially has no clue what he's talking about and that whole site has very little weight behind their "scoops".

I know I know...even in Chris' article, it was updated with saying his sources said it wasn't true, but my 2 thoughts still stand...1) considering the contrast in the suit image, black and grey would show more difference in shade, and 2) I think blue and grey would be a completely ballsy move and would confirm Smith's comments about it being a Batman that's never been seen on screen before.

 

[Spamtron]

And some don't (bat emblem). In what way does a black belt "serve the premise" over a yellow one?

I know you have, but I asked "what disadvantage a gold belt presents". Similar to what is the actual advantage a bat emblem (neither bright nor attention drawing) on his chest is.

Unfortunately you haven't presented any argument as to why a gold/yellow/bronze belt present a tactical disadvantage yet.

A contrasting color belt(yellow/pink/whatever) compared to the rest of his outfit that's blends into the dark surroundings can be noticed by an opponent... creating an easier target to follow/hit.

 

[RAE072]

As I said, Latino review was quoted in saying the following, "The more interesting thing I’ve heard is that Batman will actually wear 2 batsuits in the film, but where as Grey-and-Blue has already been designed and Affleck has worn it, the second Batsuit is more armored like the one in the Dark Knight Returns and Kingdom Come comics."

http://batman-news.com/2014/01/23/ben-affleck-wear-blue-grey-batsuit-batman-vs-superman/

I'm not saying it's true, but with the shading in the reveal photo, I'd say it's very possible.

It's possible that the suit is lavender and pink. Anything is possible.

Not very likely.

Also:

Lastly, Latino Review goes on to say that they expect the first official image of Ben Affleck as Batman to be released in February/early March.

Hilarious.

I know I know...even in Chris' article, it was updated with saying his sources said it wasn't true, but my 2 thoughts still stand...1) considering the contrast in the suit image, black and grey would show more difference in shade, and 2) I think blue and grey would be a completely ballsy move and would confirm Smith's comments about it being a Batman that's never been seen on screen before.

A live action black and gray serious take on Batman has ALSO never been seen on screen.

 

[Lando81]

We've never seen Gray and Black on screen. If the cowl and cape were blue, I'd assume they'd look a whole hell of a lot lighter than they do. Plus Snyder is a miller fan through and through. As much as I'd love a blue and gray costume, chances are very unlikely.

 

[BatFan1979]

It's possible that the suit is lavender and pink. Anything is possible.

Not very likely.

Okay, so you think the likelihood of getting a blue and grey suit is equal to that of a lavender and pink?! That's just a bad comparison. I said the blue and grey was very possible because it's been rumored now and then, and for the fact that it's one of the two main color schemes of the batsuit over the years. It's not a crazy claim like, say, lavender and pink

 

[Par Avion]

The cape, for example allows him to fly and protects his entire person from various things such as flame or chemical, certain light, it even allows for certain arts of cape infused martial arts depending on it's weight....all seem pretty significant. You suggesting such justifications are on par with allowing him to see the belt better in dark A belt he more often then not doesn't even look at when he retrieves it's contents, more than half of which are in his rear. Various stories of him telling other people where to find things on his belt by 'third compartment on the right'....sorry. That would be what you are describing as a flimsy rationalization.
I would ask you either try for a more significant rationalization or move past the point.
As for the mouth exposing that he's human, the batman is said to be some sort of creature, given the musculature/organic armorskin, some form of human hybrid creature, I'd even venture to suggest how often the alley shadows conceal the mouth(even more when he uses the useless cape) but that would be reaching I suppose. There are even a few stories where people mistake the actual man bat creature for him.. People think robocop is a hybrid..I digress.

Interesting. The shadows conceal his face but not the bronze/brown/gold of a utlity belt or the detailed musculature of his suit. Easy to make it seem like you're right when you decide on the context...

Either way, Batman's mouth is exposed just as his joints are, he protects what's most important, further an exposed mouth presents a hand full of advantages(as I've also listed prior). Especially when he has various devices that can easily cover said exposure handy.

The lower half of his face isn't important? Advantages such as what? Also, please list the tactical advantages of a bat emblem on ones chest (non-speculation please).

I haven't addressed it cause you only started asking. I see now that you meant disadvantage. I'd say it was a simple one: it's bright and stands out, much in the same way a gold/yellow emblem does only without a clever purpose. I'd say the same about gold/yellow boots or a cape. It stands out without a purpose when really there is no need, and various other in popular canon ways he can go.

Much in the same way that white skin against a black suit/mask would stand out/present an easy target? Also, who says the belt needs to be bright? You're deciding the context again to spin the argument in your favour. Maybe it's a toned down bronze or subdued gold. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say if the new belt does in fact turn out to be something other than black...

As for what the non yellow emblem does for him, that's interesting. I'd argue it being black helps the blending in aspect obviously. As for it being in the shape of a bat at all, I would imagine that would have to do with his personal psychosis as presented in TDKT. He wants to reinforce the image and iconography of the traumatizing bat upon as many people as he can, he see's this as a war and he wants his banner(if you will) to have a shape that he carries around with him. If anything for easy reproduction.
It's why he lit the bridge on fire with his banner in the last film, similar to daredevil and the fire symbol on the road. It's why the bat symbol in the sky doesn't just read 'batman' but rather coveys his banner, it's why his ninja stars are in the shape of his banner. Flaunting around a specific banner for your enemies and allies has advantages found in the antiquity of war. Especially in the 'battle for a city'. Him wearing it around seemingly reinforces that. Not so different than carrying that Rome eagle into battle. People see it and they make the correlation directly to 'The Batman' and not other vigilante. Knowing you are facing the US army vs some other army...
There is also advantage is that stands for mean's something, see why caps shield looks the way it does and how that serves the premise in a way beyond the aesthetic, now that the bat stands for hope in nolan gotham that means such and such. Both points very much argued in stories such as DKR.
But that's my personal read.

That's just as specious and "flimsy" a rationalization as my idea about the utility belt. What are the odds anyone would even see the emblem though- Seeing as how it's "disguised by shadows" (much like his face according to you)?

As for seeing similar behavior in these boards, I can't speak for everyone. People tend to hate what they hate for whatever reasons, but to simply disregard what the man is stating in a direct reply to him, stood out to me.

Just an observation. I didn't diregard anything he said. I disagree with his conceit concerning the bat-belt and take exception with the way he put down previous versions in favour of the new one. Not complicated.

I personally don't see how, when given an option, a ninja would seemingly grab the yellow tool bag, the yellow sword, yellow bandana...etc. Cause depending on the fiction, however grounded, it's all fake aesthics? I get why ninjas exposed various parts of their faces(including shredder) instead of going for the full(footclan) bangs on their heads. But if they are creatures of stealth and shadows, it's pretty easy to see how some fans my appreciate things contributing to said premise vs against it.

Totally see where you're coming from- but you're deciding context again- who's saying "bright yellow" other than you? Brown/bronze/gold-ish (see Nolan utility belt) are all grounded alternatives that you still haven't given an actual answer as to why they are tactically disadvantageous.

 

[Par Avion]

A contrasting color belt(yellow/pink/whatever) compared to the rest of his outfit that's blends into the dark surroundings can be noticed by an opponent... creating an easier target to follow/hit.

What about a subdued brown/bronze? Is that more or less contrasty than white skin against a black costume?

 

[RAE072]

Okay, so you think the likelihood of getting a blue and grey suit is equal to that of a lavender and pink?! That's just a bad comparison. I said the blue and grey was very possible because it's been rumored now and then, and for the fact that it's one of the two main color schemes of the batsuit over the years. It's not a crazy claim like, say, lavender and pink

Oh yes, it's certainly been rumored.

Lastly, Latino Review goes on to say that they expect the first official image of Ben Affleck as Batman to be released in February/early March.

 

[regwec]

I just realised the belt has tubes as well as pouches.

Sex.

 

[BatFan1979]

Oh yes, it's certainly been rumored.

So, again, you're committed to your argument that the likelihood of getting a blue and grey suit is equal to that of a lavender and pink?

 

[Young Superman]

probably posted already but...

not my manip.

This looks like All Star Batman & Robin Batman.

 

[RAE072]

So, again, you're committed to your argument that the likelihood of getting a blue and grey suit is equal to that of a lavender and pink?

No?

Just that, as you say, it's possible. Just like it's POSSIBLE that we're getting a lavender and pink suit. Or a red and green suit.

ANYTHING is possible.

Just not very probable.

And considering that that rumor came from Latino Review who was blatantly wrong about when the suit was revealed(by about 2-3 months) and considering that Kevin Smith, who has seen a picture of the Batsuit that was different from the one we saw, probably in color, has said that it was black and gray, we can deduce that the suit will, in all probability, be black and gray.

 

[RAE072]

This looks like All Star Batman & Robin Batman.

I wish Jim had been more consistent on the All-Star costume.

In this picture it's black and gray, also in this picture:

Which looks way better.

But then later on he switched back to blue and gray.

So odd.

 

[Par Avion]

I wish Jim had been more consistent on the All-Star costume.

In this picture it's black and gray, also in this picture:

Which looks way better.

But then later on he switched back to blue and gray.

So odd.

I doubt it was Jim Lee's choice. Was he the colorist for this book? Also, could depend on the lighting.

 

[Travesty]

I wish Jim had been more consistent on the All-Star costume.

In this picture it's black and gray, also in this picture:


Which looks way better.

But then later on he switched back to blue and gray.

So odd.

Was Jim Lee the colorist for that?

Edit: ^ ha, you beat me to it.

 

[regwec]

it most resembles the All Star suit, which was a product of Jim Lee drawing Frank Miller's Batman:

This looks like All Star Batman & Robin Batman.

 

[RAE072]

Was Jim Lee the colorist for that?

Edit: ^ ha, you beat me to it.

Nope, Alex Sinclair was. Who Lee has worked with previously.

Wouldn't Lee have final say though?

Just seems odd to switch randomly like that.

Even on the cover of ASB&R#1 Batman is black and gray.

Just weird to me.

 

[BatFan1979]

No?

Just that, as you say, it's possible. Just like it's POSSIBLE that we're getting a lavender and pink suit. Or a red and green suit.

ANYTHING is possible.

Just not very probable.

And considering that that rumor came from Latino Review who was blatantly wrong about when the suit was revealed(by about 2-3 months) and considering that Kevin Smith, who has seen a picture of the Batsuit that was different from the one we saw, probably in color, has said that it was black and gray, we can deduce that the suit will, in all probability, be black and gray.

I understand your point about possible vs. probable. With that said, I think your example was just a bit extreme. I was mainly trying to say that blue and grey is a very "probable" option considering the character and the shading differences in the photo. Again, as I've said in other threads, I'm all for the black and grey, but the image is just giving me pause about that likelihood. I'm sure if Kevin Smith confirmed black and grey than there you go. Guess I missed that interview.

 

[Travesty]

Nope, Alex Sinclair was. Who Lee has worked with previously.

Wouldn't Lee have final say though?

Just seems odd to switch randomly like that.

Even on the cover of ASB&R#1 Batman is black and gray.

Just weird to me.

Oh, it is weird, I'm not doubting that.

 

[Sex]

Sex.

Greetings.

 

[regwec]

Ahah! If only all nerds knew that you could be summoned by speaking your name.

 

[terry78]

How long you been waiting to unleash that one?

 

[superkong 500]

Question, what material would you guys guess is the suit made of? Cause it's hard to tell, from a far it looks like rubber, closer it looks like it could be spandex or something similar, but it also looks leathery. But leather doesn't stretch tight like that over the body?... It doesn't look like the same material used for cavil's suit, it looks thicker and more rigid. Maybe in a better lit/in color pic the texture will look different and gives us a better idea of what material it could be.
Thoughts?

 

[KalMart]