BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - Part 19

[Par Avion]

Never said the exposed face didn't have disadvantages. I explained that it had advantages as well as his head being protected enough to still be real world practical(See Swat Team).
I also mentioned in addition how it doesn't undermine the hybrid creature premise and a few other things. I see we've moved onto the next qualm, we are seemingly going down the list that I have to debunk. At least we're moving.
I mentioned that a partially exposed face can often times be hidden in shadows, Take a look at the ninjas in the back here, partially exposed face but still blending under direct light:

(Throw a burton belt over one of those suckers shoulders and see what happens)
I never said that was the default but it can be applied under the right circumstance with effort as can the belt but why choose FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON or advantage, same with yellow boots and gloves. I also never said any of this was perfect, I simply contested your assertion that nothing on his suit design was anything but aesthetic.
As for hiding the detailed musculature....guess he needs to go back to the drawing board on that one. How to still show his muscles when in the dark otherwise it's all moot lol. Clearly I'm talking about when he is exposed to his enemies, I assume happens in his fights and such, more or less when he wants it to happen.

Never said the suit, or the emblem or his black costume is always 'disguised by the shadows'. Pretty sure all his enemies and plenty of his allies have seen him and his black insignia....
I listed the tactical advantage to the insignia on his chest, particularly as to how it directly correlates with the myth and giant symbol in the sky, now I'm curious; as flimsy as my rhetoric is for why he even has it(on his chest) is; care to argue against anything I said, the way I did against your yellow belt easy to find stuff theory? I would hope you can do more than simply assert the word 'flimsy'.

And again, the mandible and to a lesser degree upper jaw are alot less important than his brain(see regulation army/police/baseball helmets). They protect the brain and upper skull, allowing for communication and such through the mouth. I also listed how he can switch between various re breathers and pills and so forth with little to no effort. That is to say he could at least paint his mouth black and take even more precautions like slide, but there is at least some things there. I've yet to hear why a yellow belt is at all rational or advantageous in any such way!
I also made it a point to explain how tradition plays somewhat of a part here, where as with the belt there is no such strangle hold whatsoever. But again, that's an additional.

You can keep saying that you're "debunking" things, but that doesn't make it so. Do the supposed pros of a partially exposed face (?), outweigh the cons (easy target [white skin against black costume]). You keep arguing for practicality and tactical advantage of things that aren't necessarily meant to be so.

Again, never said or implied that "nothing on his suit design was anything but aesthetic", but that in addition to some of the comic book practicality, that many of the choices made for the Batman costume are in favour of that "cool" or "badass" aesthetic. This is where you're getting lost in the discussion: You could easily whittel the Batman costume down to something something far more "tactically advantageous" but at the same time much less fun/badass and much more dull, generic, personality-less. The choices for Batman's appearance were made first according to how pleasing/cool they were aesthetically, and only later assigned meaning/function/significance. The aesthetics of a comic book character will almost always take precedence over functionality/practicality. That's why they're SO MUCH FUN.

I'm deciding context? I'm arguing against a bright yellow and or bright belt or belt that stands out. If you are arguing for a dark belt that very much blends in, then that changes the entire context of this conversation now doesn't it. Here you were arguing that function means nothing over all aesthetics when it comes to batman, now we are creeping more and more into the darker or darkest belt. I have no issue with a non black belt(I personally don't think black blends as well as a few other tones) Notice me not arguing against a grey suit. I have issues with a belt that, like Guard argued against, is very much lighter than the rest of the suit, that includes TDKT(imo); for absolutely no reason other than aesthetics only to be defended by someone that says batman is all aesthetics.

Wow. I had no idea that you were taking my stance THAT literally (which doesn't at all imply that I was "kidding"[?] as you remarked earlier). Did you not read my post on comic book practicality? Sure, Batman has a certain comic book functionality to certain aspects of his costume, but other aspects are there because they are visually interesting/dynamic. Period. I really thought you'd get the overarching gist of my comments about aesthetics. I don't think I was being too esoteric or unclear there...But perhaps I'm getting at something a bit too nuanced/subtle in matters of storytelling and creative decisions concerning aesthetics (from the replies I'm getting I can see that this is the case).


From the very beginning of my argument I mentioned subdued bronze/gold/brown as acceptable, grounded substitutes for the comic book "yellow". Never one single time have I asserted that a bright yellow, Burton utility belt would be practical or advantageous in any way- so I don't get why you keep carrying on with that.

Either you argue that dark broze is tactical or you argue that batman doesn't care about tactical, but your hovering on multiples sides here is growing confusing. I mean seriously, what about a dark dark subdued peach belt? The point is that the less it stands out against the suit the better the belt design is for the premise, period. You seemingly agree on the practicality there, otherwise you wouldn't be going where you are going.
On that note, great.

No, dark bronze is not tactical and yes, Batman does care about tactical.
No, a bat emblem on ones chest is not tactical and yes, Batman does care about being tactical.
No, a long billowing, scalloped cape is not practical, yes Batman does care about being practical.

Again, please see my post concerning "comic book practicality" and how it takes a back seat to aesthetics.

You seem to be approaching this as an "all or nothing" black/white argument. There are, as always shades of gray, especially when it comes to creative decisions in adapting cartoon characters into a live action setting whilst maintaining versimilitude.

Clearly you disagree but I'm still trying to discern as to why. He said he didn't like a yellow or gold belt(as we've seen in the past) cause it works against practicality and that they've always had the option of an alternative. Which is 100% true. He also said how this is the First black pouch belt we've seen. Also very true.

Where you factor into all of this other than to claim that the 'bronze' not yellow or gold belts from the nolan film weren't all that impractical and to claim fans hate things that are old, as well as claiming everything on batman is impractical in nature.... guess we'll never know.

Ok, it's clear now that I'm talking about something on an entirely different level (ie. Creative choices in storytelling, their purpose/function-please see my previous post about "comic book practicality") Given this comment. I never argued any such thing and I am sorry that from my comments you've come to such a conclusion/ interpreted it in such a literal way.

Again, if you want to have a philosophical discussion about how practicality infuses the character and has mostly been conveyed that's one thing. If you want to discuss how nolan's belts weren't all that yellow but actually fed into that, that's another discussion.
Anyways I have some work to do. Have a good one.

From the start I took exception with a comment slamming one tradition in place of a new aesthetic that is actually no more or less redundant/impractical than any of a dozen other things about the character of Batman. You decided to take what I felt was a very clear and succinct comment on the matter very, very literally. Who knows. Anywho, take care. cheers!

 

[Young Superman]

Off topic, but I wonder if the Batarangs and/or the Bat Signal will look like the Bat Symbol on his chest?

 

[KalMart]

Sadman!!

Madman....

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Nice!

 

[Mr. Finger]

Well.. I am glad that you did "bring it"...
Man.. Black and grey.. Material.. Short ears.. And glowing eyes in some shots?

Whew.. Do not know if I could take that..

Looks great...

 

[roach]

I get it the emblem now and why it's an overly fat Bat it's because the new Batman is been eatting to many cheeseburgers. Seriously I hate the new bat costume. It looks corny and stupid and should be thrown alway.

This movie has to be a joke right. I mean the movie will come out and really be a Superman movie and not yet another Batman movie. Cause at this point it's all about Batman. How about some actually Superman content for those of use who actually like Superman.

This is why I don't want to see the movie and why I will hate it. Batman will steal the show because this is the only character WB knows.

 

[Mr. Finger]

We'll done Roach.. Well done indeed..

 

[G.Godfrey]

I get it the emblem now and why it's an overly fat Bat it's because the new Batman is been eatting to many cheeseburgers. Seriously I hate the new bat costume. It looks corny and stupid and should be thrown alway.

This movie has to be a joke right. I mean the movie will come out and really be a Superman movie and not yet another Batman movie. Cause at this point it's all about Batman. How about some actually Superman content for those of use who actually like Superman.

This is why I don't want to see the movie and why I will hate it. Batman will steal the show because this is the only character WB knows.

 

[The Guard]

The main point of all of this is that both the yellow/bronze/gold OR the black works fine- but there is NO specific reason/"real life tactical advantage" for one or the other on the costume of a man who dresses like a giant bat. It's ALL artistic license/design principle/aethetic used to break up and add variety to the suit and mix it up (or in this case unify it) visually. I think I made that exceedingly clear in my last several posts.

My point was that putting down the bold/brown/yellow belt is fine if you don't prefer that particular aesthetic- but don't try to justify it with "tactical advantage" nonsense when one can come up with a million reasons why the traditional Batman costume isn't "tactically functional" (another term I've used which you seem to have taken literally).

Except that in many respects, the elements of the traditional Batman costume are quite tactically relevant and functional, if not realistically functional in the real world. Though there are plenty of legitimate explanations for why he doesn't wear a full facemask. Plenty of them.

"The color yellow" or "the color gold" is not a tactical advantage in any real respect. It doesn't really make sense that he'd want it to be easily seen, or that he himself would need to be able to see it all that well, he'd have learned the belt forward and backward before using it in the field.

And it doesn't really even look right from a fashion standpoint, especially without a yellow oval emblem to balance it out, as there's usually no other yellow on the suit.

Honestly, some of my thoughts on the yellow belt comes down to me just wanting the thing not to look like an eyesore, and for the suit's components to match. I feel ike a man who goes to the trouble of desigining a particular image and then essentially color-coordinating his costume would care enough to do so properly and not just forget to color coordinate part of his outfit just...because.

 

[Boom]

I get it the emblem now and why it's an overly fat Bat it's because the new Batman is been eatting to many cheeseburgers. Seriously I hate the new bat costume. It looks corny and stupid and should be thrown alway.

This movie has to be a joke right. I mean the movie will come out and really be a Superman movie and not yet another Batman movie. Cause at this point it's all about Batman. How about some actually Superman content for those of use who actually like Superman.

This is why I don't want to see the movie and why I will hate it. Batman will steal the show because this is the only character WB knows.

Pretty airtight logic there.

 

[Travesty]

I get it the emblem now and why it's an overly fat Bat it's because the new Batman is been eatting to many cheeseburgers. Seriously I hate the new bat costume. It looks corny and stupid and should be thrown alway.

This movie has to be a joke right. I mean the movie will come out and really be a Superman movie and not yet another Batman movie. Cause at this point it's all about Batman. How about some actually Superman content for those of use who actually like Superman.

This is why I don't want to see the movie and why I will hate it. Batman will steal the show because this is the only character WB knows.

Your Superman stuff will come. They're going to release the Batsuit and WW-suit first, because we already know what the Superman suit looks like. If you want to look at Supes suit, put your MOS DVD in and watch it.

 

[Caekzor]

Can't stop looking at this suit... I love it. I think I'm going to marry it.

 

[roach]

I'm going to laugh when the movie comes and no one likes it and thus seals Justice League fate. Then watch as DC/WB kiss the franchises down the toilet. It will mark my words.

 

[luis4u]

I'm going to laugh when the movie comes and no one likes it and thus seals Justice League fate. Then watch as DC/WB kiss the franchises down the toilet. It will mark my words.

Hey batman and robin, superman 3 and 4, did not stop Warner from making movies ..

 

[Donnie Darko]

I'm going to laugh when the movie comes and no one likes it and thus seals Justice League fate. Then watch as DC/WB kiss the franchises down the toilet. It will mark my words.

Kiss it down the toilet? That doesn't sound sanitary.

 

[roach]

Can't stop looking at this suit... I love it. I think I'm going to marry it.

 

[Doc Ock]

I'm going to laugh when the movie comes and no one likes it and thus seals Justice League fate. Then watch as DC/WB kiss the franchises down the toilet. It will mark my words.

This movie is going to have Batman AND Superman on the same screen together. Something even the GA have wanted for years, regardless of my personal views I really don't think this film is going to fail.

 

[Marvin]

You can keep saying that you're "debunking" things, but that doesn't make it so. Do the supposed pros of a partially exposed face (?), outweigh the cons (easy target [white skin against black costume]). You keep arguing for practicality and tactical advantage of things that aren't necessarily meant to be so.

Difference is, I see pros and I can argue against various cons in one. Not at all the same deal with the yellow belt. You suggested they were equivalent, I'm suggesting one is is a less then perfect attempt at practicality the other is purely artistic.

Again, never said or implied that "nothing on his suit design was anything but aesthetic", but that in addition to some of the comic book practicality, that many of the choices made for the Batman costume are in favour of that "cool" or "badass" aesthetic...

Wow. I had no idea that you were taking my stance THAT literally (which doesn't at all imply that I was "kidding"[?] as you remarked earlier). Did you not read my post on comic book practicality? Sure, Batman has a certain comic book functionality to certain aspects of his costume, but other aspects are there because they are visually interesting/dynamic. Period...

That settles it then, I clearly misread your post. Seemed pretty clear to me what you meant by 'everything' but there is no accounting for either hyperbole or sarcasm or 'kidding'. I try my best. I'm sure some things are there for fun. Such as the yellow belt or the briefs, I just don't agree about the things you listed is all. I also think batman has more practical suits for more practical jobs. Practicality doesn't mean perfect otherwise our local law enforcement would wear far more than a hollow point protective vest and combat boots alone...with a badge on their chest to boot.

From the very beginning of my argument I mentioned subdued bronze/gold/brown as acceptable, grounded substitutes for the comic book "yellow". Never one single time have I asserted that a bright yellow, Burton utility belt would be practical or advantageous in any way- so I don't get why you keep carrying on with that.

You responded to an argument against yellow/gold and suggested they were being in a sense hypocritical. Also, I've personally never seen 'subdued bronze or brown' belt in these movies. If memory serves it may have been the same level of brightness level as the yellow on Cavils S/Belt, hard to say.

From the start I took exception with a comment slamming one tradition in place of a new aesthetic that is actually no more or less redundant/impractical than any of a dozen other things about the character of Batman. You decided to take what I felt was a very clear and succinct comment on the matter very, very literally. Who knows. Anywho, take care. cheers!

From the start I argued all those things are very at least make an attempt or are can be explained within narrative logic. We clearly don't agree. Moreover, changing those things would be a grave departure from the source, whereas the the belt not so much, thus the user's frustration was very much tangible. Anyways, cheers to you too.

 

[Boom]

I'm going to laugh when the movie comes and no one likes it and thus seals Justice League fate. Then watch as DC/WB kiss the franchises down the toilet. It will mark my words.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Those are the exact colors I'm hoping for.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I'm going to laugh when the movie comes and no one likes it and thus seals Justice League fate. Then watch as DC/WB kiss the franchises down the toilet. It will mark my words.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I'm going to laugh when the movie comes and no one likes it and thus seals Justice League fate. Then watch as DC/WB kiss the franchises down the toilet. It will mark my words.

I thought you were done with this movie 5ever.

 

[Lando81]

I get it the emblem now and why it's an overly fat Bat it's because the new Batman is been eatting to many cheeseburgers. Seriously I hate the new bat costume. It looks corny and stupid and should be thrown alway.

This movie has to be a joke right. I mean the movie will come out and really be a Superman movie and not yet another Batman movie. Cause at this point it's all about Batman. How about some actually Superman content for those of use who actually like Superman.

This is why I don't want to see the movie and why I will hate it. Batman will steal the show because this is the only character WB knows.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Can't stop looking at this suit... I love it. I think I'm going to marry it.

 

[Boom]

It's only going to look better in motion and high definition.